News: Arbitration Thread

[uncleben]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/latest-news/why-the-nhlpa-hasnt-released-dates-for-arbitration-cases-like-maple-leafs-connor-dewar-this-year

The NHLPA, which runs the process, has previously released an entire schedule of cases by day for each player approximately a week before the cases were set to begin. This year, however, they have elected not to do so.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Well, we know the Stastney case is in the next 48 hours:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1814661345192608023

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Stastney is ready for full-time NHL action. He is waiver exempt also, whereas Marc Del Gaizo is not, so the Preds might send Stastney back down anyway. Who knows. I'd certainly trust Stastney for everyday duty in the NHL based on what I've seen of him so far. Offering him 2 years worth of 2-way money is a bit extreme on the team side. I would have just offered $775k one-way, and that would have seemed like a fair compromise for where he's at in his career.

 

[vipera1960]

Well, we know the Stastney case is in the next 48 hours:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1814661345192608023

I thought the 1-yr/2-yr decision was entirely in the hands of the party that didn’t file. So in this case it would have to be a 2-yr award.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I thought the 1-yr/2-yr decision was entirely in the hands of the party that didn’t file. So in this case it would have to be a 2-yr award.

You are correct, Preds got to pick the term of the deal.

 

[vipera1960]

You are correct, Preds got to pick the term of the deal.

It’s just weird that he phrased it as if it was something that the arbitrator could rule on.

 

[mouser]

Well, we know the Stastney case is in the next 48 hours:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1814661345192608023

Seems unlikely to me the arbitrator would award Stastney a 1-way contract given the # of NHL games he’s played the past two seasons (8 and 20).

Throw in the risk that the arbitrator could award a two year contract 2-way both years. My first impression is Stastney should be the more motivated party to reach a settlement before the arbitration hearing.

 

[herzausstein]

Well, we know the Stastney case is in the next 48 hours:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1814661345192608023

Coming off a 2 year

925K / 70K per year contract

2 way seems right (atleast for year one) given he hasnt played a ton of NHL games. I don't think it should matter much because he should be in the NHL next season (unless theyre going to do some serious cap gymnastics and keep him down because he doesnt require waivers).

Personally think he should get more in the minors (especially if you are looking to lower his NHL salary at the same time).

 

[Djp]

so bruins can take swayman to arb but swayman cant do it himself because he did it last year

Teams can only file arb once on a player

A player can as many as they want
If as player files. They cant sign OS

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Coming off a 2 year

925K / 70K per year contract

2 way seems right (atleast for year one) given he hasnt played a ton of NHL games. I don't think it should matter much because he should be in the NHL next season (unless theyre going to do some serious cap gymnastics and keep him down because he doesnt require waivers).

Personally think he should get more in the minors (especially if you are looking to lower his NHL salary at the same time).

As others have said, I don't think he can win in arbitration. As Preds fans watching him play for us, we tend to be impressed and think he's definitely good enough to be on the NHL team full time next season. But that is a qualitative assessment, and not something he's going to be able to convey in arbitration.

$125k and $175k are definitely low for minor league pay, since we'll be paying several guys in Milwaukee in the $225-400k range, and if they're going to leverage his waiver exemption to "overcook" him in the minors, it's not entirely fair he'd be getting half the salary of a Kevin Gravel, less than Angello, etc. But c'est la vie for him.

I wonder if they are going to hold off announcing results of hearings just like they did with the schedule?

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I wonder if they are going to hold off announcing results of hearings just like they did with the schedule?

I fully expect Friedman will get the scoop from the agent or team side and tweet it out.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1815864748539535382

 

[Jared Dunn]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1815864748539535382

That Luukonen one could be interesting

 

[KeziaTML]

Is Jarvis doing arb?

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Is Jarvis doing arb?

Not eligible.

 

[uncleben]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1815864748539535382

PuckPedia coming in with the insider scoops!

 

[uncleben]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1815898843680276522

 

[mouser]

As others have said, I don't think he can win in arbitration. As Preds fans watching him play for us, we tend to be impressed and think he's definitely good enough to be on the NHL team full time next season. But that is a qualitative assessment, and not something he's going to be able to convey in arbitration.

$125k and $175k are definitely low for minor league pay, since we'll be paying several guys in Milwaukee in the $225-400k range, and if they're going to leverage his waiver exemption to "overcook" him in the minors, it's not entirely fair he'd be getting half the salary of a Kevin Gravel, less than Angello, etc. But c'est la vie for him.

I wonder if they are going to hold off announcing results of hearings just like they did with the schedule?

I believe all of those players making $200k+ in Milwaukee were UFAs? Not RFAs like Stastney.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I believe all of those players making $200k+ in Milwaukee were UFAs? Not RFAs like Stastney.

Absolutely. The team has the leverage. Just it is a bit of running sore spot that we are paying older UFAs more than our younger better players. Which is the way things work, but still seems unnecessarily cheap on the organization's part. Stastney should be in the NHL, so it shouldn't really matter.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Boston couldn't take him to arbitration if they instigated it last time but he could have filed if he wanted to

A player can only be taken to arbitration once in his career and can never receive less than 85% of his salary from the previous season. A player can request arbitration as many times as they are eligible and can ask for any amount of salary.​

He missed the boat, for this year.
was player elected last time.

 

[dgibb10]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1815864748539535382

Interesting. Is it just the one arbitrator?

Scheduling them non-concurrently suggests that may be the case?

 

[PredsV82]

ICYMI Stastney got a pretty good deal. 1st year is 2 way 825k but 400k in the AHL, second year is 825k one way.

 

[mouser]

Interesting. Is it just the one arbitrator?

Scheduling them non-concurrently suggests that may be the case?

Historically there have been multiple arbitrators. Also this is the list of remaining cases which weren’t already settled. The original scheduling list for all the arbitration players should have been more condensed.