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Anything intriguing enough to copy from the PWHL?

The “choose your opponent” makes me not want my team to ever finish 1st. Nobody wants to be the one to end up with an egg ln their face or give another team bulletin board material.
In the NHL it'd be open to the top 15 teams picking their opponent in descending order from 1st on down.

For series between teams where there is no existing rivalry it would at least provide a little pebble in the shoe antagonism for at least one of the opponents.
 
While I do like the idea of a shorthanded goal also killing the penalty, it feels kind of cheap from a deterring dangerous behavior point of view. Like if a guy takes a hard crosscheck and has to miss a few shifts, you want the other player to miss some TOI for the infraction and endangering another player. If the PK team scores a quick shorty and goes back to full strength it's almost like justice denied.

And before you ask, no, fortunately for society I don't work in the criminal justice system
 
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While I do like the idea of a shorthanded goal also killing the penalty, it feels kind of cheap from a deterring dangerous behavior point of view. Like if a guy takes a hard crosscheck and has to miss a few shifts, you want the other player to miss some TOI for the infraction and endangering another player. If the PK team scores a quick shorty and goes back to full strength it's almost like justice denied.

And before you ask, no, fortunately for society I don't work in the criminal justice system
Good point.

It could be tweaked to apply only to obstruction penalties .
 
No substituting at start of a PK? Interesting, probably wouldn't mind it.

First overall chooses it's first round opponent for the playoffs? Also interesting, but I wouldn't want it in the NHL.

A SHG negates the PK? No.

3-2-1 point system? Yes.

Golden Plan Draft format (first pick gives to team with most points after being mathematically eliminated)? No. Horrible.
 
A Minnesota team actually winning in the playoffs is something that should be brought over.

I wish they would reverse their draft plan and have it be the team with the fewest points earned after elimination. Reward the teams that were competitive until the end but fell short on talent or depth instead of the teams that intentionally suck out of the gate.
 
A Minnesota team actually winning in the playoffs is something that should be brought over.

I wish they would reverse their draft plan and have it be the team with the fewest points earned after elimination. Reward the teams that were competitive until the end but fell short on talent or depth instead of the teams that intentionally suck out of the gate.
But wouldn't that incentive losing still?
 
But wouldn't that incentive losing still?
No, fewest points after elimination would heavily favor the teams that get eliminated last. If you miss the playoffs on the final day of the season you have highest odds at pick number 1. A way for teams to avoid getting stuck in the mushy middle and deter outright tanking. The teams that are truly terrible still get decent picks, but have to show progress before being rewarded with better talent. That better talent also gets to step into a team in a better competitive position and is more likely to reach their potential, growing the talent and game further.
 
No, fewest points after elimination would heavily favor the teams that get eliminated last. If you miss the playoffs on the final day of the season you have highest odds at pick number 1. A way for teams to avoid getting stuck in the mushy middle and deter outright tanking. The teams that are truly terrible still get decent picks, but have to show progress before being rewarded with better talent. That better talent also gets to step into a team in a better competitive position and is more likely to reach their potential, growing the talent and game further.
True enough.

I like it.
 
A Minnesota team actually winning in the playoffs is something that should be brought over.

I wish they would reverse their draft plan and have it be the team with the fewest points earned after elimination. Reward the teams that were competitive until the end but fell short on talent or depth instead of the teams that intentionally suck out of the gate.
One of the worst proposals I've ever heard. All of the sudden you have a much easier and more blatant way to tank for a top pick by purposefully trying to miss the playoffs by a point. Imagine if instead of MTL and CBJ fighting for a playoff spot this year they both dressed AHL rosters to try to purposefully lose and be the first one out.

Can not stress enough how awful this would be
 
They don’t intentionally lose, they lose because they aren’t good enough.
There have been cases of it. Penguins and 76ers are two.

The cynic in me has a hard time believing that there weren't GMs out there thinking they don't have a chance anyway, may as well go for broke.
 
One of the worst proposals I've ever heard. All of the sudden you have a much easier and more blatant way to tank for a top pick by purposefully trying to miss the playoffs by a point. Imagine if instead of MTL and CBJ fighting for a playoff spot this year they both dressed AHL rosters to try to purposefully lose and be the first one out.

Can not stress enough how awful this would be
He explained it in a reply to me and it actually makes sense
 
He explained it in a reply to me and it actually makes sense
His explanation does not make sense. In this proposal why would MTL have tried to make the playoffs instead of finishing 9th in the east.

This incentivizes a very specific kind of losing that is much more insidious than the general losing that normal bad teams do. Really really awful idea
 
His explanation does not make sense. In this proposal why would MTL have tried to make the playoffs instead of finishing 9th in the east.

This incentivizes a very specific kind of losing that is much more insidious than the general losing that normal bad teams do. Really really awful idea
The last team to be eliminated would likely have the fewesr points so it would incentive teams to fight off mathematical elimination as long as possible.

Which would mean teams would want to keep all assets past the trade deadline
 
He explained it in a reply to me and it actually makes sense
Actually it doesn’t make sense. Maybe just worded badly.
First said,

I wish they would reverse their draft plan and have it be the team with the fewest points earned after elimination.

Then said,
No, fewest points after elimination would heavily favor the teams that get eliminated last. If you miss the playoffs on the final day of the season you have highest odds at pick number 1.
 
The last team to be eliminated would likely have the fewesr points so it would incentive teams to fight off mathematical elimination as long as possible.

Which would mean teams would want to keep all assets past the trade deadline
And then tank in the most blatant way possible the last few games of the season. Instead of fighting for the playoffs Calgary, Minnesota, Columbus, and Montreal would all be tanking like no one's business the last week of the season.
 
And then tank in the most blatant way possible the last few games of the season. Instead of fighting for the playoffs Calgary, Minnesota, Columbus, and Montreal would all be tanking like no one's business the last week of the season.
But if they stave off playoff elimination it will make it more likely they will have the fewest points AFTER they do in fact get eliminated and thus get the first overall pick

But there is a point ti tanking after being eliminated if that is what you're addressing.
 
But if they stave off playoff elimination it will make it more likely they will have the fewest points AFTER they do in fact get eliminated and thus get the first overall pick

But there is a point ti tanking after being eliminated if that is what you're addressing.
That is what I'm addressing. Making finishing 17th in the league (and winning 1st OA) more valuable than finishing 16th and making the playoffs is awful. It makes the tanking 10 times more blatant and unforgivable than it is under the current system.

Calgary and Minnesota were neck and neck for a playoff spot in the last week. They played each other in the third to last game in what was one of the must-watch games of the regular season. Calgary had to win to stay alive in the race. In this scenario, CGY fans would be rooting for them to lose and get eliminated as with only two games left in the season they could only get a maximum of four more points and be almost guaranteed of the top pick.

Once again, disastrously bad idea
 
That is what I'm addressing. Making finishing 17th in the league (and winning 1st OA) more valuable than finishing 16th and making the playoffs is awful. It makes the tanking 10 times more blatant and unforgivable than it is under the current system.

Calgary and Minnesota were neck and neck for a playoff spot in the last week. They played each other in the third to last game in what was one of the must-watch games of the regular season. Calgary had to win to stay alive in the race. In this scenario, CGY fans would be rooting for them to lose and get eliminated as with only two games left in the season they could only get a maximum of four more points and be almost guaranteed of the top pick.

Once again, disastrously bad idea
Gotcha.
 
Actually it doesn’t make sense. Maybe just worded badly.
First said,

I wish they would reverse their draft plan and have it be the team with the fewest points earned after elimination.

Then said,
No, fewest points after elimination would heavily favor the teams that get eliminated last. If you miss the playoffs on the final day of the season you have highest odds at pick number 1.
I’m not sure what is confusing about that, the PWHL is trying out a draft order that rewards better picks to the team with the most points after being mathematically eliminated. I think it makes more sense to be least points after elimination because I don’t like rewarding teams for playing meaningless games due to poor roster construction.
One of the worst proposals I've ever heard. All of the sudden you have a much easier and more blatant way to tank for a top pick by purposefully trying to miss the playoffs by a point. Imagine if instead of MTL and CBJ fighting for a playoff spot this year they both dressed AHL rosters to try to purposefully lose and be the first one out.

Can not stress enough how awful this would be
The players are not going to intentionally tank the last game of the season that could get them into the playoffs and a shot at the cup. In my scenario this conflict of interest is only possibly in play for one game of the season vs the current way where the bottom 10 teams are routinely hoping for losses from December on making half the games in the second half a mockery of competitiveness.
 
That is what I'm addressing. Making finishing 17th in the league (and winning 1st OA) more valuable than finishing 16th and making the playoffs is awful. It makes the tanking 10 times more blatant and unforgivable than it is under the current system.

Calgary and Minnesota were neck and neck for a playoff spot in the last week. They played each other in the third to last game in what was one of the must-watch games of the regular season. Calgary had to win to stay alive in the race. In this scenario, CGY fans would be rooting for them to lose and get eliminated as with only two games left in the season they could only get a maximum of four more points and be almost guaranteed of the top pick.

Once again, disastrously bad idea
Or the Calgary fans would hope for a win and chance to make a run in the playoffs, I think you drastically undervalue the competitive nature of the players if you think they will choose to forgo a chance at the cup just so they have a better draft pick to come in and potentially take their roles.
 
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