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Zero chance they bring him back, although we do need a net parker like him. He's just too slow.
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Zero chance they bring him back, although we do need a net parker like him. He's just too slow.
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LazyCircuits
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I would let Provorov walk and use his money to bring back Gavrikov before extending Fabbro. With Gudbranson on the third pairing, it should be a stronger d.
Kuraly can walk if we keep Danforth…can’t see us needing both. I really like JVR and would happily extend him for even just for the fourth line. He can always play up the line up for a period if Chinakov is injured..
If we want an extra top nine winger, I am seriously tempted by Chris Kreider.
The Rangers are a clown show and I can’t help but imagine him rebound a little even as a 20 goal scorer on a line with Sillinger and Boone I would take the risk for two years. I imagine they would retain to shift him so the price is good for a guy with playoff experience.
Goalies: Elvis is told clearly he is Jet’s backup. Either he accepts and we see if we get an improvement or he runs to Switzerland and we save money with a vet like Jake Allen
Vronk Monahan Kirill
Chinny Mo KJ
Boone Silly Kreider
JVR Danforth Olivier
ZAR
Z Fabbro
Denton Gav
Christiansen Gudbranson
Severson
Jet
Elvis
Kuraly can walk if we keep Danforth…can’t see us needing both. I really like JVR and would happily extend him for even just for the fourth line. He can always play up the line up for a period if Chinakov is injured..
If we want an extra top nine winger, I am seriously tempted by Chris Kreider.
The Rangers are a clown show and I can’t help but imagine him rebound a little even as a 20 goal scorer on a line with Sillinger and Boone I would take the risk for two years. I imagine they would retain to shift him so the price is good for a guy with playoff experience.
Goalies: Elvis is told clearly he is Jet’s backup. Either he accepts and we see if we get an improvement or he runs to Switzerland and we save money with a vet like Jake Allen
Vronk Monahan Kirill
Chinny Mo KJ
Boone Silly Kreider
JVR Danforth Olivier
ZAR
Z Fabbro
Denton Gav
Christiansen Gudbranson
Severson
Jet
Elvis
Xoggz22
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Not if they go scortched earth and four 1sts or something a little more palatable of a 1st and 3rd. There are options without the 2nd and getting the 2nd back doesn't assure you of getting a player on an offer sheet. It would be a huge risk and waste of assets in my opinion. That is...if we're getting our 2nd just to OS someone (that can be matched by the original team). I'm all for an OS, but not fot spending assets to get the 2nd back just to hope to do it.
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Slow but 16 goals and veteran leadership that needs replaced. I think his biggest asset was his locker room presence even though he didn't wear a letter.
Xoggz22
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Given the state of the Bruins, my target would be Charlie McAvoy. He and Z on the top pair and Fabbro and Mateychuk on the 2nd pair would be a huge upgrade and a very high end top 4. I have to believe Boston could be considering a rebuild. He's coming off injury but is signed through 2030 and is only 27. Fits the core, fits the need and I have to think CBJ has assets to land him with our picks and prospects. That's a guy I would include a player like Chinakhov for (although being honest, I'm a big Chinakhov fan, but the best ability is availability and he's not been able to stay healthy - also a snag to the deal I suspect).
I don't like to make sepculative trade offers so I'll just point to our asset pool that would be enticing and could still offer a roster player. Maybe even off set the cost with inclusion of Severson but increase the asset take.
Xoggz22
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Kuraly, Danforth and/or JVR to return. There is likely 4 or more spots to fill up front. Without assuming moving any players under contract here's what I think we have coming back on guaranteed NHL contracts (no particular order):
Forwards:
Monahan
Fantilli
Marchenko
Voronkov
Chinakhov
Sillinger
Jenner
Johnson
Olivier
ZAR
Unsigned: Danforth, Kuraly, JVR, (the others I see no way of returning)
All three represent veteran leadership and none of them would be a high cost player to retain. I think Kuraly is the most likely, but I could see any one or two returning. I wouldn't expect all three. They can keep 14 forwards and all three of these guys (and ZAR) could be considered in your "extra forward" group, but can play a role and be a leader. IN addition, it's unlikely everyone under contract returns as well.
Just some food for thought.
Forwards:
Monahan
Fantilli
Marchenko
Voronkov
Chinakhov
Sillinger
Jenner
Johnson
Olivier
ZAR
Unsigned: Danforth, Kuraly, JVR, (the others I see no way of returning)
All three represent veteran leadership and none of them would be a high cost player to retain. I think Kuraly is the most likely, but I could see any one or two returning. I wouldn't expect all three. They can keep 14 forwards and all three of these guys (and ZAR) could be considered in your "extra forward" group, but can play a role and be a leader. IN addition, it's unlikely everyone under contract returns as well.
Just some food for thought.
I think offering Provorov a long-term deal (>3 years) now should imply at least one of the following:
a) Waddell is not convinced Mateychuk will be a real top-4 D on a contender, maybe not even a core piece
b) Waddell is not convinced Fabbro will be a long-term top-4 D
c) Waddell's view on how to build a strong and balanced d-core differs a lot from my view
I don't think we're ever going to have much success with 2nd D pair of Mateychuk-Provorov, even if Werenski's partner was a total package. The top-4 lacks a guy with size, long wingspan and brilliant defensive IQ. A defenseman who can kill the opponent's cycle quicker than either of those two and also move the puck at least almost as efficiently as they do. Handedness of the player isn't that relevant to me, especially if he's capable of playing on his off-side (Gavrikov for example).
So no, I don't think Pionk, Rasmussen or Dobson are the type of D we really need. Gavrikov however feels like an obvious target, maybe Pelech and K'Andre Miller too.
I would like to see a similar type rangier D in our bottom pair in not too distant future. Maybe we already have someone in the system who will fill that role (Richard, MacDonald, Hunt...?) eventually but will any of them be ready once Gudbranson leaves? Maybe a stopgap will be needed. Or a promising D prospect from another organisation (I have used LDs Ethan Del Mastro and Tyson Hinds as examples before, can't think of an RD equivalent right now).
And as a small side comment regarding the defense, I'm going to repeat what I've said many times before: I think Mateychuk's puckhandling still needs work, I honestly cannot think of an aspect or weakness that's holding him back developmentally more than that. This year I've heard comparisons to Werenski from CBJ reporters but I don't like that because I see a clear difference in speed and ability to pick up pucks off the boards and clearing or giving an easy pass to a teammate, dangling, shot release etc. Hopefully his puck skills will get better with training and improved skating ability but seriously should also consider experimenting with different sticks like Werenski did.
a) Waddell is not convinced Mateychuk will be a real top-4 D on a contender, maybe not even a core piece
b) Waddell is not convinced Fabbro will be a long-term top-4 D
c) Waddell's view on how to build a strong and balanced d-core differs a lot from my view
I don't think we're ever going to have much success with 2nd D pair of Mateychuk-Provorov, even if Werenski's partner was a total package. The top-4 lacks a guy with size, long wingspan and brilliant defensive IQ. A defenseman who can kill the opponent's cycle quicker than either of those two and also move the puck at least almost as efficiently as they do. Handedness of the player isn't that relevant to me, especially if he's capable of playing on his off-side (Gavrikov for example).
So no, I don't think Pionk, Rasmussen or Dobson are the type of D we really need. Gavrikov however feels like an obvious target, maybe Pelech and K'Andre Miller too.
I would like to see a similar type rangier D in our bottom pair in not too distant future. Maybe we already have someone in the system who will fill that role (Richard, MacDonald, Hunt...?) eventually but will any of them be ready once Gudbranson leaves? Maybe a stopgap will be needed. Or a promising D prospect from another organisation (I have used LDs Ethan Del Mastro and Tyson Hinds as examples before, can't think of an RD equivalent right now).
And as a small side comment regarding the defense, I'm going to repeat what I've said many times before: I think Mateychuk's puckhandling still needs work, I honestly cannot think of an aspect or weakness that's holding him back developmentally more than that. This year I've heard comparisons to Werenski from CBJ reporters but I don't like that because I see a clear difference in speed and ability to pick up pucks off the boards and clearing or giving an easy pass to a teammate, dangling, shot release etc. Hopefully his puck skills will get better with training and improved skating ability but seriously should also consider experimenting with different sticks like Werenski did.
It could also imply the cost to acquire players is high right now and they could prefer to have Provorov vs being left with no additions. Might explain why he hasn't been in a rush to sign the player and it's almost a case I'll do it but I'm going to look elsewhere first.
This and everyone has money available so we'll see if Waddell can get creative and outbid others as many teams need to revamp their defense
I think if we had drafted Demidov, we might be able to pull off a McAvoy trade. We could then offer a package along the likes of Demidov, CBJ 2025 1st, Minnesota 2025 1st, and Marrelli. I think that could be very tempting for a team going into a rebuild. They could tank for a couple of seasons. There is a right D in 2027 that might just be worth tanking for - Landon DuPont.
Doesn't explain his entire season but still a wild thing to push through. Meanwhile guys like Laine leave a game after 3 hits 
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here's where i see things heading into the offseason
lines:
boeser isn't my top choice, but feels realistic and fits their needs relatively well. these lines fit dean's MO as they'd have two clear scoring lines and two clear shutdown lines, both of which would be up-leveled from last season.
i do think there's going to be a market for severson – vancouver was connected to him earlier and marcus pettersson would be an ideal partner for him. maybe i'm shooting too high on the hoglander return, but the jackets were connected to him earlier this season.
will probably get some pushback on the dobson idea, but imo he and mateychuk would be a very nice pair in the long run. dobson may not be the pure shutdown type many here want, but mateychuk has a lot of gus forsling in his game and they'd be the cbj answer to what florida had in forsling-montour for a while, or perhaps a rebuilt version of the werenski-jones pair of yesteryear.
i really like the idea of flexing their short-term cap space to build an effective veteran pair around orlov and dumba. would help some of their PK woes and take the pressure off of mateychuk. in fact, orlov could play with dobson if they want to let denton cut loose in sheltered minutes.
they'd still have some cap to play around with – a reunion with nyquist (bumping hoglander or olivier down to the fourth line) would also make a lot of sense. he'd be a good PP2 bumper and help in the room and on the PK.
- primary needs:
- one top four defenseman (ideally RH)
- top six F (ideally RH)
- veteran goalie
- secondary needs:
- at least one additional defenseman (ideally good on the PK)
- middle six wing (either pacey forechecker or savvy play-connector)
- address primary needs with:
- one big FA signing
- one big trade
- one short-term FA signing
- address secondary needs with:
- low-cost change-of-scenery trade (s)
- above-market AAV short-term UFA signing(s)
- re-signings:
- dante fabbro - 4.75x4
- justin danforth – 2x2
- dmitry voronkov – 5.5x3
- trades
- noah dobson in exchange for cole sillinger, luca marrelli, MIN 2025 1st and CBJ 2026 1st (top-5 prot.)
- nils hoglander for damon severson + assorted future picks (assuming VAN struggles to sign willander and/or trades his rights for a forward)
- matt dumba for a late-round pick
- UFA haul
- RW brock boeser – a younger, up-leveled version of what JVR brought this year, great in the room, good play-connector, elite shot, elite netfront PP guy.
- LD dmitry orlov – two-year deal at above market AAV – would be insurance in case mateychuk struggles, helps the PK, and can play up as needed. is a guy who waddell has a history with
- G jake allen – timeshare in net with jet
- C/RW nick bjugstad – short-term deal at above-market AAV – can reinforce the identity line, win face-offs, etc.
- other moves:
- buyout elvis, trade chinakhov for a couple picks (unpopular, but clearly the FO is ready to move on)
lines:
voronkov - monahan - marchenko
johnson - fantilli - boeser
hoglander - jenner - olivier
ZAR - bjugstad - danforth
werenski - fabbro
mateychuk - dobson
orlov - dumba
allen
greaves
boeser isn't my top choice, but feels realistic and fits their needs relatively well. these lines fit dean's MO as they'd have two clear scoring lines and two clear shutdown lines, both of which would be up-leveled from last season.
i do think there's going to be a market for severson – vancouver was connected to him earlier and marcus pettersson would be an ideal partner for him. maybe i'm shooting too high on the hoglander return, but the jackets were connected to him earlier this season.
will probably get some pushback on the dobson idea, but imo he and mateychuk would be a very nice pair in the long run. dobson may not be the pure shutdown type many here want, but mateychuk has a lot of gus forsling in his game and they'd be the cbj answer to what florida had in forsling-montour for a while, or perhaps a rebuilt version of the werenski-jones pair of yesteryear.
i really like the idea of flexing their short-term cap space to build an effective veteran pair around orlov and dumba. would help some of their PK woes and take the pressure off of mateychuk. in fact, orlov could play with dobson if they want to let denton cut loose in sheltered minutes.
they'd still have some cap to play around with – a reunion with nyquist (bumping hoglander or olivier down to the fourth line) would also make a lot of sense. he'd be a good PP2 bumper and help in the room and on the PK.
It's obviously a nice lineup if all of that breaks our way.
- I would say a top six F is not a primary need for us. We can upgrade but we're starting from the position of being f'ing loaded. #1 5v5 offense in the NHL.
- What are you paying those UFAs? I suppose it's possible that all of Boeser's warts are fully priced in, but most likely with all of the clubs needing to sign someone (and more desperate for offense than we are) he will get paid beyond reason.
- Which of the D get to play on the PP?
- It's a good roster but just odd from a priorities perspective. We need a play stopper on the backend and a massive improvement to the overall team defense. And you went out and got us an expensive one way forward and an expensive PP QB. Is this for a video game, by chance?
Internally it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that LDBB is competing for a spot next season if he isn't moved in a bigger deal
Our 2nd pair Mateychuk-Provorov 537 minutes together xGoals% 42%, xGoals for per 60 = 1.91 and xGoals against per 60 = 2.64.
So basically a negative d-pair.
Just something to think about.
So basically a negative d-pair.
Just something to think about.
Provorov has been playing on his off-side because Severson has consistently underperformed, and Mateychuk was elevated to a pair higher than he’s probably ready for — ideally, he should be on the third pair for at least another season.
So I’ll ask again: which free agent RD is realistically available to slot into the top four? Spoiler — there isn’t one. The trade market might have a few options, but they’ll come at a steep price. I’m not saying we shouldn’t explore it, but if it were up to me, I’d prioritize moving Severson and try to re-sign Gavrikov, even if it means having him play on his off side. That said, it’s a gamble — chasing Gavrikov could backfire and cost you Provorov if it doesn’t work out.
So sign Provy(Fabbro as well) and try to acquire Gavy to play top 4RD on 2nd pair and Provy back to his natural position. Play Maty on 3rd pair.
That means any injuries you have guys that can play either side on your 2nd pair
Werenski Fabbro
Provorov Gavrikov
Mateychuk ????? But no Severson (work on getting rid of him)
As for forwards I would resign Danforth, JVR and Kuraly (all to 1 yr deals). Lock up Fantilli and Voronkov.
So forwards would be
Voronkov - Monahan - Marchenko
Boesner - Fantilli - KJ
Jenner - Sillinger - Chinakhov
Danforth - Kuraly - Olivier
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Carolina is interesting. They have Brent Burns on their top pair. Sean Walker and Jalen Chatfield are both sort of 2nd pair right Ds. Scott Morrow is probably ready for the NHL. Walker just completed the first year of a five year contract. Burns is UFA but I could see him chasing a Cup and extending in Carolina. Chatfield is a more defensive minded guy who is my new Matt Roy - unappreciated solid right D that would help the Jackets. He kills penalties. I make a decent offer for him. Not one that will kill us but one that is a win for both teams. LDBB? A first and Marrelli?
Werenski - Fabbro
Mateychuk- Chatfield
free agent LD with size / Hunt - Severson / Gudbranson
Part of me thinks we will make 1 major move (maybe a veteran forward who does good zone entries) and a couple of smaller moves and try to keep the team pretty much intact. Chatfield fits that model.
Matt Murray had a good AHL season and he is a UFA. 10-5-6 1.72 goals against save percentage. If we are looking for a vet to play in Cleveland who could be our third goalie he is an interesting option. Maybe he’ll do better in a market where he gets less scrutiny than Pittsburgh chasing Cups or Canada. @Viqsi - do not confuse him with the Admirals goalie also named Matt Murray who has also had a really good AHL season.
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I was watching a Caps game and they listed all of the players who had career seasons this year and the list was lengthy. They'll still be good, but I think they're passable.
I don’t think Chatfield is a realistic option. He’s only in the first year of a three-year deal at $3 million per season, and for a cost-controlled top-4 RD, that’s exactly the kind of player teams hold onto.
Yes but they have Morrow ready to go. And he is also cost controlled. I wanted Morrow in his draft year. i would trade for him if possible, but I think that is less likely.
Yes but cost controlled LDBB has to be tempting? Maybe we could work a crazy trade with Kotkaniemi and Severson too.
Morrow or Chatfield / Kotkaniemi for LDBB / Severson / pick
When referring to league average for our goalies; to me that sounds like middle of the pack and mediocre. We have to do a lot better than that.
I would argue that LDBB may be better than Silly as a 3rd line center
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