Confirmed Signing with Link: Arizona signs Jakob Chychrun to ELC

[rt]

Chances Chychron plays this season?

For Arizona? 0%

 

[Spitfire11]

They were smart just like with Fowler too.

Gudbranson and McIlrath were the only D drafted before Fowler. Everyone knew Mc was a dumb pick, but the Rangers wanted toughness. There isn't much of an argument here, teams didn't want to go defense so he dropped. In Chychrun's case there's 4 teams that took D over him (5 if you want to consider Detroit dropping the pick). His fall is more akin to those of Esposito or Schremp which the scouts weren't wrong about.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Gudbranson and McIlrath were the only D drafted before Fowler. Everyone knew Mc was a dumb pick, but the Rangers wanted toughness. There isn't much of an argument here, teams didn't want to go defense so he dropped. In Chychrun's case there's 4 teams that took D over him (5 if you want to consider Detroit dropping the pick). His fall is more akin to those of Esposito or Schremp which the scouts weren't wrong about.

So you list 2 teams picking dman ahead of Fowler and then proceed to discount the fact that it happened lol? Then you find a reason to add another team in Detroit for passing on Chych.

The bottom line is teams passed on both players whether they took a forward, dman or goalie, those are the facts. Chychrun before the season started was talked about as being a top 4 pick. His stock really began to fall towards the end of the season and even further after the U18's. All of this argumentative, but my mind will not change that this is a classic case of overscouting.

Chychrun has all the tools to be an elite dman. If thinking the game is a legit concern, well that's why you spend the necessary time to develop your players and not rush them. He also has a guy like OEL who can shelter him and show him the ropes.

 

[M2Beezy]

I have a question why do some recent picks sign to ELCs and others no? Is it cause there expected to make the big team in october or am i missing something here? Thanks

 

[Treb]

I have a question why do some recent picks sign to ELCs and others no? Is it cause there expected to make the big team in october or am i missing something here? Thanks

Some teams want to give those picks the signing bonus now. The two reasons are the player get money and is happy (also cannot go the Erixon way and ask for a trade or re-enter the draft) and something about the bonuses cap hit being more spread out over the year IIRC. The contract will slide anyway if they don't make the
NHL (and won't count on the 50 limit if they are sent back to junior before playing 10 NHL games). It's a good strategy when you're sure you're gonna offer him a contract eventually anyway.

You cannot do that with NCAA prospects as they would lose their NCAA eligibility if they signed a pro contract.

 

[RyderRocks73]

Didn't Central Scouting still have him in the top ten? I thought teams just passed on him; mind you, it would be the scouts from those teams who inputted in that decision, but I didn't think he fell much in rank.

 

[Readytostart]

Honestly, even though I'm not a big Chychrun fan, I think he's able to crack an NHL lineup like Arizona's. Definitely more ready for the NHL than Sergachev and Juolevi IMO.

Ummm... have you heard about how Sergachev is lighting up Canadiens rookie camp? You think Chychrun's that ready? Personally, I don't.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

Some teams want to give those picks the signing bonus now. The two reasons are the player get money and is happy (also cannot go the Erixon way and ask for a trade or re-enter the draft) and something about the bonuses cap hit being more spread out over the year IIRC. The contract will slide anyway if they don't make the
NHL (and won't count on the 50 limit if they are sent back to junior before playing 10 NHL games). It's a good strategy when you're sure you're gonna offer him a contract eventually anyway.

You cannot do that with NCAA prospects as they would lose their NCAA eligibility if they signed a pro contract.

Might also work for leverage with their CHL team. Maybe they tell them they want their guy traded to a contending team, or they will keep them in the NHL.

Ummm... have you heard about how Sergachev is lighting up Canadiens rookie camp? You think Chychrun's that ready? Personally, I don't.

I don't think he's ready, but he looked pretty good in prospect camp here. Smooth and looked confident. Shut down the top end forwards that we have. Then again, mid July scrimmages are messes so eh

 

[hbk]

Ummm... have you heard about how Sergachev is lighting up Canadiens rookie camp? You think Chychrun's that ready? Personally, I don't.

I equate dominating rookie camp with accomplishing the square root of jack squat. Perlini looked like a future all-star in his first rookie camp. Means zip today. That being said I had Sergachev ahead of Chychrun.

 

[Mr Positive]

man I forgot they snagged this guy. They have quite the prospect pool

 

[Street Hawk]

No, I'm saying I feel he was a victim of overscouting. He's had the spotlight on him for such a longtime, and it's almost as though the scouts were trying to find something wrong with him.

I think/hope that many GM's will kick themselves for passing on Chychrun. Good on the Yotes for not being so stupid. I hope he becomes an Allstar there for many seasons.

Time will tell.

I think Zach Bogosian still rings loud for most GM's. He was physically more mature than his competition at a young age. 6'4, 220 lbs, and jacked as Bob McKenzie put it on day draft 2008.
Played right away.

On the flip side, Alex Pietroangelo wasn't as physically developed. Had a bout of mono or something during his draft year. He remained in the OHL for another 2 seasons before getting to the NHL.

Obviously, a no brainer who the better Dman turned out to be.

That said, if Bogosian was a mid 1st round pick, like Erik Karlsson from that draft, no one would really be complaining too much about Bogosian's career. But, as the #3 overall pick, and with AP right behind him, you are disappointed at what he became.

JC simply didn't play as well at 18 as he did at 17. There was chatter leading up to the draft about whether he would turn into another Bogosian if he was the first Dman off the board. All the physical tools, but questions about whether he could put it all together.

I was surprised he fell behind both McAvoy and Fabbro. But, guess those teams wanted a PMD, which is what those 2 bring, plus they were RHD as well.

JC was a great value pick by Arizona. At worst, he should be a second pairing Dman.

 

[Stephen23]

What took so long??? He must not want to play in Arizona and now has a tainted relationship with the organization. Congrats Coyotes fans! I am a fan of Jakob's game and think you got a steal. Cheers!

 

[rt]

Fabbro went after him. Boston always massively reaches for "their guy". Just look at Senyshyn, DeBrusk, and Frederic. Not saying McAvoy was a huge reach, only that where a guy goes isn't really indicative of much if it's Boston doing the selection. The team is an outlier. I'm just nitpicking, here. All of your points are valid. I had him as my top rated D and in my top ten. But I couldn't argue with a list that had him ranked as the third D and right outside the top ten. There are a bunch of players all bunched together in that range for me. Picks 12-15 are the only ones where I feel like players I had players clearly behind.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Good to see Phoenix lock up Chichryn. He'll be good.

It's Chychrun not Chichryn but close enough.

 

[mouser]

I have a question why do some recent picks sign to ELCs and others no? Is it cause there expected to make the big team in october or am i missing something here? Thanks

Lots of potential reasons:
- Maybe has potential to make the team.
- Boost relationship with the player.
- Give a top prospect a signing bonus and CHL salary (yes, teams can give a small salary to players returned to juniors).
- For late birthdays (Sep 16 to Dec 31) signing a player following the draft allows the player contract to slide twice, e.g. Gauthier. If the team waited until the next season to sign then the contract can't slide at all.

 

[Panda Bear]

Chuchron's a good player.

I think he put far too much pressure on himself last year trying to play like a first overall pick, which lead to him playing worse than his pre-draft season.

Forced passes and plays, saw his ranking drop, lost a bit of confidence but forced things even more, saw it drop further, then started recovering at the end of the season. He'll be fine.

Phoenix is very lucky that Chochrin dropped.

 

[Donzo]

Serious question: how do you pronounce his name?

 

[Frk It]

Gudbranson and McIlrath were the only D drafted before Fowler. Everyone knew Mc was a dumb pick, but the Rangers wanted toughness. There isn't much of an argument here, teams didn't want to go defense so he dropped. In Chychrun's case there's 4 teams that took D over him (5 if you want to consider Detroit dropping the pick). His fall is more akin to those of Esposito or Schremp which the scouts weren't wrong about.

Getlaf was ranked 5th in 2003 among NA skaters. So scouts were wrong on that one letting him drop to 19. It has gone both ways.

 

[Hockeypete49]

He would need to have a really impressive training camp. With 8 dmen signed to 1-way contracts it's pretty clear Arizona isn't expecting him on the roster.

I am happy for him but I think he needs at least another year to mature. Physically he is close but mentally he needs more time to develop, and no better place for him than juniors. I would not rush this young man.

 

[rt]

Serious question: how do you pronounce his name?

Chick Run

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

Chouchryn will be a cornerstone of the Yotes in just a few years

 

[Spitfire11]

Getlaf was ranked 5th in 2003 among NA skaters. So scouts were wrong on that one letting him drop to 19. It has gone both ways.

Well obviously they're never always right or always wrong. Although he might have been ranked high by CSS to finish the season, Getzlaf didn't have anywhere near the hype these other guys did.

Can you think of any other player that had the hype and exposure Chyrchrun did, to fall that far and still turn into a star? He was a consensus 1st overall pick heading into the year. When players that hyped pre-draft year fall - like Esposito, Kabanov, Schremp, O'Sullivan, Brule, the scouts tend to have it right.

 

[Blue Goose]

Can you think of any other player that had the hype and exposure Chyrchrun did, to fall that far and still turn into a star? He was a consensus 1st overall pick heading into the year. When players that hyped pre-draft year fall - like Esposito, Kabanov, Schremp, O'Sullivan, Brule, the scouts tend to have it right.

Randy Moss and Aaron Rodgers.

But seriously, I don't think Chychrun was ever a consensus pre-draft #1, but he was definitely #2 behind Matthews at one point. I think what ends up happening in these situations (and probably happened here) is that the teams picking 10-15 all assumed he'd be gone before their pick, so they set their sights on other players and stuck with their initial plan. I think that's what probably happened with Filip Forsberg too - he was the #1 ranked European skater going into the 2012 Draft, and was projected to be picked in the Top 5 (possibly Top 3). When he wasn't picked in the Top 5, the teams picking 6-10 were probably shocked that he was still there, but chose to pick defensemen instead, and Washington got Forsberg at #11. Now, one could argue that Forsberg is better than any of those 10 players picked ahead of him, and on the cusp of being a "star".

 

[Spitfire11]

Randy Moss and Aaron Rodgers.

But seriously, I don't think Chychrun was ever a consensus pre-draft #1, but he was definitely #2 behind Matthews at one point.

Oops, of course you're right - #2.

I think what ends up happening in these situations (and probably happened here) is that the teams picking 10-15 all assumed he'd be gone before their pick, so they set their sights on other players and stuck with their initial plan. I think that's what probably happened with Filip Forsberg too - he was the #1 ranked European skater going into the 2012 Draft, and was projected to be picked in the Top 5 (possibly Top 3). When he wasn't picked in the Top 5, the teams picking 6-10 were probably shocked that he was still there, but chose to pick defensemen instead, and Washington got Forsberg at #11. Now, one could argue that Forsberg is better than any of those 10 players picked ahead of him, and on the cusp of being a "star".

Yea Forsberg is a pretty good example, but there was a run of 7 straight D picked before him leading to the drop. He was still the 3rd forward taken which is about what was expected.

Like you say, the teams going with their original plan narrative fits for Forsberg, as it did for Fowler with teams opting to draft at other positions and sticking with their plans despite the fall. For Chychrun, his stock dropped in the scouts' eyes and his final draft rankings put him around where he went (McKenzie had him at 13). Teams were also opting to take other defensemen over him. I just don't the see it being a fluke he dropped, or it being a case of scouts "over-analyzing" him. They seem to have legitimate concerns, and when that happens with these highly hyped pre-draft players, the scouts are usually right.

 

[hbk]

Chychrun is going to play in the NHL. Question is whether or not he has top pairing upside. I believe he's going to be a 18-20 min/night 4D. If that's his downside then AZ did okay here.