Anyone Else Get 2019-2020 Vibes From This Team?

[Bomber0104]

No, it doesn't show that.
Team xGF% is not the same thing as individual player on-ice xGF%, and they require very different levels of context and additional information in order to draw conclusions.

Actually it very much does show that with players who have played the bulk of the season on the Leafs, outside of Connor Timmins (16GP) Tyler Bertuzzi is number one in the all-encompasing "who can outshoot the other team closer to the net stat", otherwise known as xGF% ..

But let's not stop there, if you look at pretty much any differential stat, whether it be shot attempts, goals for/against, the blogger way of approximating "scoring chances", he is also tops or near-tops there too.

It's just so fascinating how grossly biased people are with these stats, using xGF% in single game samples for players in the PGT, but then ignore them entirely over the sample size of the entire season all just to skew an argument against players / GM's they don't like.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Actually it very much does show that with players who have played the bulk of the season on the Leafs, outside of Connor Timmins (16GP) Tyler Bertuzzi is number one in the all-encompasing "who can outshoot the other team closer to the net stat", otherwise known as xGF% .. But let's not stop there, if you look at pretty much any differential stat, whether it be shot attempts, goals for/against, the blogger way of approximating "scoring chances", he is also tops or near-tops there too. It's just so fascinating how grossly biased people are with these stats, using xGF% in single game samples for players in the PGT, but then ignore them entirely over the sample size of the entire season all just to skew an argument against players / GM's they don't like.

xGF% is a valuable metric that combines shot quantity and quality for and against, but it needs to be used correctly. You're mistaking your incorrect usage and understanding as other people's bias. There is a lot more context and situational information that is necessary when trying to take on-ice metrics that more-so evaluate groups of individuals and attribute them to specific individuals, especially when discussing players that are pretty exclusively deployed as 3rd wheels with superstars and sheltered depth. Also, part of the issue with Bertuzzi is that his conversion ability has dropped into the toilet since he broke both hands, but conversion isn't captured in that specific metric.

This is all besides the point though. What you're discussing is very different from the team xGF% that was being discussed here, which is more straightforward, as it is looking at the team performance as a whole instead of attempting to parse out individual impacts. Also important to note that much more than just xGF% showed the same conclusion about last year pre-deadline vs this year.

 

[Bomber0104]

xGF% is a valuable metric that combines shot quantity and quality for and against, but it needs to be used correctly. You're mistaking your incorrect usage and understanding as other people's bias. There is a lot more context and situational information that is necessary when trying to take on-ice metrics that more-so evaluate groups of individuals and attribute them to specific individuals, especially when discussing players that are pretty exclusively deployed as 3rd wheels with superstars and sheltered depth. Also, part of the issue with Bertuzzi is that his conversion ability has dropped into the toilet since he broke both hands, but conversion isn't captured in that specific metric.

This is all besides the point though. What you're discussing is very different from the team xGF% that was being discussed here, which is more straightforward, as it is looking at the team performance as a whole instead of attempting to parse out individual impacts. Also important to note that much more than just xGF% showed the same conclusion about last year pre-deadline vs this year.

All of this word salad nonsense aside, you managed to explain exactly nothing as far as what correct and incorrect usage of the stat is.

Basically the only thing you really said of substance was that his goal production is down and that he's playing with guys making over double his pay which for some unexplained reason negates the same on-ice results that you so often cite.

It's very hypocritical to all of the sudden ignore xGF%, Corsi, GF%, and other metrics over such large samples. I guess it's not fitting in with the story you're trying to spin about the off-season acquisitions but the fact of the matter is shot attempts, goals for/against, scoring chances, etc. are all tops or near-tops on the team.

Play isn't hurting us at all and in fact there's a mountain of evidence to suggest it's actually greatly helping, just need the puck to start falling. Everything suggests that should start happening, and perfect timing too as the regular season transitions to playoff style hockey.

 

[Dekes For Days]

you managed to explain exactly nothing as far as what correct and incorrect usage of the stat is.

Correct usage = Look at an individual's on-ice xGF% within the context of their usage/deployment/linemates/etc., and then use that information along with other player metrics, including ones that are more individualized, to evaluate an individual's impact.
Incorrect usage = All you people talking about team xGF%! Look! This player has a high 5v5 xGF%! He must be better than everybody else! If you say otherwise, you're biased!

It's very hypocritical to all of the sudden ignore xGF%, Corsi, GF%, and other metrics over such large samples.

Nobody is ignoring anything. You've just shifted from falsely proclaiming that these metrics are useless, to using a different version of them incorrectly.
Again, nobody was even discussing player/line on-ice metrics here. We were discussing team xGF% and other team metrics.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It's like a giant straw has been put into this team.

The colour all sucked out. Leaving a dull grey team. Being watched by dull grey fans.

The complacency in this fan base is mind numbing.

The excitement of just a few short years ago is gone already. All the bandwagoners jumped off after the Montreal series. Eventually no one will care again anymore.

Only a dummy like me would watch a trainwreck like this for all these years and call it entertainment.

Dummy isn't even a strong enough word for how I feel right now. Supporting these losers for so long puts me in the exact same category. Except I don't make millions of dollars.

And I actually care about the team.