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Any cities you wish had a team (not in Canada)?

There are a lot of schools that are large in enrollment, that may be powerhouses in some NCAA sports, but lacking an NCAA hockey team... however, many of them have club hockey governed by the American Collegiate Hockey Association (ACHA). The players generally have to pay to play and do not get athletic scholarships (there is some funding available occasionally), but despite this, the level of play can be pretty high. There are over 400 men's ACHA teams (split into three divisions) and about 75 women's teams (split into two divisions). I did not see Auburn on the list of current women's teams, but they could have of course had a women's ACHA team in the past.

I have personal experience with two of them (well, the second one is simply knowledge that it exists). Arizona State University's hockey program began as a "club" (i.e. not sponsored by the NCAA) team and eventually joined the ACHA at some point, probably as it formed, but I won't bore you with the details and full history by looking it up. ASU is located in my hometown and where I went to college, and by the time I started going to ASU (2004), the men's hockey team was an ACHA powerhouse, and eventually won an ACHA D1 championship in 2014. The women's team also was a D1 runner-up in 2001. Through this and its growing popularity, a big donor came in and helped pave the way for the men's team to make the jump up to being an NCAA D1 program, starting with a split ACHA/NCAA schedule in 2015-16 and then a full NCAA schedule from 2016-17 onwards. They originally played at Oceanside Ice Arena in Tempe (which is where I learned to skate as a kid, and also eventually where I started learning to play hockey), and that big donation (to the tune of $32 million) helped fund Mullett Arena, which is where the play now, and also that farcical situation where the Coyotes played there for two seasons.

Meanwhile, now that I live in Gainesville, the local university (University of Florida) has a club team, and looking it up, they're members of the Amateur Athletic Union rather than the ACHA. They won the AAU D2 national championship last year. I know very little about them other than the fact that they exist. Gainesville has no ice rinks, and although the nearest ice rink is over in Jacksonville, UF Gators hockey practices and plays at a rink that's down in the northern part of the Tampa Bay area, even though it's a bit further away than going to Jacksonville for ice time. I'm not sure why, but there's probably just some kind of scheduling conflict with limited availability for ice time. I guess it's not too big of a deal to travel a bit extra for ice time if you're already going to have to make a trip of well over an hour (it's about an hour and a half drive to Jacksonville, and a little over two hours to get to the northern part of the Tampa Bay area).
Wow. You know your shit. Lol

Don't worry about keeping it bried for my sake, I like reading up on things I know little about so it's all good to me.

It strikes me as odd that these programs exist where there is no hockey culture and these schools recruit and convince players from Canada and northern US (at least I'm assuming) to go down there to play.

When you tell locals you're a hockey fan, are they surprised?
 
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Wow. You know your shit. Lol

Don't worry about keeping it bried for my sake, I like reading up on things I know little about so it's all good to me.

It strikes me as odd that these programs exist where there is no hockey culture and these schools recruit and convince players from Canada and northern US (at least I'm assuming) to go down there to play.

When you tell locals you're a hockey fan, are they surprised?

Once I became a hockey fan, when I still lived in Arizona, the vast majority of my social circles overnight became interacting with other hockey people (especially since also I got heavily into the playing side of it, as well as officiating later on), so obviously they weren't surprised at me being a hockey fan. On the occasions I ventured outside of those social circles, I wouldn't say the locals reacted to me being a hockey fan with surprise, but they did comment on the rarity of me being into hockey.

Here in Florida, I basically just don't get out much (you could troll my activity log on this site if you wanted to and that would make it obvious that I'm kind of a terminally online person). The few social circles I do have are mainly through my church, where the congregation is on the older side of life, and a lot of them are originally from out of state (and a few are from another country). I haven't gotten any reactions of surprise when people find out I'm a hockey fan, but like I said I just don't really get out much. Sometimes I wear my Bolts jersey when I go out grocery shopping or whatever, which very occasionally results in a random passerby saying "Go Bolts!" That's pretty cool. A couple weeks ago I did that when I went to the store and I saw someone wearing a Panthers jersey, and it was the day of a playoff game against them, but we didn't say anything to each other. Also, one cool thing is that the organist at my church is from Ottawa, so he's a Senators fan, and I sing in the choir so I get to talk to him regularly, and we inevitably always start talking about hockey.

I guess that was an extremely long-winded way of saying "no, not really." :laugh:
 
I wish San Diego did. I’m from Pittsburgh/Tristate area. But I’ve been in San Diego since late 2011. The Gulls here have a very dedicated following. And even if people are not Gulls fans when I talk with a lot of locals they say things in the realm of “I get tired of having to cheer for everything LA/Anaheim. If San Diego had pro hockey I’d follow them tomorrow rather than the Kings or Ducks.”

You get a okay group of Ducks fans in San Diego but if you dig into their fandom beyond the surface. They are only fans of the Ducks because they just don’t want to cheer for LA. Or it’s because they have gone to a lot of Gulls games and like following the players when they promote.

I think given the right ownership a NHL team could work here.
 
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Once I became a hockey fan, when I still lived in Arizona, the vast majority of my social circles overnight became interacting with other hockey people (especially since also I got heavily into the playing side of it, as well as officiating later on), so obviously they weren't surprised at me being a hockey fan. On the occasions I ventured outside of those social circles, I wouldn't say the locals reacted to me being a hockey fan with surprise, but they did comment on the rarity of me being into hockey.

Here in Florida, I basically just don't get out much (you could troll my activity log on this site if you wanted to and that would make it obvious that I'm kind of a terminally online person). The few social circles I do have are mainly through my church, where the congregation is on the older side of life, and a lot of them are originally from out of state (and a few are from another country). I haven't gotten any reactions of surprise when people find out I'm a hockey fan, but like I said I just don't really get out much. Sometimes I wear my Bolts jersey when I go out grocery shopping or whatever, which very occasionally results in a random passerby saying "Go Bolts!" That's pretty cool. A couple weeks ago I did that when I went to the store and I saw someone wearing a Panthers jersey, and it was the day of a playoff game against them, but we didn't say anything to each other. Also, one cool thing is that the organist at my church is from Ottawa, so he's a Senators fan, and I sing in the choir so I get to talk to him regularly, and we inevitably always start talking about hockey.

I guess that was an extremely long-winded way of saying "no, not really." :laugh:
Long winded is good! I enjoy hearing of people's experiences, especially when they're removed from my own...


It was amazing to me to be in American cities like Nashville and only encounter a hockey culture of aby kind at the arena. I was stuck downtown most of the time but didn't see the same kind of things I'd see in Ottawa with jerseys, hats, etc the way I encountered U of T merchandise or Titans.

Funny enough, there is an NFL culture here in Ottawa. I run into NFL fans all the time (in fact, a lot more often than I do Redblacks fans). The only sport that doesn't seem to permeate is NBA, but that may change with the younger generations, especially the children of recent immigrants. I see a lot more basketball being played and NBA merchandise with that crowd
 
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I wish San Diego did. I’m from Pittsburgh/Tristate area. But I’ve been in San Diego since late 2011. The Gulls here have a very dedicated following. And even if people are not Gulls fans when I talk with a lot of locals they say things in the realm of “I get tired of having to cheer for everything LA/Anaheim. If San Diego had pro hockey I’d follow them tomorrow rather than the Kings or Ducks.”

You get a okay group of Ducks fans in San Diego but if you dig into their fandom beyond the surface. They are only fans of the Ducks because they just don’t want to cheer for LA. Or it’s because they have gone to a lot of Gulls games and like following the players when they promote.

I think given the right ownership a NHL team could work here.

SD is my chosen place for the 4th team in this next expansion wave. No NBA team, no NFL team. The winter schedule is WIDE open there with just MLB and MLS on the major pro level.

I know you've got a new arena coming at some point in the Midway Rising district currently making it's way through the legal stuff. They just did the environmental impact report, at least for the housing element of it, I think. The arena proposal is a little on the small side at 16k. Still, I think it could work really well as a smart target for the NHL.
 
I wish San Diego did. I’m from Pittsburgh/Tristate area. But I’ve been in San Diego since late 2011. The Gulls here have a very dedicated following. And even if people are not Gulls fans when I talk with a lot of locals they say things in the realm of “I get tired of having to cheer for everything LA/Anaheim. If San Diego had pro hockey I’d follow them tomorrow rather than the Kings or Ducks.”

You get a okay group of Ducks fans in San Diego but if you dig into their fandom beyond the surface. They are only fans of the Ducks because they just don’t want to cheer for LA. Or it’s because they have gone to a lot of Gulls games and like following the players when they promote.

I think given the right ownership a NHL team could work here.
The thing that stands out to me about San Diego as well is it could be a possible marketing portal into the Mexican/Mexican American market given the proximity to Tijuana. The NHL needs to pursue the Latino population; it's one of the largest and continually growing per se and as a proportion of the overall American population.

And if memory serves me right, metro San Diego is in itself 3M+? And no NBA or NFL team to compete with for the sports entertainment dollar
 
I’m going to ignore your criteria and say I want to see another team in Toronto because it would be funny.

In theory, I think two teams in Texas is a bad idea. But in reality the population continues to explode and will unquestionably be able to support another team- probably in Austin. Honestly, theres no reason they can’t put one in Houston, too. They won’t cannibalize each other and the interstate rivalries aspect would be a big draw. They get first mover advantage in Austin, too, which clearly worked for them in Vegas.
Honest question, could Texas support 4 teams, add 1 each in Austin, Houston and SA?
 
None. Nobody deserves to lose a team, ever, and I feel like I can speak authoritatively on that subject, because I had my team (the Coyotes) taken away from me.
These hockey chat forums made me have a soft spot for thr Coyotes because so many people crapped on them and obviously had no understanding of why the NHL wanted them there and why their attendance/financial situation was a result of a poor management team rather than an ability to garner interest for the team in the city- even with the success of Tampa Bay, LA, Dallas, Carolina Nashville staring them in the face
 
Honest question, could Texas support 4 teams, add 1 each in Austin, Houston and SA?
SA ans Austin may be cutting it close due to their proximity.

I would think it shrinks the local media market for both, especially with Houston not too far away either.

To me, Austin makes the most sense because there is no exiting Big 3 team there to compete with.

That whole area is wild right now though with its growth. Something around 22M in the Texas Triangle- that's half the population of Canada!
 
None. Nobody deserves to lose a team, ever, and I feel like I can speak authoritatively on that subject, because I had my team (the Coyotes) taken away from me.

People who want to see less teams feel that way for two reasons. They never think about the other side of it, including what it's like to lose a team.

The two reasons are (1) giving teams a better likelihood of winning a Cup within a fans lifetime and (2) concentrating talent on fewer teams would lead to a better product. Reason 1 is logical.

Reason 2, I have a lot harder time agreeing with. Yes, you concentrate the offensive talent, but you're also concentrating the defensive talent and goaltending. More high quality defenders on each team means better ability to execute stifling defensive systems. It's more likely we'd just see the same ebbs and flows to the game that we see today.
 
People who want to see less teams feel that way for two reasons. They never think about the other side of it, including what it's like to lose a team.

The two reasons are (1) giving teams a better likelihood of winning a Cup within a fans lifetime and (2) concentrating talent on fewer teams would lead to a better product. Reason 1 is logical.

Reason 1 is false. During the Original Six era Boston and NYR never won a Cup and Chicago only won 1. The other 22 were split between Montreal, Toronto and Detroit.

Toronto has not won a Cup since '67; yet the league was almost half it's current rise for an additional 12 years after there last win.

Sports isn't like flipping a coin; there's a reason there are odds makers for sports- not all teams are created equal
Reason 2, I have a lot harder time agreeing with. Yes, you concentrate the offensive talent, but you're also concentrating the defensive talent and goaltending. More high quality defenders on each team means better ability to execute stifling defensive systems. It's more likely we'd just see the same ebbs and flows to the game that we see today.
Talent is relative, not absolute. If you analyze scoring patterns of individual players at a league-wide level, you'll notice it stays the same.This is to say, the number of players who top 20 goals, 30 goals etc will be proportionate to overall number of players. The variance in actual scoring levels is caused by factors other than total number if players
 
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