Are the Capitals and Jets PDO merchants ?

[Brookbank]

As it stands the 2024/25 PDO for the Caps is 104.5%. And the Jets are at 104.6%

Vancouver last year was 102.9.

It is fine to caveat a teams success , if it is applied equally.

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[oXo Cube]

The Capitals absolutely are, yes.

The Jets get a little more leeway because reliably elite goaltending does raise your PDO floor, but they're also shooting considerably better than realistic expectation.

 

[Adam da bomb]

As it stands the 2024/25 PDO for the Caps is 104.5%. And the Jets are at 104.6%

Vancouver last year was 102.9.

It is fine to caveat a teams success , if it is applied equally.

Or are they Helly merchants as they have relied more on goaltending then anything.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

- Capitals yes, and I expect them to kind of crash and burn next year.
- Jets. Maybe slightly but they were one of the highest PDO teams last year as well. Having a goalie like Hellebuyck will help.

 

[Rec T]

PDO?

Heads off to the Googles...

1st result: Protected Designation of Origin... well, that didn't help

Ya know, unless your acronym has been around for half of forever, such as RBI in baseball, it would be polite to define what you are talking about the first time you use it in the thread...

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And now knowing just what we're talking about. I don't see the Caps being able to sustain that high level through the rest of the season. Jets will probably fall but not as much due to their goaltending

 

[AvroArrow]

No idea wtf a PDO is, another useless analytic stat ?

 

[Khelandros]

Both are 100%.

Jets are riding an astronomical PP that currently has them shooting 23%, which affects their overall team shooting percentage, which affects the overall PDO.

Washington has a few guys having career years in regards to SH%, plus Logan Thompson having a monster season.

 

[Mr Kot]

Usually a team or 2 has high pdo and they overperform.

 

[Heldig]

As it stands the 2024/25 PDO for the Caps is 104.5%. And the Jets are at 104.6%

Vancouver last year was 102.9.

It is fine to caveat a teams success , if it is applied equally.

Thing is the Canucks went from 22nd overall to 6th. They went from a -22 goal differential to +56 in one season.

Last year the Jets were 4th and +60. So far this year are 2nd and +52.

Not sure you can extrapolate much comparing the Canucks to the Jets.

 

[Grifter3511]

No idea wtf a PDO is, another useless analytic stat ?

Were you on vacation last year when every single thread about the Canucks turned into a PDO agrument?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Having the top goalie will stop the Jets from falling very far, don't know bout Caps.

 

[Toby91ca]

PDO?

Heads off to the Googles...

1st result: Protected Designation of Origin... well, that didn't help

Ya know, unless your acronym has been around for half of forever, such as RBI in baseball, it would be polite to define what you are talking about the first time you use it in the thread...

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And now knowing just what we're talking about. I don't see the Caps being able to sustain that high level through the rest of the season. Jets will probably fall but not as much due to their goaltending

I was in the same boat, but I made it easier using this as the google search "PDO hockey"

 

[MardyBum]

The Jets are 14th in on ice shooting % at 5v5. They have Hellebuyck.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

From 1-6 I don’t think there are more than two or three teams, if any, with a better blue line than Washington. Carlson, Fehervary, Roy, Chychrun, TvR, and Sandin is as good as it gets in the NHL from top to bottom. Strome, PLD, Eller, and Dowd is also terrific center depth even without a superstar at the position.

The Caps are built like Vegas before Vegas got Eichel. No All-World player at any position but terrific depth at every position.

But sure, PDO.

 

[oXo Cube]

The Jets are 14th in on ice shooting % at 5v5. They have Hellebuyck.

Why would 5v5 mean anything for team shooting%?

The Jets are 3rd in the NHL for all strengths SH%, behind only Washington and Tampa Bay(also flying under the radar here).

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why are people always up in arms over unsustainably high PDO but don't ever bring up low PDO as unsustainable?

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Having the top goalie will stop the Jets from falling very far, don't know bout Caps.

Hopefully he can get it done in June, especially if my nucks continue to struggle.

As long as either one goes further than the oilers I'll be a happy guy.

 

[Lunatik]

No idea wtf a PDO is, another useless analytic stat ?

It was the cool stat after Corsi... then it faded away because it's stupid... and for some reason it's making a comeback

it's shooting percentage + save percentage... the belief is if it's over 100% you're getting lucky

 

[Rowlet]

It was the cool stat after Corsi... then it faded away because it's stupid... and for some reason it's making a comeback

it's shooting percentage + save percentage... the belief is if it's over 100% you're getting lucky

Both PDO and zone starts seem to be back, it feels like 2014 again.

 

[BallardEra]

What were the best PDOs from the 1980s?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Hopefully he can get it done in June, especially if my nucks continue to struggle.

As long as either one goes further than the oilers I'll be a happy guy.

I’m a lot more confident in my team in regular season and pretend playoffs don’t exist as Jets crumble like a house of cards.

 

[Lunatik]

Both PDO and zone starts seem to be back, it feels like 2014 again.

the regression of intelligence is real

 

[MardyBum]

Why would 5v5 mean anything for team shooting%?

The Jets are 3rd in the NHL for all strengths SH%, behind only Washington and Tampa Bay(also flying under the radar here).

Because PP/PK is more systems driven.

If you're looking at *luck*, look at 5v5. The teams that crash down always have extremely high 5v5 oiSH%, or in some cases wildly high save % by a known mediocre goalie.

 

[oXo Cube]

What were the best PDOs from the 1980s?

This may not have been a serious question, but I did some quick digging for fun and I have to imagine it's Edmonton in 1983-84 with 105. 17% shooting and 88% goaltending.

The Oilers were 1st in the NHL for shooting percent every year of the decade except for the Penguins in 1989-90.

 

[ToDavid]

As it stands the 2024/25 PDO for the Caps is 104.5%. And the Jets are at 104.6%

Vancouver last year was 102.9.

It is fine to caveat a teams success , if it is applied equally.

It doesn't really have anything to do with caveating, just predicting.

The Jets are getting elite goaltending, have gotten elite goaltending in the past, and will likely continue to get elite goaltending for the forseeable future. Because they have an elite goaltender. And if you look at their shooting, it's fairly normal.

Demko has a pretty strong track record as well, just not as long of one and he's struggled to stay healthy which is part of the problem this year. Vancouver's shooting % was also through the roof last year.

Washington is definitely in that camp this year in that they're shooting lights out and they have a goalie who's been good in the past but not this elite. Their shooting percentage will come down. It already has come down a lot in the second quarter but Thompson has been basically unbeatable since then. That doesn't necessarily mean they're destined to collapse. Vancouver wasn't destined to collapse either, they were a solid team last year, just not quite as good as their results suggested. They've fallen off further than you would have expected just given pdo.