Speculation: Armchair GM Thread

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Yes, if you give permission.

(Which is actually a hilarious argument because right now you are reading my script from the argument I had earlier! :D )

I do agree that it's all moot for us anyways, none of our guys are going to be traded.
"Clause: Clauses are additional parameters added to contracts that protect the player in certain transactions. No-Movement Clauses (NMCs) and No-Trade Clauses (NTCs) are negotiated by a player and his representatives to limit the types of transactions that can be performed by the team with respect to that player. Players are only eligible for these clauses in years when they would be eligible for Unrestricted Free Agency (27 years of age or older, or 7 or more accrued seasons).

– An NMC prohibits a team from moving a player by trade, loan or waivers, or assigning that player to the minors without the player’s consent. This keeps the player with the pro team unless that player permits a move by one of these means. An NMC does not restrict a team from buying out or terminating a player’s contract.
– An NTC is less prohibitive, as it only places restrictions on movement by trade. A player with an NTC cannot be traded by a team unless the player provides consent. A Partial or Modified NTC is often less restrictive than a Full NTC, and is defined by the conditions outlined in the player’s contract. Often these NTCs have conditions that give the player the right to provide a list of teams to which the player can or cannot be traded. Many players will have NMCs tied to their contracts with Partial or Modified NTCs. These prevent the team from moving the player via loan or waivers, but give the team options for trading the player."

 
"Clause: Clauses are additional parameters added to contracts that protect the player in certain transactions. No-Movement Clauses (NMCs) and No-Trade Clauses (NTCs) are negotiated by a player and his representatives to limit the types of transactions that can be performed by the team with respect to that player. Players are only eligible for these clauses in years when they would be eligible for Unrestricted Free Agency (27 years of age or older, or 7 or more accrued seasons).

– An NMC prohibits a team from moving a player by trade, loan or waivers, or assigning that player to the minors without the player’s consent. This keeps the player with the pro team unless that player permits a move by one of these means. An NMC does not restrict a team from buying out or terminating a player’s contract.
– An NTC is less prohibitive, as it only places restrictions on movement by trade. A player with an NTC cannot be traded by a team unless the player provides consent. A Partial or Modified NTC is often less restrictive than a Full NTC, and is defined by the conditions outlined in the player’s contract. Often these NTCs have conditions that give the player the right to provide a list of teams to which the player can or cannot be traded. Many players will have NMCs tied to their contracts with Partial or Modified NTCs. These prevent the team from moving the player via loan or waivers, but give the team options for trading the player."

Exactly. You just posted it. An NMC prohibits a team from moving a player BY TRADE, loan or waivers... without the player's consent.... unless that player permits a move by one of these means.

Past that, if the player does permit it, the NTC comes into effect which could give the team options for trading the player. But you can take it up with Barry Trotz if you like, I'm done arguing against my own past arguments here. :D
 
Exactly. You just posted it. An NMC prohibits a team from moving a player BY TRADE, loan or waivers... without the player's consent.... unless that player permits a move by one of these means.

Past that, if the player does permit it, the NTC comes into effect which could give the team options for trading the player. But you can take it up with Barry Trotz if you like, I'm done arguing against my own past arguments here. :D
Not to be rude, but this explicitly says that you are wrong. Reread the last part under the NTC. "Many players will have NMCs tied to their contracts with Partial or Modified NTCs. These prevent the team from moving the player via loan or waivers, but give the team options for trading the player."
 
Not to be rude, but this explicitly says that you are wrong. Reread the last part under the NTC. "Many players will have NMCs tied to their contracts with Partial or Modified NTCs. These prevent the team from moving the player via loan or waivers, but give the team options for trading the player."
Find me the trade where it happens like that, I would be happy to see it, then I could try to retroactively win a bet from somebody. :D
 
No one will ever convince me that Stamkos, Marchessault, Forsberg Josi, O’Reilly and Skjei all just fell off a cliff in regards to production due to age in the exact same season.
I wouldn't say Forsberg and Josi have fell off a cliff I agree. Forsberg has 54 points in 60 games, Josi 38 in 53. I would say average year for Forsberg and a down year for Josi, but certainly not cliff-like. Now Stamkos I do disagree with. I don't care who you are, at some point you are not the player you were 5-10 years ago. How can you watch him out on the ice and not notice his drop in play? I don't consider myself some know-it-all hockey expert but his poor play over the last month has been pretty noticeable.

He is 35 years old and there is no Point or more importantly no Kucherov on this team. He was a passenger last year propped up by his linemates.
With sports you can always be surprised and maybe he will prove me wrong, but I think unless Trotz somehow finds a quality center for him to play with, this version of Stamkos is what we have to look forward to over the next 3 seasons.
 
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... unless Trotz somehow finds a quality center for him to play with, this version of Stamkos is what we have to look forward to over the next 3 seasons.
I think Trotz will be too stubborn to ever try to un-do his own mistakes as ruthlessly as he did Poile's, right? Like, he's not going to send Stamkos retained back to play with Kucherov and Point again, I'm sure. No matter how bad Stamkos gets.

So what I'm ready for is that "this version of Stamkos" is actually THE BEST we'll ever see, and over the next 3 seasons it's only going to get worse and worse. :scared:
 
I wouldn't say Forsberg and Josi have fell off a cliff I agree. Forsberg has 54 points in 60 games, Josi 38 in 53. I would say average year for Forsberg and a down year for Josi, but certainly not cliff-like. Now Stamkos I do disagree with. I don't care who you are, at some point you are not the player you were 5-10 years ago. How can you watch him out on the ice and not notice his drop in play? I don't consider myself some know-it-all hockey expert but his poor play over the last month has been pretty noticeable.

He is 35 years old and there is no Point or more importantly no Kucherov on this team. He was a passenger last year propped up by his linemates.
With sports you can always be surprised and maybe he will prove me wrong, but I think unless Trotz somehow finds a quality center for him to play with, this version of Stamkos is what we have to look forward to over the next 3 seasons.
Stamkos will have a Subban like fall off without a Kucherov glued to him. He should be the main guy we want to see shipped out. He sucks.

We signed and acquired a bunch of vets because of "mUh CUltUrE", and the culture has us looking at a potential lottery pick. These guys are on the other side of the hill. We have one of the oldest rosters in the league. We are looking at a pretty rough 2-3 years minimum unless NoNeck is able to ship out Stamkos (35 years old), Marchessault (34 years old), Josi (35 years old in June and is out with a minimum of his 9th reported concussion). The roster needs a full rebuild.
 
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No one will ever convince me that Stamkos, Marchessault, Forsberg Josi, O’Reilly and Skjei all just fell off a cliff in regards to production due to age in the exact same season.
I don't think that it's the age cliff as much as last year was kinda flukey for them too. Pretty much all of them had career years (or close to it) last year. Wasn't reasonable to expect them to repeat that. They will each likely be more productive next season than this.
 
No one will ever convince me that Stamkos, Marchessault, Forsberg Josi, O’Reilly and Skjei all just fell off a cliff in regards to production due to age in the exact same season.
It wasn't all at one time, more a mix of different things. Stamkos fell off it a couple years back but he could still be productive with how he meshed in Tampa's offense. Josi has increasingly been a one-way d-man for the last several years. Skjei looked better than he is on a stacked team and blueline playing a system that heavily stifles opposing offenses. Forsberg has been up and down his whole career outside of stringing together a few big years recently. Marchy is Marchy, a one-way focused player that will skate hard when he feels like it and let everyone else pick up the slack otherwise.
 
Stamkos will have a Subban like fall off without a Kucherov glued to him. He should be the main guy we want to see shipped out. He sucks.

We signed and acquired a bunch of vets because of "mUh CUltUrE", and the culture has us looking at a potential lottery pick. These guys are on the other side of the hill. We have one of the oldest rosters in the league. We are looking at a pretty rough 2-3 years minimum unless NoNeck is able to ship out Stamkos (35 years old), Marchessault (34 years old), Josi (35 years old in June and is out with a minimum of his 9th reported concussion). The roster needs a full rebuild.
I think the other thing somebody forget to consider when signing "mUh CUltUrE" veterans who are serial winners is... duh... they have ALREADY WON. And they're old. And they have their last big contracts already in hand. Sooooo...

I'm sorry, where is their motivation coming from now? :huh:

Stamkos, Schenn, O'Reilly, Marchessault... I guess they can flash their Stanley Cup rings around in the room (I'm sure they wear them a lot, they don't keep them locked up in a safe somewhere at home) so even if they are "settled" and playing out the string themselves, the rings are going to infect all the other players with extra-hunger to get their own? Not the young players, because we don't have any. And if the AHL tweeners get extra-hungry, that's all well and good, it keeps them in the NHL instead of the AHL maybe, but they don't have the skill to contribute to winning anything.

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The reason he has both is because once he waives the NMC he also needs some from of protection to keep him from going to certain teams. You either wave it or you don't, the NMC technically doesn't have any particulars for certain teams in it.
You have to think that more players will be adding Nashville to their NTCs this offseason. It's hard to see how anyone that could command a NTC out there would want to come here and see their production numbers vanish, both offensively and defensively.
 
Josi is a smart guy. Look for him to either be on LTIR or to decide to retire. I realize that might mean foregoing $27M or so but Josi’s history of contracts equals in excess of $70M. And what is the price of your brain? He’s had his share of these head injuries. What would you do?
 
Josi is a smart guy. Look for him to either be on LTIR or to decide to retire. I realize that might mean foregoing $27M or so but Josi’s history of contracts equals in excess of $70M. And what is the price of your brain? He’s had his share of these head injuries. What would you do?
CTE is no joke. Now that he has started a family, etc., it seems the choice should be obvious.
 
If I was in the same position as Josi I would happily retire with far less than 70m. I do think it's a strong possibility. If his wife is anything like mine, I am not sure it would even be my decision to make.
 
Josi is a smart guy. Look for him to either be on LTIR or to decide to retire. I realize that might mean foregoing $27M or so but Josi’s history of contracts equals in excess of $70M. And what is the price of your brain? He’s had his share of these head injuries. What would you do?
I don’t think with his history he’d have to retire. He should have no trouble justifying LTIRetirement and keep all his money.

I’m not sure what his concussion count was when he signed the contract… I believe it was already quite high… so that could potentially affect Nashville’s coffers if they weren’t able to fully insure it. But either way, Josi himself will still get paid.
 
Yeah if I'm Josi I'm done at this point if it is in fact a concussion (which seems likely). But these athletes are built different, their competitiveness is off the charts.

That said, if he can't bring himself to call it quits, there really isn't any reason to keep going with Nashville. That's a ton of sacrifice just to go through rebuilding years and almost certainly end his career without a Cup. I have no idea what he'll do, but I wouldn't blame him one bit if he asked out, assuming he keeps playing.
 
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