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Anyone else like to think that the Senators have 0 Cups (rather than 11)

Xspyrit said:
Well your post sounds like a load of non-sense crap to me but just to summarize, the new franchise that operates the Ottawa Senators of today thought of bringing back the team with the same name and that's all that really matters. They approached it as bringing back the Ottawa Senators (why do they use an heritage 3rd jersey from the early 1900's then?), not something else. And if you don't see it as a fact, I don't know what to say... But of course, I'm delusional and you aren't, despite the fact that you're talking about Mario Party as to prove a point... lol sorry I never played that game so I have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that you use a video game to make an analogy with reality really shows how much down-to-earth you are compared to others... :nod:

And you're talking about the Quebec Nordiques that have 2 Cups or the Montreal Canadiens that have 40, but AFAIK, Quebec Bulldogs, Montreal Wanderers and Montreal Victorias, etc were different teams... It's part of their city's history but not the team's.

Should teams lose all their history when they change owners and/or relocate?

The concencus among Sens fans seems to be that the Ottawa Senators won 11 Cups long ago, when we weren't born and the league was small, despite the fact that a new "franchise" operates the team today.

If something really bad happened in Montreal (like terrorism), and they had to move out of town for a few years, would they lose all their history when they bring back the Montreal Canadiens 10 years later? You can be sure that 99.9% of hockey fans here would defend their Cups to death

Oh nevermind, by your logic those Cups would count since it wouldn't be 20 years, (maybe 40 lol) and more... Don't you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Finally, why do you care that much? You care more about this than we do, which is the really thing only laughable about this.

Laugh all you want, but we are the ones thanking you for the entertainment.
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This part of your statement is so hilariously ironic, I can't even continue. :laugh:

So the Quebec Bulldogs share nothing similar with the Quebec Nordiques (even though one is precursor to the other) and thus cannot share championships, but the original Ottawa Senators and their successors, the modern Ottawa Senators, are the same franchise and thus MUST share the championships??

The Bulldogs and the Nordiques have about as much in common as the two Senators teams (other than name which is entirely meaningless).

Is this real life? :help:
 
EdTheSabresFan said:
This part of your statement is so hilariously ironic, I can't even continue. :laugh:

So the Quebec Bulldogs share nothing similar with the Quebec Nordiques (even though one is precursor to the other) and thus cannot share championships, but the original Ottawa Senators and their successors, the modern Ottawa Senators, are the same franchise and thus MUST share the championships??

The Bulldogs and the Nordiques have about as much in common as the two Senators teams (other than name which is entirely meaningless).

Is this real life? :help:
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The difference being that the Ottawa Senators have 11 Cups while the Quebec Nordiques have 0 Cups.

Every time I look up at the banners at CTC, I feel a surge of pride course through me for our winning pedigree.
 
rattler280 said:
Since when have we been known for getting really close to a cup?
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2007 when you crushed the Sabres en route?

I remember it all too well :shakehead

Yes yes the Sabres are chokers, I'm not denying that! Does my face look happy in my pic?

Anyways, I threw this question to the main board for all to vote and decide; I'm interested to see what people think sans bias :sarcasm:
 
I have mixed feelings about it. I kinda think that when we win our modern day cup, it will legitimize the cups in the past...
 
Sorry what i meant to say is that ottawa teams ahve won 11 stanley cups in the history of hockey, montreal and toronto teams have also won cups, they are different that habs and leafs do, so my question was shouldent we count all cups for cities?
 
Ottawa has 11 CUPS, what is wrong with some of you??????

I do NOT care when they won them, keyword is they did win them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the team name being the same then as it is today that is just a bonus.....................

Yes I know diff people owned them as in 100 yrs from now a new person will own the Senators, time does that as we only rent time here we do NOT own it. Just the way it is as we all only here a short time...............

The people of Ottawa should be proud of their 11 cups as no one can ever take them away from you.

I have 1 cup it took me 38 yrs to get my cup.... Yes I am very very proud of my cup no one can ever take that away from me ever. Long after I am gone it will still be my CUP it will be my cup forever....................

I suggest the people of Ottawa cherish their 11 cups as I cherish mine...............
 
I like to think the City of Ottawa has won 11 Cups. The Ottawa Senators franchises have won 11 Cups. The current incarnation has zero.

It really depends, and like other posters, I usually allow the current organization to 'take credit' for 11 Cups when arguing with Leaf/Habs fans who like to bring up O6 Cups.
 
dukeofjive said:
Sorry what i meant to say is that ottawa teams ahve won 11 stanley cups in the history of hockey, montreal and toronto teams have also won cups, they are different that habs and leafs do, so my question was shouldent we count all cups for cities?
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No, because some large cities like New York have boroughs that have fielded competing teams (ie New York Rangers vs. Brooklynn Americans, Rangers vs. Islanders, Maroons vs. Canadiens). It just makes more sense to argue which franchises have won more cups, as you tend to cheer for the franchise, not the city.
 
Stonewall said:
If you ask me, Original 6 teams taking credit for their Cup wins before expansion is sort of silly. They were still beating up on the expansion teams until the Flyers finally won in 74.

But still, at least all but 3 of those happened in the NHL Champion era. And the teams that won those 3 other Cups directly became the Habs and Leafs of today.
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Less teams = more competition, the titles mean just as much. Plus there were more than 6 teams, its just 6 teams lasted and are still around.
 
EdTheSabresFan said:
2007 when you crushed the Sabres en route?

I remember it all too well :shakehead

Yes yes the Sabres are chokers, I'm not denying that! Does my face look happy in my pic?

Anyways, I threw this question to the main board for all to vote and decide; I'm interested to see what people think sans bias :sarcasm:
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Hey, you beat us in 2006.
 
I never thought of us as having 11 cups. I only bring those up when leafs fans chirp us about their previous cup wins.

Still waiting for stanley #1. :scared:
 
For me, its actually a pretty clear argument;

Ottawa won the Stanley Cup 11 times.

I'm not spectacularly concerned with which franchise per se, or if they're the same one, but I consider myself a fan of the Ottawa Senators and that extends to include the barberpole, 'O' wearing Sens, who were actually pretty awesome if you take the time to read about them (for the record, not casting aspersions on anyone, simply a statement of fact)

I dunno, it ends up in splitting hairs to me. I feel a sense of civic pride in Frank Nighbor winning the first Hart Trophy (and Lady Byng but...pfft) or that Jack Adams and Art Ross played for us (amongst many Hall of Famers) or that the Stanley Cup originated here and we got drunk and punted it into the canal after beating Dawson freakin' City or being one of the original 4 NHL franchises. And I feel pride in those 11 Cups, because the Silver Seven/Senators were the first dynasty in NHL history and Ottawa is inscribed on the bowl. I'm not gonna pretend that connects with modern franchise, really,but if you're bragging to me about the 13 Cups won by, say the Toronto Arenas/St. Pats/Maple Leafs, then, sorry, I don't see a real difference. Its all just history. And I take pride in any player/team who played for Ottawa, past or present, and love that the franchise honours that past. It's all the same to me.
 
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