Proposal: are we dumb enough to try Willander + 1st for Larkin?

[NYVanfan]

and would they go for it?
dont know Wings needs, but could be a fit?

 

[Vector]

In what way is offering that dumb? Like are the Canucks dumb enough to offer that because obviously Detroit would have no interest in that package?

Also, there's no way that Yzerman accepts that package given. They are in pretty much the same spot as the Canucks and a bunch of other teams. Trading away their best offensive player, Captain, and local hero for a 1st and Willander is terrible PR on top of not helping them win.

 

[Nick Lang]

In what way is offering that dumb? Like are the Canucks dumb enough to offer that because obviously Detroit would have no interest in that package?

Also, there's no way that Yzerman accepts that package given. They are in pretty much the same spot as the Canucks and a bunch of other teams. Trading away their best offensive player, Captain, and local hero for a 1st and Willander is terrible PR on top of not helping them win.

You forgot this:

 

[Vancouver_2010]

No, we are not dumb enough to do that. we should only do this deal when we are contenders.

 

[Raistlin]

No, we are not dumb enough to do that. we should only do this deal when we are contenders.

one could argue that we would be much closer to contending with Larkin. But no, Wings will not do this, not even if Larkin demands a trade.

 

[NYVanfan]

so we are not dumb enough but also too dumb
i thought it was a stretch, but apparantly there is strife in Det w him
but yes i imagine Yzerman would get much better offers, and it is likely not the best move for us anyway

 

[Vancouver_2010]

one could argue that we would be much closer to contending with Larkin. But no, Wings will not do this, not even if Larkin demands a trade.

This trade should be one of the final pieces of what a contender would want, we are not a strong contender next year for the cup, and Larkin probably have maybe 5 years of prime left with him, you want to trade a first AND Tom willander just to make the playoffs?

 

[Raistlin]

I dotn think vancouver is that far off from contending with a viable 2C. and if a demko/lankinen tandem works. If they are dangling Willander, I'd rather get a surefire 2C back for, as you say, the next 5 years instead of a hope and a prayer like Sillinger (offense)/Rossi (size)/Norris (shoulders). I am dumb enough because I want to keep Hughes in vancouver, and its in his rights to expect a winning team to resign here.

I am dumb enough, but Yzerman is not, they need to make playoffs, not rebuild.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

I dotn think vancouver is that far off from contending with a viable 2C. and if a demko/lankinen tandem works. If they are dangling Willander, I'd rather get a surefire 2C back for, as you say, the next 5 years instead of a hope and a prayer like Sillinger (offense)/Rossi (size)/Norris (shoulders). I am dumb enough because I want to keep Hughes in vancouver, and its in his rights to expect a winning team to resign here.

I am dumb enough, but Yzerman is not, they need to make playoffs, not rebuild.

Yeah, i dont think we will keep Hughes, i think its better off to just trade him away, and rebuild properly.

 

[Hodgy]

I don't think a first and Willander is going to return a number one, two way centre, that is 28 years old and has six years left at $8.7 million. For reference, he's the same age as Boeser and AFP Analytics is projecting Boeser to basically get what Larkin is going to get over the next six years, and Larkin is by far the more valuable player.

 

[Hoglander]

If Willander is getting moved, it needs to be for a needle-mover such as Larkin. He's probably among the best targets out there, and is on a solid contract. Also brings speed to the lineup.

 

[ephmrl]

Yeah, i dont think we will keep Hughes, i think its better off to just trade him away, and rebuild properly.

You're nuts. Hughes is the best player in the entire 55 year history of the franchise. You don't just trade them away, and if we do, there's a good chance we won't see anyone as talented as him wearing a Canucks jersey for the rest of our lives.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

You're nuts. Hughes is the best player in the entire 55 year history of the franchise. You don't just trade them away, and if we do, there's a good chance we won't see anyone as talented as him wearing a Canucks jersey for the rest of our lives.

There is nothing we can do if he doesnt want to stay here, he wants to win a cup in the near future. But this is getting out of topic. The main point is we shouldn't be making any trades that involved us giving up prospect or draft picks.

 

[rypper]

There is nothing we can do if he doesnt want to stay here, he wants to win a cup in the near future. But this is getting out of topic. The main point is we shouldn't be making any trades that involved us giving up prospect or draft picks.

We can chain him up in the bowels of Rogers Arena only releasing him on game nights.

 

[StreetHawk]

If Willander is getting moved, it needs to be for a needle-mover such as Larkin. He's probably among the best targets out there, and is on a solid contract. Also brings speed to the lineup.

I would agree, but Detroit and Yzerman would get roasted for making that move. If he had done that deal back at the draft in 2023 that would be a different story. Wings need to push forward as they don't have any other forwards coming up that can really come close the production of Larkin (when he's healthy).

 

[VancouverJagger]

I love Willander but if he's the main as for Larkin here I'm driving him to the airport myself. Gotta think the ask would be Willander plus 2 firsts min even then probably need an add from Van.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

We can chain him up in the bowels of Rogers Arena only releasing him on game nights.

That sounds barbaric! Why don't we hypnotized him instead?

 

[VanJack]

Canucks probably do that deal in a heartbeat. Wilander and a first for Larkin would be a game-changer for the Canucks.

But he has a full no move contract--and there isn't much chance he'd waive it to come to Vancouver.

 

[F A N]

In what way is offering that dumb?

I think value wise it's dumb. We traded Horvat for what was expected to be a mid 1st that ended up being 17th + fillers. We traded Miller for what was expected to end up being a mid 1st + parts that are not worth our 1st round pick or Willander. Is Larkin worth Horvat + Willander/our 1st this year?

Now if we were contenders and adding Larkin could potentially push us over the hump I am all for the overpayment. But we have an immediate need for a top 4 RHD that needs to be filled by next summer if not sooner. I think if we are to "go for it" we need to acquire a veteran top 4 RHD like Ryan Pulock.

This team shouldn't be trading Willander (who is ready to turn pro) if the team can't improve on the 35 year old Myers as the top 4 RHD option.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think value wise it's dumb. We traded Horvat for what was expected to be a mid 1st that ended up being 17th + fillers. We traded Miller for what was expected to end up being a mid 1st + parts that are not worth our 1st round pick or Willander. Is Larkin worth Horvat + Willander/our 1st this year?

Now if we were contenders and adding Larkin could potentially push us over the hump I am all for the overpayment. But we have an immediate need for a top 4 RHD that needs to be filled by next summer if not sooner. I think if we are to "go for it" we need to acquire a veteran top 4 RHD like Ryan Pulock.

This team shouldn't be trading Willander (who is ready to turn pro) if the team can't improve on the 35 year old Myers as the top 4 RHD option.

Moving off Wallinder (assuming they will ultimately sign him) is a short term fix that will create another hole.

Hronek is the only legit top 4 RHD. Myers is down to 2 seasons left. Mancini, really still a wildcard and unknown. After him, Jett Woo and the kid from the Oil Kings they just drafted.

2C or top 4 RHD, basically similar value, though RHD is harder to find.

 

[VanJack]

Canuck fans are generating a ton of 'mock trades' to magically secure a second round center. I call it the 'Quinn Hughes fear factor'.

Unless they magically find a way to upgrade their top-six forward group--particularly down the middle--then Hughes is essentially 'gone' by the end of the 2027 season.

But as good as their captain is--you can't base your entire roster construction on just one player, no matter how brilliant.

In the late 90's the Canuck had all of Messier, Bure and Mogilny in the lineup And within a season they were all gone. In came Brian Burke and Dave Nonis, who essentially built the Canucks team that was dominant by the 2008-09 season.

So for me it's a big 'no' trading Wilander. Myers is winding down his career, and the only other ride-side defender on the roster besides Hronek, is Mancini. And he's still a question mark.

Sometimes the best strategy is just to keep building, and hope for the best. I'm sure the Canucks will bring in somebody to replace either Boeser or Sutter, or both. But it simply won't be a game-changing player. That's just the way it is.

 

[me2]

No, we are not dumb enough to do that. we should only do this deal when we are contenders.

Seems like overpay for a 39yo Larkin.

 

[F A N]

In the late 90's the Canuck had all of Messier, Bure and Mogilny in the lineup And within a season they were all gone. In came Brian Burke and Dave Nonis, who essentially built the Canucks team that was dominant by the 2008-09 season.

The Canucks were not dominant in 08-09. Consider the fact that the Sedins were drafted in 1999. 08-09 was 9 years later. The team that Burke built was the WCE era. It needed to be rebuilt/retooled after the lockout and after Nonis.

 

[kcunac]

Add Chytil and Raty and maybe he won’t hang up before a giving a polite goodbye.

Unless of course Larking wants out…

 

[logan5]

Larkin is a decent 70 point player, that has a 200 foot game, but he isn't an elite player imo. He is also 28 years old, so if I'm the Detroit GM, I make that trade and flip Willander and that 15 overall for an upgrade on Larkin. Imo, people are greatly undervaluing Willander and that 1st. A 17 overall got us Filip Hronek, and Willander is a Right shot D with top pairing upside. hat would be a stupid trade by the Canucks.