Speculation: Armchair GM 2024-25 Season, Craig Conroy's Can Do Calgary Flames

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Eating almost 8 million of cap space was worth a 23 year old winger prospect who at best projects as a bottom 6er and the rights to a 24 year old defensive prospect playing in Europe after 4 seasons in North America (where he managed to only get 50 games on Arizona's rather lackluster D-corps). Other teams eating smaller amounts of cap only getting 4th and 5th round picks out of it. If we had last years UFA's in this years market, we probably would have managed to get like 3-4 firsts out of the deal, our UFA's this year amounted to guys who would fetch a 5th or so. Kadri, Ras, and Coleman all have another year (or more in Kadri's case) and if they get moved, probably in the summer or next season.
Weaponizing cap space is about actual cost of money. Weber's contract is almost certainly fully insured or Arizona never would have taken it on in the first place. Utah dumped it because they didn't want to operate in LTIR next year
 
Weaponizing cap space is about actual cost of money. Weber's contract is almost certainly fully insured or Arizona never would have taken it on in the first place. Utah dumped it because they didn't want to operate in LTIR next year
It's also prudent to note that Weber's contract was MASSIVELY front loaded. When AZ took on the contract his annual salary was down to 3m (and most of that had been paid already) and since then the annual salary has dropped to 1m. Vegas is the only team that took on is contract that paid any real amount of money to Weber.
 
Good call on the Farabee comparable to Zary. There’s also the fact that Conny apparently had Adams on the line re: Cozens into the final hour, but Zary was an absolute no-go for him. I was more or less just trying to use some general figures to show how quickly all that cap can disappear just by re-signing our own guys, and you proved my point for me better than I even could lol

So let’s just say with the cap going up:
Frosty 1 x $3M
Zary 2 x $5
Coro 2 x $4M
Bahl 6 x $5.5M

That’s already like $13M of your $18M, without the $4-5M Wolfy gets on his bridge. Not much left after that for a big fish, but then you also have a few guys coming off the books year after next (i.e. Backs, Lombo, Bean, Miro)
With every signing you listed inputted, Calgary still has $17.8M in cap space next season according to Puckpedia with the following starting roster left to fill out:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Coronato (4)
Farabee-Backlund-Coleman
Zary (5)-Frost (3)-Sharangovich
Lomberg-Pospisil-X
X
Bahl (5.5)-Andersson
Parekh-Weegar
Bean-Pachal
Miromanov-X

Wolf
Cooley

An additional 18 million in cap space added the year after that as well, and that’s before another projected 7-10 million jump in the cap. Calgary has insane amounts of room regardless of what we sign our own players to.
 
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In regards to weaponizing cap space, we also have to remember this team has never been fond of paying guys to play elsewhere.

For a long time they didn't like buyouts or burying guys in the minors.... then it was salary retention... they're slowly accepting these things are part of the game...

maybe in the future we'll retain in a trade where we're not a major part of the deal, but it'll be a slow process and will start with a smaller amount on an expiring deal....

but essentially buying picks that are usually 4th round or later may be a hard sell since most of those guys never step foot in the NHL.
 
The deadline is just one opportunity to make trades. Doesn't mean they're for sure extending Ras or keeping Coleman and Kadri for the duration of their contracts. Would have been a real dumb move anyway to try to sell, even with some of the returns yesterday. None of the vets or any of the other assets we'd be looking to sell are having particularly good years numbers wise. Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar have for the most part been solid but they've had their off months too. Also not a very good message to the room to sell non UFA important vets while you're in a playoff spot, feelings should be secondary but that doesn't mean you disregard them entirely.

Wish they could have offloaded Miromanov or Rooney but it is what it is. Nobody wants these guys. As far as the cap space goes of course the first year in forever the Flames have a ton to burn and the league announces a huge jump the next 3 years. Said it in the deadline thread, Flames have perpetually terrible timing.
 
With every signing you listed inputted, Calgary still has $17.8M in cap space next season according to Puckpedia with the following starting roster left to fill out:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Coronato (4)
Farabee-Backlund-Coleman
Zary (5)-Frost (3)-Sharangovich
Lomberg-Pospisil-X
X
Bahl (5.5)-Andersson
Parekh-Weegar
Bean-Pachal
Miromanov-X

Wolf
Cooley

An additional 18 million in cap space added the year after that as well, and that’s before another projected 7-10 million jump in the cap. Calgary has insane amounts of room regardless of what we sign our own players to.

I’m not sure if the guys on LTIR count towards our cap, but I didn’t take into account Mantha, Rooney, Kirkland, Hanley, and Vladar coming off the books, and that’s about $9M. My example was assuming our current roster model would remain intact (i.e. adding players at “x” places in the lineup for the same amount total as we’re already paying) and simply adding the amounts I listed. In any case, if Conny doesn’t land a big fish (i.e. Marner), that cap will still be there should an opportunity to act as a broker arise next year. Just because we have the cap, doesn’t mean it has to burn a hole in the pocket lol
 
I’m not sure if the guys on LTIR count towards our cap, but I didn’t take into account Mantha, Rooney, Kirkland, Hanley, and Vladar coming off the books, and that’s about $9M. My example was assuming our current roster model would remain intact (i.e. adding players at “x” places in the lineup for the same amount total as we’re already paying) and simply the amounts I listed. In any case, if Conny doesn’t land a big fish (i.e. Marner), that cap will still be there should an opportunity to act as a broker arise next year. Just because we have the cap, doesn’t mean it has to burn a hole in the pocket lol
Yes, LTIR counts against the cap. LTIR is only a tool that allows teams to exceed the cap when there are long-term injuries, so they can bring in replacements
 
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Weaponizing cap space is about actual cost of money. Weber's contract is almost certainly fully insured or Arizona never would have taken it on in the first place. Utah dumped it because they didn't want to operate in LTIR next year
It's still 8 million against the cap next year, when we have to re-sign or extend Zary, Wolf, Coronato, Frost, and Bahl. We also have Kirkland, Rooney, Mantha coming off, which means we only have 11 forwards after the re-sign/extended group. Realistically one or maybe two prospects come up, so that's fine. We also have Hanley and Vladar coming off, which means we need a goaltender and a D coming up. D should be okay, realistically we sign one second pairing D, and call up one of the younger guys so we can keep Bean and Miro as 7th/8th. And we 100% need a goaltender somewhere (unless y'all really think Cooley/Murphy/Ignatiew are NHL ready, which I do not). 8 mil really hinders that ability, especially if we try for longer term contracts on guys like Zary/Wolf/Coronato instead of bridge deals.
 
It's still 8 million against the cap next year, when we have to re-sign or extend Zary, Wolf, Coronato, Frost, and Bahl. We also have Kirkland, Rooney, Mantha coming off, which means we only have 11 forwards after the re-sign/extended group. Realistically one or maybe two prospects come up, so that's fine. We also have Hanley and Vladar coming off, which means we need a goaltender and a D coming up. D should be okay, realistically we sign one second pairing D, and call up one of the younger guys so we can keep Bean and Miro as 7th/8th. And we 100% need a goaltender somewhere (unless y'all really think Cooley/Murphy/Ignatiew are NHL ready, which I do not). 8 mil really hinders that ability, especially if we try for longer term contracts on guys like Zary/Wolf/Coronato instead of bridge deals.

Jonathan Quick is UFA at the end of the season, and although he is no spring chicken anymore, would still give us 20 or so decent starts and was basically Wolfy’s hero growing up. We should be able to sign him for $1Mish to let Wolfy pick his brain for a season.
 
It's still 8 million against the cap next year, when we have to re-sign or extend Zary, Wolf, Coronato, Frost, and Bahl. We also have Kirkland, Rooney, Mantha coming off, which means we only have 11 forwards after the re-sign/extended group. Realistically one or maybe two prospects come up, so that's fine. We also have Hanley and Vladar coming off, which means we need a goaltender and a D coming up. D should be okay, realistically we sign one second pairing D, and call up one of the younger guys so we can keep Bean and Miro as 7th/8th. And we 100% need a goaltender somewhere (unless y'all really think Cooley/Murphy/Ignatiew are NHL ready, which I do not). 8 mil really hinders that ability, especially if we try for longer term contracts on guys like Zary/Wolf/Coronato instead of bridge deals.
I think we are on the same page. I don't think Calgary was interested in taking on Weber's contract. I do think it made a lot of sense for Chicago to take on since it helps them reach the floor.
 
It's still 8 million against the cap next year, when we have to re-sign or extend Zary, Wolf, Coronato, Frost, and Bahl. We also have Kirkland, Rooney, Mantha coming off, which means we only have 11 forwards after the re-sign/extended group. Realistically one or maybe two prospects come up, so that's fine. We also have Hanley and Vladar coming off, which means we need a goaltender and a D coming up. D should be okay, realistically we sign one second pairing D, and call up one of the younger guys so we can keep Bean and Miro as 7th/8th. And we 100% need a goaltender somewhere (unless y'all really think Cooley/Murphy/Ignatiew are NHL ready, which I do not). 8 mil really hinders that ability, especially if we try for longer term contracts on guys like Zary/Wolf/Coronato instead of bridge deals.
I'm not typing this to agree or disagree. Just putting numbers out there for everyone to see. RFA/UFA estimates are in red.

LEFT WNGCENTERRIGHT WINGCAP FOR LINE
Huberdeau
10,500,000
Kadri
7,000,000
Coronato
EST: 4,000,000
SIGNED: 17,500,00
INCL EST: 21,500,000
Zary
EST: 6,000,000
Frost
EST: 6,000,000
Sharangovich
5,750.000
SIGNED: 5,750,000
INCL EST: 17,750,000
Farabee
5,000,000
Backlund
4,500,000
Coleman
4,900,000
SIGNED: 14,400,000
Lomberg
2,000,000
???
EST: 2,000,000
Pospisil
1,000,000
SIGNED 3,000,000
INCL EST: 5,000,000


LFET DEFENSERIGHT DEFENSECAP FOR PAIR
???
EST: 6,000,000
Weegar
6,250,000
SIGNED: 6,250,000
INCL EST: 12,250,000
Bahl
EST: 5,000,000
Andersson
4,460,000
SIGNED: 4,460,000
INCL EST: 9,460,000
???
EST: 2,000,000
Pachal
1,187,500
SIGNED: 1,187,500
INCL EST: 3,187,500

EXTRA SKATEREXTRA SKATEREXTRA SKATERTOTAL CAP
Klapka
EST: 1,000,000
Miromanov
1,250,000
???
EST: 1,500,000
SIGNED: 1,250,000
INCL EST: 3,750,000

STARTERBACKUPTOTAL CAP
Wolf
850,000
???
EST: 3,000,000
SIGNED: 850,000
INCL EST: 3,850,000

Cap for Forwards (11/12, 3 RFA): SIGNED: 40,650,000 ----- INCL EST: 58,650,000
Cap for Defensemen (4/6, 1 RFA): SIGNED: 11,897,500 ----- INCL EST: 24,897,500
Cap for Extra Skaters (2/3, 1 RFA): SIGNED: 1,250,000 ----- INCL EST: 3,750,000
Cap for Goaltenders (1/2, 0 RFA): SIGNED: 850,000 ----- INCL EST: 3,850,000
Total Cap (19/23, 5 RFA): SIGNED: 54,647,500 ----- INCL EST: 91,147,500
Upper Limit: $95,500,000

Cap Space (19/23, 3 RFA): SIGNED: 40,852,500 ----- INCL EST: 4,352,500

So, being conservative for UFAs (not big game hunting) we could easily have less than 5m in space.
 
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With every signing you listed inputted, Calgary still has $17.8M in cap space next season according to Puckpedia with the following starting roster left to fill out:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Coronato (4)
Farabee-Backlund-Coleman
Zary (5)-Frost (3)-Sharangovich
Lomberg-Pospisil-X
X
Bahl (5.5)-Andersson
Parekh-Weegar
Bean-Pachal
Miromanov-X

Wolf
Cooley

An additional 18 million in cap space added the year after that as well, and that’s before another projected 7-10 million jump in the cap. Calgary has insane amounts of room regardless of what we sign our own players to.
Means we go go big game hunting in the off season if we want to. Not saying we will, but the flexibility is there to do it.
 
Means we go go big game hunting in the off season if we want to. Not saying we will, but the flexibility is there to do it.
Think we are at the point where we have to honestly. We have players like Frost and Farabee who have shown flashes, and will probably be more productive with a training camp under their belt. Don’t think many people believe Zary is going to continue to be a 40 point player. Coronato and Wolf could have sophomore slumps, but they could just as easily build on their rookie seasons. The only UFA of value we have next year is Andersson, but selling him off is putting all our eggs in one basket as our plethora of defense prospects will likely replace a good portion of his value as soon as 2026-27.

While I disagree, a large portion of this fan base believes Wolf is the only reason we aren’t a bottom 5 team. By that logic he would have to fall off a cliff with no improvements in any other area of our roster for us to get that illustrious top 3 pick and a passable chance at a 1C. We are likely at the point where our best chance at elite talent is through free agency and collecting assets for trades than the draft.

The Dallas model has never looked better than after the trade deadline. Rantanen walks on to that roster as the best forward by a county mile, and they’re my favorite to win the cup at this point. Their 1st, 3rd, and 5th leading scorer were acquired by trade and free agency, and their highest pick they used on their entire forward core was 23rd. Yet they look like they have the most lethal top down offense in the league.
 
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I'm not typing this to agree or disagree. Just putting numbers out there for everyone to see. RFA/UFA estimates are in red.

LEFT WNGCENTERRIGHT WINGCAP FOR LINE
Huberdeau
10,500,000
Kadri
7,000,000
Coronato
EST: 4,000,000
SIGNED: 17,500,00
INCL EST: 21,500,000
Zary
EST: 6,000,000
Frost
EST: 6,000,000
Sharangovich
5,750.000
SIGNED: 5,750,000
INCL EST: 17,750,000
Farabee
5,000,000
Backlund
4,500,000
Coleman
4,900,000
SIGNED: 14,400,000
Lomberg
2,000,000
???
EST: 2,000,000
Pospisil
1,000,000
SIGNED 3,000,000
INCL EST: 5,000,000


LFET DEFENSERIGHT DEFENSECAP FOR PAIR
???
EST: 6,000,000
Weegar
6,250,000
SIGNED: 6,250,000
INCL EST: 12,250,000
Bahl
EST: 5,000,000
Andersson
4,460,000
SIGNED: 4,460,000
INCL EST: 9,460,000
???
EST: 2,000,000
Pachal
1,187,500
SIGNED: 1,187,500
INCL EST: 3,187,500

EXTRA SKATEREXTRA SKATEREXTRA SKATERTOTAL CAP
Klapka
EST: 1,000,000
Miromanov
1,250,000
???
EST: 1,500,000
SIGNED: 1,250,000
INCL EST: 3,750,000

STARTERBACKUPTOTAL CAP
Wolf
850,000
???
EST: 3,000,000
SIGNED: 850,000
INCL EST: 3,850,000

Cap for Forwards (11/12, 3 RFA): SIGNED: 40,650,000 ----- INCL EST: 58,650,000
Cap for Defensemen (4/6, 1 RFA): SIGNED: 11,897,500 ----- INCL EST: 24,897,500
Cap for Extra Skaters (2/3, 1 RFA): SIGNED: 1,250,000 ----- INCL EST: 3,750,000
Cap for Goaltenders (1/2, 0 RFA): SIGNED: 850,000 ----- INCL EST: 3,850,000
Total Cap (19/23, 5 RFA): SIGNED: 54,647,500 ----- INCL EST: 91,147,500
Upper Limit: $95,500,000

Cap Space (19/23, 3 RFA): SIGNED: 40,852,500 ----- INCL EST: 4,352,500

So, being conservative for UFAs (not big game hunting) we could easily have less than 5m in space.
13M in UFA signings is not conservative.
 
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The fact that people still pretend the Dallas model has anything to do with what the Flames are doing is nuts. We are missing massive amounts of what they have had to build a non-winning, questionable contending team.

I get people want to use it to keep up the delusion that the Flames can build a contender this way but it is nuts.
 
13M in UFA signings is not conservative.
It's 14.5m actually, but I get it, math is hard.

And how is 14.5m for 5 players not conservative? The average NHL salary in 2023-24 was just shy of 3.5m. And the biggest amount I had would only be enough money for a 2nd pair defenseman.

So please tell me again how 5 players totalling 3m less than the league average for last season is not conservative.
 
It's 14.5m actually, but I get it, math is hard.

And how is 14.5m for 5 players not conservative? The average NHL salary in 2023-24 was just shy of 3.5m. And the biggest amount I had would only be enough money for a 2nd pair defenseman.

So please tell me again how 5 players totalling 3m less than the league average for last season is not conservative.
I didn't include the extra skater (1.5M)

It's not conservative because that's more than most teams add in unrestricted free agency every year. You spent 8.5M on 4 positions that are usually filled with ~4M worth of cap hits.
 
I didn't include the extra skater (1.5M)

It's not conservative because that's more than most teams add in unrestricted free agency every year. You spent 8.5M on 4 positions that are usually filled with ~4M worth of cap hits.
Again, it was mostly about not targeting expensive players. But you are too busy being pedantic and trying to argue over literally nothing.

And when you are estimating cap usage... guessing higher is being conservative Einstein.

I also never said they all had to be UFAs, you just made that assumption.
 
Again, it was mostly about not targeting expensive players. But you are too busy being pedantic and trying to argue over literally nothing.

And when you are estimating cap usage... guessing higher is being conservative Einstein.

I also never said they all had to be UFAs, you just made that assumption.
Why are you being so aggressive? All I'm doing is saying spending 14.5M on UFA's is not conservative. That is a fairly aggressive free agency. We can move on if this is a simple misunderstanding
 
Why are you being so aggressive? All I'm doing is saying spending 14.5M on UFA's is not conservative. That is a fairly aggressive free agency. We can move on if this is a simple misunderstanding
I really think you need to move past 2010. 14.5m is a pretty average summer these days. Boston gave Zadorov and Lindholm almost 13m. Nashville who was aggressive spent over 20m on just 3 guys. Hell even we spent over 7m on Mantha, Lomberg and Bean and were one of the least active teams.
 

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