NHL Team Prospect Pool Strength Rankings (July 2024)

[NyQuil]

It also ignores that a few better teams, NJ and Detroit, would have also made the playoffs with average goaltending.

I would have killed for your below average goaltending last season.

 

[conFABulator]

It also ignores that a few better teams, NJ and Detroit, would have also made the playoffs with average goaltending.

That's a great point...and NJ improved their G position dramatically too.

 

[SpezDispenser]

He got Senzed

I shouldn't have blocked. Was it fun?

 

[Shane Diesel]

It sure is a bad comparison, considering the Coyotes were booted out of the league and spent 20 odd years being the leagues basement dweller and kicked out of their arena. Last I checked Ottawa still has their team, a full size arena to play in, and have at least done some shit worth a damn before this lmao

The arenas the teams play in have nothing to do with my argument.

Attendance, revenue generation and on-ice competitiveness are the crux. All of which are bottom of the barrel for the Sens organization in the NHL.

There's no other situation like Arizona though. Ottawa may be struggling, but the agonizing Coyotes made the league look like a complete joke. It's been embarassing headline after headline for them for basically their entire existence.

When the Senators are planned to play a minimum of 3 seasons in a U of O facility, you can come back and cry injustice.

See my response above.

You all are fixating on the arena thing when it hasn't once been a tenet of my argument.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Can someone please do a health check on Shane Diesel. He hasn't posted in here for a while

Another beautiful day forecasted here, almost the weekend, the boss is on vacation and Sens fans are in a death-match with reality.

Happy as a clam, thanks for asking.

 

[Tuna99]

I shouldn't have blocked. Was it fun?

He thought we cared what he thought, and then we just went all billboard on him and he realized we just a savage group of diehards

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Whether their fans want to admit it or not...they're definitely up there. The team right now, while having star players, isn't good enough to win. They have a relatively weak prospect pool, and will be losing a 1st rounder in the next 2 years. And to top it off they are in a very strong division, with alot of the other teams currently not in the mix having better/more young players/prospects. What path do they have to follow that will lead to long-term playoff success, other than a rebuild?

They're clearly worse than FLA, TOR, TBL, and BOS.

DET, and BUF finished above them in the standings last year and have just as much if not more young star players, but much better prospect pools.

That leaves them at the bottom with MTL, who again has a much better prospect pool, and their own handful of young players also improving.

 

[TageGod]

As long as Pegula is meddling with the Sabres, I think he owns that title for now and into the future.

Unfortunately, we can no longer retain the title. This team still has a good prospect pool, a solid roster, should be a solid head coach, and we know Adams at least has a brain. Maybe not the best for the job but the organization is at least being ran competently.

If it was the "past" for sure.

 

[umma gumma]

The arenas the teams play in have nothing to do with my argument.

Of course it doesn't. One team has an arena and the other doesn't.

Attendance, revenue generation and on-ice competitiveness are the crux. All of which are bottom of the barrel for the Sens organization in the NHL.

For 20 odd years like the poster you quoted mentioned? Or just the years that fir your narrative?

 

[Demigod11]

The arenas the teams play in have nothing to do with my argument.

Attendance, revenue generation and on-ice competitiveness are the crux. All of which are bottom of the barrel for the Sens organization in the NHL.


See my response above.

You all are fixating on the arena thing when it hasn't once been a tenent of my argument.

A lot of franchises have lacked attendance, revenue generation and on-ice competitiveness.

My point is that those were not even close to be the only worries the coyotes had. The focus is on the arena thing because of how outrageous and ridiculous it is to have such a situation occur in a top level pro league.

Attendance is also a stat that can easily be misleading. I'm fairly certain the Sens would fill a baseball stadium every night if they gave their tickets away like the Coyotes were, even if they're in a much smaller and poorer market, and litterally sandwiched right inbetween hockey's 2 largest fanbases, Montreal and Toronto.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Whether their fans want to admit it or not...they're definitely up there. The team right now, while having star players, isn't good enough to win. They have a relatively weak prospect pool, and will be losing a 1st rounder in the next 2 years. And to top it off they are in a very strong division, with alot of the other teams currently not in the mix having better/more young players/prospects. What path do they have to follow that will lead to long-term playoff success, other than a rebuild?

They're clearly worse than FLA, TOR, TBL, and BOS.

DET, and BUF finished above them in the standings last year and have just as much if not more young star players, but much better prospect pools.

That leaves them at the bottom with MTL, who again has a much better prospect pool, and their own handful of young players also improving.

Rebuilding is not the answer

The have the pieces they can build around with Tkachuk, Stutzle, Sanderson, Pinto, Greig, Chabot.

Florida has proven that Pro scouting is just as if not more important than drafting

And to be honest I don't want to rebuild get out of here with that garbage

Better Drafting, Smart FA signings

Good coaching choice

I'd even take Joel Quenville on the Sens right now like this core just needs to learn how to play a system.,

 

[Shane Diesel]

Of course it doesn't. One team has an arena and the other doesn't.

I've never made it a pillar of my argument. This is literally a strawman argument.

For 20 odd years like the poster you quoted mentioned? Or just the years that fir your narrative?

The Sens have had bad revenue and attendance for years. Just because the Coyotes have been a poorly for longer doesn't absolve the Ottawa organization for their lack of success.

Ottawa Senators [NHL, 1992-2025] yearly attendance at hockeydb.com

A historical graph of the yearly attendance for the Ottawa Senators [NHL, 1992-2025] of the National Hockey League.

www.hockeydb.com

A lot of franchises have lacked attendance, revenue generation and on-ice competitiveness.

And according to you none of that matters as long as the arena situation isn't an issue. You're really setting an incredibly low bar for success here.

 

[Chainshot]

Unfortunately, we can no longer retain the title. This team still has a good prospect pool, a solid roster, should be a solid head coach, and we know Adams at least has a brain. Maybe not the best for the job but the organization is at least being ran competently.

If it was the "past" for sure.

Until they actually do something competent on the ice, this is Buffalo’s title. 13 years of evidence versus a couple of weeks of activity still slants this in favor of how they have been.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

They should try a rebuild

 

[David Suzuki]

They should be able to get solid returns on Tkachuk and Stutzle when they trade them. Some teams don't have assets with that kind of value so I would not call them the worst.

 

[TageGod]

Until they actually do something competent on the ice, this is Buffalo’s title. 13 years of evidence versus a couple of weeks of activity still slants this in favor of how they have been.

The whole point of this thread is present and future. Sabres are set up perfectly fine.

 

[umma gumma]

The Sens have had bad revenue and attendance for years. Just because the Coyotes have been a poorly for longer doesn't absolve the Ottawa organization for their lack of success

Yes we know, we've splained to you why. Lots of teams fit this category. Some teams fit have only ever fit this category and know nothing else; Ottawa is not one of them. Posters form other fanbases have called you out but you're only responding to Sens fans. Can you say agenda?

 

[Shane Diesel]

Yes we know, we've splained to you why. Lots of teams fit this category. Some teams fit have only ever fit this category and know nothing else; Ottawa is not one of them. Posters form other fanbases have called you out but you're only responding to Sens fans. Can you say agenda?

You can make the exact same excuses for all those other teams as well. Nothing you've "splained" is unique to the Senators.

"The Coyotes had bad ownership so the fans got smart and stopped supporting a loser. It's all totally logical and explainable if you look at the details and context of the situation."

I understand completely. It's OK when Ottawa does it, but when other teams do it then it's a problem.

Can you say double standard?

 

[Demigod11]

I've never made it a pillar of my argument. This is literally a strawman argument.

The Sens have had bad revenue and attendance for years. Just because the Coyotes have been a poorly for longer doesn't absolve the Ottawa organization for their lack of success.

Ottawa Senators [NHL, 1992-2025] yearly attendance at hockeydb.com

A historical graph of the yearly attendance for the Ottawa Senators [NHL, 1992-2025] of the National Hockey League.

www.hockeydb.com

And according to you none of that matters as long as the arena situation isn't an issue. You're really setting an incredibly low bar for success here.

Nobody's absolving the Sens from their lack of success. They just kind of belong to a tier with a few other shit franchises, with nothing too outrageous about them to make them stand out.

Then you have the Coyotes, who not only failed to get any support from fans OR elected officials in their massive, wealthy, isolated media market for 3 decades, but metaphorical sticks have been thrown into their wheels at every turn to force their fate. Everything that could make them look like a nail to be hammered down happened.

 

[ViD]

good riddance their drafting has sucked for 20 years

I think Columbus is in pretty good shape in terms of prospects now

 

[SpezDispenser]

They should be able to get solid returns on Tkachuk and Stutzle when they trade them. Some teams don't have assets with that kind of value so I would not call them the worst.

They would have to demand a trade. There's no way in the world you trade someone like Tkachuk, Stutzle and especially Sanderson without them coming to you and saying I want out. No way in the world.

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

No, but the situation isn't great because they tried to rush a rebuild by a few years. Ideally they should have a better prospect pool and at least another high end roster player.

 

[Oleksiak]

They would have to demand a trade. There's no way in the world you trade someone like Tkachuk, Stutzle and especially Sanderson without them coming to you and saying I want out. No way in the world.

It's not out of the question they do unless they realize their mistake and hire a real coach.

 

[Leonardo87]

Happy Anaheim is on top but rather them start selling some assets for help now, so they can start becoming competitive again soon. The Bottom 5 finishes are embarrassing now.

 

[SpezDispenser]

It's not out of the question they do unless they realize their mistake and hire a real coach.

It's never out of the question that someone asks to be traded, I'm just saying Ottawa would never actively look to trade those three unless they asked. Especially Sanderson.