Post-Game Talk: Are you saying Blues or Boourns? Jets win 5-1!

[Robinson2187]

Whoever scouted Helly deserves to be a rich rich man.

Yup...some fine bird-dogging there.

 

[Robinson2187]

There was some talk of Laine limping after the game?

 

[Trilliann]

There was some talk of Laine limping after the game?

Yeah, they say they'll get an update from Maurice after the practice.

 

[Bigfish]

Just my personal opinion but I think Scheifele, Connor and Laine (on the power play) make Wheeler look much better than he really is. I just don't see what everyone else does in Wheeler. His 5vs5 numbers aren't that great and he continues to take stupid selfish penalties. The penalty he took last night cost Helly his shutout.

 

[robertocarlos]

I wonder if fans can exchange for their Ehlers jerseys...

Just add a W.

 

[ocdaddy]

Good to see Buff standing up for the opening line-up for another season. A reward for his loyalty.

Not sure if thats a thing for players.

 

[winnipegger]

I just don't see it with St Louis. They don't have an elite center iceman. What was the last team to win a cup without an elite center? ROR is like a Little clone. Good 2C shouldn't be 1C. I am much more worried about Dallas. Heiskenen is the real deal. I think Dallas Jets Nashville are the top 3 in the central.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I have nothing against analytics in the game. I understand the need to track stuff like Corsi and adjusted corsi and WAR. It's just that we spent so many of our Jets 2.0 years patting ourselves on the back because we won the Corsi, even though we lost the games, didn't make the playoffs etc.

We have a very talented offensive team now, more guys with higher than average shooting percentages, a potent power play, more forward depth throughout the lines, the ability to score in bunches. And we have a Vezina quality goal tender (at least last year) who showed last night how to dominate a game. So advanced stats get skewed from Score Effects. Then there are 'adjustments' to the stats due to the score etc - to explain/adjust the advanced stats so that they make sense because the team that isn't supposed to be winning is winning. It is like a bit of a circle.

At the end of the day, it is the score in the games that translates into position in the standings that gets you into the playoffs. I would be just fine losing every game on Corsi, but generating 100+ points in the standings so that we are in the post season.

So I say it casually (Screw the Corsi, win the Scorsi) but I mean it. Even though I respect analytics in the game, and understand why they are important at the team and individual player levels. But at the end of the day, I want us to win games - period.

 

[surixon]

Just my personal opinion but I think Scheifele, Connor and Laine (on the power play) make Wheeler look much better than he really is. I just don't see what everyone else does in Wheeler. His 5vs5 numbers aren't that great and he continues to take stupid selfish penalties. The penalty he took last night cost Helly his shutout.

He most certainly is more passenger then driver now at ES. The numbers show that it's Scheifele that drives the bus at ES, Conner looks to be staring to drive results as well.

Wheeler is most certainly aided by having a host of elite shooters to pass to on the PP but he is still full value for making the passes.

All in all I am not at all a fan of the contract but I'll be at least a little content if he can keep chisseling points off his linemates.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

There was some talk of Laine limping after the game?

He kinda got kneed on that one play - can't recall who it was but they called a penalty for tripping I think.

 

[Robinson2187]

He kinda got kneed on that one play - can't recall who it was but they called a penalty for tripping I think.

knee on knee or more of a charlie horse thing?

 

[Calendal]

There was some talk of Laine limping after the game?

Maybe if he hadn’t lost all those pounds he could not have tried the move and would be just fine now!

 

[1stDan]

Oh boy, hope Bishop is ready for some Bronx cheers when Laine pumps in his usual 3 against Dallas.

Bishop is calling in sick for that one.

 

[1stDan]

Just my personal opinion but I think Scheifele, Connor and Laine (on the power play) make Wheeler look much better than he really is. I just don't see what everyone else does in Wheeler. His 5vs5 numbers aren't that great and he continues to take stupid selfish penalties. The penalty he took last night cost Helly his shutout.

He was justified but should have punched him instead. They both needed to go for 2.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I just don't see it with St Louis. They don't have an elite center iceman. What was the last team to win a cup without an elite center? ROR is like a Little clone. Good 2C shouldn't be 1C. I am much more worried about Dallas. Heiskenen is the real deal. I think Dallas Jets Nashville are the top 3 in the central.

Well they essentially traded away a 3rd and 4th line centers plus 2 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick for him. I don't think we could get that for Little but for some reason people view O'Reilly in the same vein as Patrice Bergeron. Well maybe he is a Bergeron lite

My own thoughts on watching the Blues. I don't think they are going anywhere with Mike Yeo as a coach. They have that same problem Minny had with him, they don't play the type of game that will allow them to beat elite teams. It isn't so much a player skill problem but the way he wants them to play. They love to swing it back out to the points and shoot from distance or the sides while trying to Jam the net. I think that just kills skill plays. They out shot us for sure and they had some chances but I think we had more better chances.

They are kind of in a cross roads and I know people picked them to be the most improved team but I don't see it. No elite center. An aging core. Trying to rely on 1st and 2nd year pros. Thomas is a good player but its like when the Jets had Scheif here as a 19 year old, he wasn't ready and they did the right thing and sent him back. Part of me is hoping they keep Thomas around and have Yeo turn him into a 3rd line checker who doesn't want to make skilled plays.

Steen,Perron and Maroon look slow. Bouwmeester is aging past his top 2 days. They got 2 years left on Pietrangelo and If they miss the playoffs I can't see him being around for the playoffs and oh btw their 1st this is gone.

 

[HannuJ]

Stack up your guys who play 8 minutes? Also, that suggests that Dano is garbage. Regarding your 2nd point that Vesa goes back to Europe. You don't let a brand new rookie/prospect push you around in my humble opinion that is a major no-no.
Here's another thing if Vesa stays in NA you can call him up just before the playoffs. Hopefully all the extra minutes makes him a better player, your still burning a year of his ELC but you are stacking up the talent and letting him grow.

at this point in his career, i would be tempted to state that Dano will be a fringe NHLer. Jets are stacked, but we're team #3 that he's been on and profile-wise, Vesalainen provides more to the Jets than Dano can.
also, the 4th line will get more minutes. you're not paying Ehlers that amount to play 10 min

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So 5v5 Lowry line played almost as much as CSW and PLL...it's a bit funny how conservative Maurice is on the road games. Yeah you want to use the Lowry line to shutdown opposition, but putting them out on the ice 5v5 more than some best offensive guys is dumb. They all ready get the PK minutes as well, so maybe Ehlers could have had some of those minutes?

And distributing the minutes so evenly between 4 lines is not the optimal way. Lowry's line is not there to make offence, that's just the way it is.

I'd love to see how many goals the Lowry line would get if they were there to make offence. They had 2 goals last night including the most important one.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Cant belive people are pooing on Vesa, ask yourself, how good would you play in your first NHL-game, I say, most would stink. Give him 5 games and then we can judge him. But if he only will play sub 10 min a game, we better off sending him to Europé or Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose.

It being his first game is not the point. The point is that he isn't NHL ready - and we have good players who are. We no longer need to be developing players at the NHL level. Development should be done at the lower levels.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I just don't see it with St Louis. They don't have an elite center iceman. What was the last team to win a cup without an elite center? ROR is like a Little clone. Good 2C shouldn't be 1C. I am much more worried about Dallas. Heiskenen is the real deal. I think Dallas Jets Nashville are the top 3 in the central.

ROR is a much better centre than Bryan Little.

 

[Trilliann]

 

[DannyGallivan]

Maurice confirmed that both Laine and Little will play against Dallas.

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[Adam da bomb]

at this point in his career, i would be tempted to state that Dano will be a fringe NHLer. Jets are stacked, but we're team #3 that he's been on and profile-wise, Vesalainen provides more to the Jets than Dano can.
also, the 4th line will get more minutes. you're not paying Ehlers that amount to play 10 min

Who knows if Ehlers and Perrault switch lines in a game or 2. Then you can still play that 4th line 10 minutes. There are only so many minutes to go around. CSW will get their minutes and so will CLT. So Lemieux might be a boon if he can take a few pk minutes away from Little which Ves does not seem like he'll do. Also how much more vs financial issues. No one is arguing Ves isn't the best player but how much better is he than the options.

 

[ATLbound]

ROR is a much better centre than Bryan Little.

Last year yes.... the years before that t could be argued..... People around here just tend to think Little's whole career was like he was last year. He was just as good at worst a hair behind ROR 2-3 years ago

 

[Afterburner]

Phew. I mean it's Laine and Dallas, it HAS to happen

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They have an option with Roslovic.

+++ CLT is great for their role

+ CSW is good. Bad defensively but great offensively, thus outscoring opponent.

- PLL seems not to work. Some Perreault - Laine connection going on, zero with Little - Laine. Pretty expected given their history.

-- VRE was not good at all. Some good individual effort by Roslovic, also some good by Ehlers. If I am very generous, Vesalainen was OK given that it was his first game.

Looking at those it's pretty obvious you should try to suffle PLL and VRE a bit. The most simple change would be PRL & VLE (switching Little <-> Roslovic), and another being ERL & VLP switching Laine and Vesalainen (or Dano/Petan [when he is ready]), to get Ehlers going.

As someone said 6 million is way too much to pay 4th line winger playing 10 minutes a game, so something just has to be done eventually. That same 6 million winger was part of by far the most winning 5-on-5 line last season, and that guys is NOT ELL, but EStL.

Current situation is painfully wasting Laine and Ehlers on 5-on-5.

What is this EStL line you keep referring to? Stastny is gone. East St Louis? In a thread where all lines are referenced by the last initials of the 3 players, really no idea. You can't mean Scheifele. There is no t there. But we don't have another player with the initial S.