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Prospect Info: Anton Silayev Ld 10 Overall Round 1 2024 DRAFT



It will be interesting to see if he puts up some counting stats in a lower league. It would definitely give me more confidence he has untapped potential there.

I would not count it at all. He didnt play with VHL players, has no chemistry, its a tail of the season after loss.
Much more important how he will look in the next season.

On the other hand if he will gain some points - still could be short tournament. He was productive on the start of the season and on the start of the season year ago - those points did not really show his game.
 
big game 7 with a trip to the finals on the line. again im more concerned with what hes doing at the khl level so this isnt gonna be some huge rundown, but i do value how he responds to a game like this
  • essentially looked the same, which isnt bad at all (or even guaranteed, theres some precedent for these kids going light when moving down a level). steady in the D zone, picked his spots offensively, got his pk deployments, the usual
  • as always great use of pokes/stickchecks to kill possession, but he was pretty aggressive physically too. that might be the one difference, i thought he really ramped up the hits. punishing in a way. clobbered guys at the blue line, stapled them to the boards, even launched someone into the bench (grabbed a full sequence highlight since it was a really good example of how he can make stops in all different ways: - YouTube)
  • i know puck play/pressure response is the big thing for everyone and id say it was pretty standard. had the 1 or 2 clears blocked, but i thought he was largely successful getting pucks out. couple times i wished he didnt opt to use the boards to move a puck up (and instead go for a direct pass since he wasnt giving his Fs as much time/space to work with), but he didnt get burned over it as far as i saw
  • one thing i really liked as he was defending the late lead, he wasnt just collapsing in on the net, he was still pressuring attackers and trying to cut off lanes down low. sometimes he can get himself in trouble with this, but it was well executed today and eventually led to a clear
ultimately thought he handled himself well. stuck to his role, didnt seem affected by the stakes of the game. and i mean that was a physical game from him. his hit count has been out of control at the vhl level and i wasnt sure if they were just counting stuff more liberally down there, but if this game was any indicator then no, hes just been that aggressive

i didnt really plan on having multiple vhl viewings but im sure ill check in on the championship series at some point
 
game 2, TOR up 1-0 in the series. didnt catch every shift so general impressions today
  • genuinely excellent against the rush, like particularly good. pinched in the off zone to keep pucks in, smothered into the boards in the neutral zone to pressure dump ins/turnovers, and stood up/used his stick at the blue line to deny entries. incorporated a lot of physicality again while still relying on his bread and butter (reads, timing, stick/reach)
  • steady positional game. kept tight to the net front, knew when to pressure man on man. dont think i saw him out of position/caught dropping back late even once
  • active albeit not that dangerous offensively. nothing really went anywhere but he came up as 3rd/4th man on a few rushes and was rotating around the top half of the zone during extended possessions
  • puck play. receptions/handling were pretty good, he wasnt bobbling pucks and generally got them off cleanly. i was fine with his lane selection today, nothing where you kinda knew he was gonna get picked. where i thought he most ran into trouble was gauging velocity. pucks were coming off hot and he was beating his target to the lane a lot of the time when he otherwise wouldve connected with less power on it
  • i thought he used the boards too much on breakouts today (which is where hes most at fault with the power thing) but he was also slotting on the right side way more than ive seen this season and that was one of the root problems for his breakout passing issues in his DY so perhaps an answer there
  • my other gripe was his clears werent always great today either. to his credit, nothing high danger came off a pick or anything, but there were enough times he didnt get a puck out (or did get a puck out but had it immediately picked up just outside the zone) that i thought he shouldve adjusted. i have a theory on this ill touch on in the recap post because i dont think chalking it up to just reads or just pressure is necessarily right
TOR up 2-0 now. kinda bogus they got to add this much talent to the roster mid playoffs, but whatever, we wanna see silayev win lol
 
couldnt catch the game live so i ran through his shifts today
  • didnt shy away from contact to make plays. usually its the other way around with silayev bearing down on players, but there were a number of instances of him either taking a hit to make sure he got a puck off or leaning into forecheckers/reaching around them to shovel pucks up the boards
  • assertive offensively. held pucks in at the blue line (many), pinched hard up the boards, slipped behind defenses to give himself passing lanes. very active. on the good side, i liked how he incorporated his physicality, finishing checks on players after pinching as opposed to brushing off them. on the bad side, while i liked him trying to get open, his ability to correct once covered wasnt great. essentially, if someone got in his lane, he lacked the natural instinct to get open again
  • sharing a clip of a move he made from the blue line. great poise/handling around two players to drive a dangerous scoring chance. obviously not a move hes pulling out too often at this point, but you really see the offensive incorporation coming along - YouTube
  • the hit count today is bogus. he was only credited with 2 and i saw more than that in the 1st period alone. super physical yet again today, which has been a consistent theme since late in the regular season at the khl level. another has been how tightly hes defended the crease, very difficult to match against
  • really good with his defensive stick. great pokes, great proactive stickchecks, just super disruptive. funny enough i thought his gap control against the rush in open ice was a little loose at times (specific, i know, but hes a menace closer to the boards), which probably kept the stick/reach from being even more effective today, but it wasnt a glaring issue. generally didnt give attackers much space to work with
  • he still made a couple of those goofy clears up the boards that instantly turned into icings, but i have to say...the puck play was pretty decent. better scanning/timing on his passes, didnt rely on the boards as much, had a neat volley play at one point to spring his F deep into the corner. and not so much to be used as an excuse, but his most egregious icing came at the end of a pretty long shift (just shy of 2 minutes)
great viewing, involved on both sides of the puck. TOR up 3-2 in the series and can clinch on tuesday. linking the stream ahead of time if anyone wants to watch:
 
torpedo wins!
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with his season officially wrapped up now, its time for the silayev report. the big one for the big man. might even rant a little
Silayev is not just a dominant shutdown presence, he is perhaps one of the best we’ve seen come through the draft. The player showcases an elite level understanding of the defensive position and he handles his own zone like a longtime veteran. His gap control is spectacular, he’s a complete menace in the corners fighting for pucks, his timing and anticipation are both excellent, and he defends middle ice like his life depends on it. In spite of his youth, Silayev’s defensive positioning is incredible, and every single movement he makes is deliberately calculated to suppress chances.
all still valid. i have a feeling when we look at future DFD prospects down the road, silayev is gonna be one of those benchmarks we compare to
I hinted at it before, but he’s a physical beast, too. Not quite at the level of a Stian Solberg type bully, but Silayev is an absolute nightmare for opposing forwards to go up against in puck battles. The young defender absolutely owns the ice outside the crease and is more than willing to make anyone pay for trying to drive it. And while defending the rush? He’s always ready to crunch an opposing forward trying to streak in. Now, I don’t want this to come off like he’s only ever trying to kill forecheckers, he’s great at simply finishing checks and making proactive contact to take away space, but I imagine some huge checks will be a staple of his game long term.
reading this back, obviously the physicality is great and the projection to be this punishing brute is still very much there, but i think i slightly overhyped the level it was at that time, which mightve been a recency bias thing since i came out of the khl playoffs really liking his edge. the defensive stickwork is legitimately outstanding and i think dedicating a whole paragraph to just his physicality mightve originally overshadowed that
Silayev is also an immaculate skater. Not perfect per se, his acceleration isn’t high end and his start and stop ability could use some work, but his four-way mobility is sublime and his top speed is quite fast. This is not a defender who is going to struggle against speed or get beat by cuts along the boards.
so much had been said about his skating that i probably just didnt feel like rehashing the same things over and over, but i wish i added something about his skating being elite not just for his size, and something about how great his backskating is. again, it takes about 5 seconds of viewing to figure that out for yourself, but id say the discussion is incomplete without mentioning it
And perhaps the greatest aspect to his defensive game? He does all of this in combination. Silayev applies his effortless skating, great defensive stick work, and excellent physical edge in unison to beat forecheckers in a multitude of ways. He engulfs opposing forwards like a wet blanket, dampening their attack thanks to his contact, positioning, and active stick. And reminder, he’s doing this all at the KHL level against grown men (yes I said the line), we’re not talking about him beating up on children in a junior league.

Now then, take everything I just said, and scale it up a 6’7” 207lb beast. Every single aspect of his game gets that much easier to translate, and that much more effective with his reach and frame. Getting excited yet?
i hate the term "unicorn" in prospect discourse because of how chronically overused it is (not much of a unicorn if theres 3-4 kids a year that get called one...) BUT this is ultimately why silayev kept getting called it. the point isnt just that hes a big guy who skates really well, you can find kids like that who arent discussed as one. silayev was considered a unicorn because he had this extremely advanced defensive game blending a variety of tools and reads (and a great compete level on top of it) at his size and with his skating level. that was the rarity of it. you werent trading mobility for size, or size for ability, or ability for polish. going into that draft, he was already big, mobile, toolsy, and successful in the 2nd best league in the world. that was why even the most anti-DFD/pro-offense outlets in existence still had to respect what he could offer, because these types of prospects dont come around very often
Of course, we certainly have some deficiencies to discuss, but I’ll present a bit of a caveat at the end. The biggest issue is that something changes with the player when he’s possessing the puck. The elite reads and anticipation are not always apparent. That’s not to say he doesn’t know how to handle the puck, but it feels as though, when trying to get it up to his forwards, he locks in on the first option he sees and commits to it, for better or for worse. So, sometimes you see him make sublime tape to tape passes that get a counterattack going quickly. Other times, you see him lob it straight to the other team, with our without being under pressure. Which side of him is the real one? I think there’s reason to believe in the good, he’s by no means getting lucky with the attempts that do connect, but it’s absolutely critical he open his eyes more and learn how to survey chances before committing, because he’s going to be pretty turnover prone if not.

One minor point to mention here is that Silayev, as a left shot defender, played a lot of RD this year. By no means can we use that as an excuse for his puck movement issues, very clearly you can load up tape and see him struggle from just about anywhere, but it does make it harder to get pucks up effectively when you don’t have the boards to rely on, so perhaps some of it could be influenced by that.
that point, ultimately, was not very minor lol. there are flaws ill get into shortly that still exist, but there was an instant improvement in his breakout passing ability once he moved to the left side. instant. those good moments automatically appeared more often, and he had fewer direct turnovers, as in passes straight to the opposition. some of this is an improved patience on the puck, which also was a pretty immediate DY to D+1 change in his game, but the whole LD/RD thing is a great example of why context and environmental influences need to come into play when discussing prospects. it should be expected that a teenage defender playing his weak side in that good of a league would struggle moving the puck at times. and even though i acknowledged it, im still not sure i accounted for it enough. now, there were still enough puck play concerns to where i dont think i wouldve bumped him up too much, but the breakout issues were one of the biggest things for me, so if i had believed more in the positional influence, i couldve seen him a spot or two higher on my board

allow me a minute here. i previously mentioned a theory i had developed about his puck management/turnovers that i think helps reconcile some of the inconsistencies to his game (because, truthfully, they arent always bad). ultimately, i think this is just an immaturity to his game. now, thats not to say he still doesnt botch reads or rush plays or anything, this isnt to excuse very legitimate deficiencies we observe in his game. he can make poor decisions, he can misjudge lanes, he can get sloppy, i know all of that can still happen. but, i believe, at its core, the main reason he struggles with clears/breakouts is because he has one goal in mind every time the puck enters his zone: get it out. silayev does not want the puck anywhere near his net, and if its in his control, he will make sure that thing is launched out of the zone. and this is precisely what i mean when i talk about goofy clears or unforced icings. its not that hes always being pressured on these plays, or that hes looking for stretch chances or anything. sometimes hes just launching them out for seemingly no reason. and ive seen enough good plays from him (delays, D-D passes, controlled exits before moving it, etc.) to know that this isnt how he fundamentally reads play on the puck, which is the whole point of the "believe the good" thing in the original passage

i like to think of it this way. pretend we're talking about a scoring winger instead. those types of kids love to shoot the puck. at all costs. sometimes they show really good positional instincts or drive translatable scoring lanes in the process. other times you know theyre just kind of launching it at the net for the sake of doing so. these players inevitably have to learn that the best way to set up a scoring chance isnt always just firing it on net. they need to learn that, sometimes, first passing the puck off to a linemate could be the way to tee up a high danger shooting chance. sometimes its delaying and trying to catch the goalie in motion. sometimes its cutting back to maximize the space they have to work with. the point of all of this being, thats how i view silayev on clears/breakouts. maybe launching the puck up the boards is the best chance of clearing it. maybe its not. when he intercepts a puck inside his zone, maybe he doesnt immediately have to send it back out. developing that comfort level to know he can make an additional play to lead to the clear (as opposed to forcing it himself) is, in my opinion, the biggest priority here
He's also not particularly skilled offensively, so anyone looking for points to validate the pick will be disappointed. Don’t let the historic KHL production fool you, either. He went on an (extremely unsustainable) early season hot streak that padded those numbers. Of course, that’s not to say he doesn’t offer anything offensively, his shot is relatively heavy for example, but no one should be expecting that much production. One positive, though, which could be a long-term benefit if built upon, is that his off-puck offensive zone movement shows flashes of very good ideas. This is a player who can activate, cerebrally attack pockets of space, and keep lanes open for his teammates to hit. We don’t see it a ton yet, and worse so is we didn’t even really see it in the MHL at the end of the year, but it does exist to a degree.
that off puck movement thing (which even started to turn into on puck movement/rotations over the course of the year) is so critical to how silayev involves himself offensively, it progressed exactly like i hoped it would. the game sense to join in on rushes, or slip behind coverage, or threaten up the boards...by no means is it perfect, sometimes his spacing is off, sometimes hes coming in too hot, sometimes he cant find that extra connection, etc., but theres way more intent to his offensive contributions now. hes not afraid of having the puck at the point/just trying to get it off, its not like "oh, cute, the big man wants to be involved" when hes skating up the ice. silayev is jumping up in these sequences as a viable option for the puck carrier. hes backing defenders up, hes driving the net, hes threatening rebound opportunities, and he even has some carries where hes trying to carry pucks deep up the boards or even cut from outside in to direct pucks toward the paint. and on top of all that, i look at his flashes of 3v3 and 4v4 play when he has more space to work with and i see this greater interest/comfort to up his pace of play and try more things on the puck (cut backs, dekes(!), off zone rotations) and it makes me think theres still another level to go. i dont think hes purely talented enough to forecast a big uptick in production this year (or likely to be in a role that would make it possible anyway), but i wont be surprised if theres some sort of spike, theres enough things trending in the right direction that i think he can start to piece it together. the numbers say he didnt improve at all from DY to D+1 (which in prospect land is actually considered regression), but i can assure you that would be incorrect, he was just insanely lucky to start his DY. the production this year, be it secondary points off making stops or jumping up and being part of the rush, is more...legitimate, for lack of a better description

im sorry for b2b lengthy commentaries but this is where im gonna pause to rant. i wouldnt say its the most prevalent thing, but there have been enough times, particularly when compared to someone like buium, that ive seen silayev made out to be some ogre on the puck who refuses to ever cross his own blue line and its just so wrong, i dont know why we're diminishing his game like that. no, hes not "dynamic." no, hes not the slickest passer. no, he isnt teeing up bombs from the point (actually, this did get somewhere by seasons end). but that doesnt correspond to being a bum on the offensive side of things. i mean really guys...go load up the literal last game he played, which, might i remind you, is the championship clinching game for torpedo's vhl affiliate. even on their first goal of the game youll see him fly up the ice as 4th man in, threaten a one time chance in the high slot, and then try to retrieve a puck below the opposing goal line mere moments before its sent out front for a tap in. like...i get it, hes never gonna QB one of our PP units, sorry. but silayev is the ultimate modern day DFD, which means hes still competing across all 200ft of the ice. alright, i got that out of my system now
One last issue, which I really don’t care about but bares mentioning, is that his MHL playoff showing was bad. Straight up, just burn the tape bad. Minimal offensive contribution, sloppy puck management, and not even that great of shutdown play. This doesn’t really matter to me, though. Not only is it common for KHL level talents to underperform when sent down (his teammate Artamonov did the exact same thing), but it is quite easy to believe he was fatigued at that point. And, not to mention, his KHL playoff showing was so good that it seems silly to punish him for not playing down to the junior level. Still, it had to be said.
the couple vhl viewings i had this year were fine. i thought the whole sloppy clears/reluctance to go D-D thing did appear a bit more at this level than it did in the khl, but his bread and butter game was still steady. loved the ramped up physicality, that was a nice carryover from the main squad. and its not lost on me that my favorite viewing was the last one i saw, game 5 of the championship series
Now, what’s the caveat I was discussing? Well, I’ve already mentioned it: it’s the current composition of our roster. Silayev is not coming here to be a #1 or #2 defender, we already have young defenders who project to be that. He’s coming here to be an elite #3 who plays top penalty kill and eats a heavy, heavy defensive assignment. And guess what? That makes life easier for Luke and Nemo, too. They won’t need to be deployed in those types of roles as much now. His puck management, while still important to work on, is mitigated by the fact he has two of the best young defensive puck movers in the game next to him, as well as a forward core that’s absolutely loaded with them.
im not gonna complain if he overshoots and we view him as a bigger piece than, say, nemo, but this is still one of my favorite aspects of the pick. silayev is a near perfect complement for the major pieces we already have. he elevates the teams outlook by virtue of both what he'll do himself and what he'll do for other players. if this current postseason doesnt sell you know how important he can be, i dont know what will. (should note theres a couple later sections that basically embellish this point again so im gonna skip them because this is already too long lol)
Simply put, this player should not have been available at 10. Bob’s consensus list from earlier this week did not just have him ranked 4th, it had him a near tier above all other defenders not named Artyom Levshunov. And, if we go further, he got as many votes as Levshunov did for top defender in the class. Two of my favorite outlets, Steve Kournianos and HockeyProspect, had him ranked 2nd and 5th, respectively. Every quote you can find from scouts raves about him, and if we factor in real scouting agencies, not just pie-in-the-sky armchair scouts, he was a near automatic top 5 selection. None of this is to say I bank my own opinion off of what other say, but it’s important to frame what the scouting community as a whole thinks of him.
thank god this team drafts out of russia because the value there is comical, almost every russian in that class went lower than expected. demidov 5? chernyshov day 2? cmon. honestly, if we went carolina mode and basically only ever drafted out of there, i wouldnt complain. not like most of our NA picks pan out that well anyway...
And ultimately, that’s really what it boils down to. It is unfair that a team with a future blue line as good as ours is now adding this type of player, and I imagine anyone who’s currently down on the pick will inevitably see it that way long term. If Silayev can manage a measly 30 some points a season, at his size, with his mobility and advanced defensive game, and without being a turnover merchant, he will be seen as one of the best overall defenders in the league. Guaranteed.

Thank you, Tom, for wisely keeping the pick, and addressing a clear team need in the process. I promise you there were no Anton Silayev’s available on the trade market for 10th overall. This past season was unbearably bad, but I have no doubt Silayev’s long term value to the team will help ease the pain, in retrospect at least.
i wake up every morning thankful that tom kept this pick and didnt spend it on an eiserman type prospect (sorry cole). whether this player winds up some sort of new age slavin or hes just a really solid pking 4D, its gonna be hard to overstate his importance. think about it, if hes some...erik cernak type defender, are you really that upset with the pick? even if better players went after him? theres plenty of reasons to critique toms draft strategy but this isnt one of them, even if, yes, you had buium ranked higher (like i did, too). and (i know this is kind of dumb but) i hate seeing him involved in quinn trade proposals as well. not that a player of quinns caliber shouldnt be able to command that and much more, but because these profiles dont really move, particularly for another offensively minded player, and it defeats the purpose of rounding out the blue line by opening up that void. silayev is a glue piece, if we moved him wed just spend the next however many years trying to replace him

hope you guys enjoyed this series
 
with his season officially wrapped up now, its time for the silayev report. the big one for the big man. might even rant a little

all still valid. i have a feeling when we look at future DFD prospects down the road, silayev is gonna be one of those benchmarks we compare to

reading this back, obviously the physicality is great and the projection to be this punishing brute is still very much there, but i think i slightly overhyped the level it was at that time, which mightve been a recency bias thing since i came out of the khl playoffs really liking his edge. the defensive stickwork is legitimately outstanding and i think dedicating a whole paragraph to just his physicality mightve originally overshadowed that

so much had been said about his skating that i probably just didnt feel like rehashing the same things over and over, but i wish i added something about his skating being elite not just for his size, and something about how great his backskating is. again, it takes about 5 seconds of viewing to figure that out for yourself, but id say the discussion is incomplete without mentioning it

i hate the term "unicorn" in prospect discourse because of how chronically overused it is (not much of a unicorn if theres 3-4 kids a year that get called one...) BUT this is ultimately why silayev kept getting called it. the point isnt just that hes a big guy who skates really well, you can find kids like that who arent discussed as one. silayev was considered a unicorn because he had this extremely advanced defensive game blending a variety of tools and reads (and a great compete level on top of it) at his size and with his skating level. that was the rarity of it. you werent trading mobility for size, or size for ability, or ability for polish. going into that draft, he was already big, mobile, toolsy, and successful in the 2nd best league in the world. that was why even the most anti-DFD/pro-offense outlets in existence still had to respect what he could offer, because these types of prospects dont come around very often

that point, ultimately, was not very minor lol. there are flaws ill get into shortly that still exist, but there was an instant improvement in his breakout passing ability once he moved to the left side. instant. those good moments automatically appeared more often, and he had fewer direct turnovers, as in passes straight to the opposition. some of this is an improved patience on the puck, which also was a pretty immediate DY to D+1 change in his game, but the whole LD/RD thing is a great example of why context and environmental influences need to come into play when discussing prospects. it should be expected that a teenage defender playing his weak side in that good of a league would struggle moving the puck at times. and even though i acknowledged it, im still not sure i accounted for it enough. now, there were still enough puck play concerns to where i dont think i wouldve bumped him up too much, but the breakout issues were one of the biggest things for me, so if i had believed more in the positional influence, i couldve seen him a spot or two higher on my board

allow me a minute here. i previously mentioned a theory i had developed about his puck management/turnovers that i think helps reconcile some of the inconsistencies to his game (because, truthfully, they arent always bad). ultimately, i think this is just an immaturity to his game. now, thats not to say he still doesnt botch reads or rush plays or anything, this isnt to excuse very legitimate deficiencies we observe in his game. he can make poor decisions, he can misjudge lanes, he can get sloppy, i know all of that can still happen. but, i believe, at its core, the main reason he struggles with clears/breakouts is because he has one goal in mind every time the puck enters his zone: get it out. silayev does not want the puck anywhere near his net, and if its in his control, he will make sure that thing is launched out of the zone. and this is precisely what i mean when i talk about goofy clears or unforced icings. its not that hes always being pressured on these plays, or that hes looking for stretch chances or anything. sometimes hes just launching them out for seemingly no reason. and ive seen enough good plays from him (delays, D-D passes, controlled exits before moving it, etc.) to know that this isnt how he fundamentally reads play on the puck, which is the whole point of the "believe the good" thing in the original passage

i like to think of it this way. pretend we're talking about a scoring winger instead. those types of kids love to shoot the puck. at all costs. sometimes they show really good positional instincts or drive translatable scoring lanes in the process. other times you know theyre just kind of launching it at the net for the sake of doing so. these players inevitably have to learn that the best way to set up a scoring chance isnt always just firing it on net. they need to learn that, sometimes, first passing the puck off to a linemate could be the way to tee up a high danger shooting chance. sometimes its delaying and trying to catch the goalie in motion. sometimes its cutting back to maximize the space they have to work with. the point of all of this being, thats how i view silayev on clears/breakouts. maybe launching the puck up the boards is the best chance of clearing it. maybe its not. when he intercepts a puck inside his zone, maybe he doesnt immediately have to send it back out. developing that comfort level to know he can make an additional play to lead to the clear (as opposed to forcing it himself) is, in my opinion, the biggest priority here

that off puck movement thing (which even started to turn into on puck movement/rotations over the course of the year) is so critical to how silayev involves himself offensively, it progressed exactly like i hoped it would. the game sense to join in on rushes, or slip behind coverage, or threaten up the boards...by no means is it perfect, sometimes his spacing is off, sometimes hes coming in too hot, sometimes he cant find that extra connection, etc., but theres way more intent to his offensive contributions now. hes not afraid of having the puck at the point/just trying to get it off, its not like "oh, cute, the big man wants to be involved" when hes skating up the ice. silayev is jumping up in these sequences as a viable option for the puck carrier. hes backing defenders up, hes driving the net, hes threatening rebound opportunities, and he even has some carries where hes trying to carry pucks deep up the boards or even cut from outside in to direct pucks toward the paint. and on top of all that, i look at his flashes of 3v3 and 4v4 play when he has more space to work with and i see this greater interest/comfort to up his pace of play and try more things on the puck (cut backs, dekes(!), off zone rotations) and it makes me think theres still another level to go. i dont think hes purely talented enough to forecast a big uptick in production this year (or likely to be in a role that would make it possible anyway), but i wont be surprised if theres some sort of spike, theres enough things trending in the right direction that i think he can start to piece it together. the numbers say he didnt improve at all from DY to D+1 (which in prospect land is actually considered regression), but i can assure you that would be incorrect, he was just insanely lucky to start his DY. the production this year, be it secondary points off making stops or jumping up and being part of the rush, is more...legitimate, for lack of a better description

im sorry for b2b lengthy commentaries but this is where im gonna pause to rant. i wouldnt say its the most prevalent thing, but there have been enough times, particularly when compared to someone like buium, that ive seen silayev made out to be some ogre on the puck who refuses to ever cross his own blue line and its just so wrong, i dont know why we're diminishing his game like that. no, hes not "dynamic." no, hes not the slickest passer. no, he isnt teeing up bombs from the point (actually, this did get somewhere by seasons end). but that doesnt correspond to being a bum on the offensive side of things. i mean really guys...go load up the literal last game he played, which, might i remind you, is the championship clinching game for torpedo's vhl affiliate. even on their first goal of the game youll see him fly up the ice as 4th man in, threaten a one time chance in the high slot, and then try to retrieve a puck below the opposing goal line mere moments before its sent out front for a tap in. like...i get it, hes never gonna QB one of our PP units, sorry. but silayev is the ultimate modern day DFD, which means hes still competing across all 200ft of the ice. alright, i got that out of my system now

the couple vhl viewings i had this year were fine. i thought the whole sloppy clears/reluctance to go D-D thing did appear a bit more at this level than it did in the khl, but his bread and butter game was still steady. loved the ramped up physicality, that was a nice carryover from the main squad. and its not lost on me that my favorite viewing was the last one i saw, game 5 of the championship series

im not gonna complain if he overshoots and we view him as a bigger piece than, say, nemo, but this is still one of my favorite aspects of the pick. silayev is a near perfect complement for the major pieces we already have. he elevates the teams outlook by virtue of both what he'll do himself and what he'll do for other players. if this current postseason doesnt sell you know how important he can be, i dont know what will. (should note theres a couple later sections that basically embellish this point again so im gonna skip them because this is already too long lol)

thank god this team drafts out of russia because the value there is comical, almost every russian in that class went lower than expected. demidov 5? chernyshov day 2? cmon. honestly, if we went carolina mode and basically only ever drafted out of there, i wouldnt complain. not like most of our NA picks pan out that well anyway...

i wake up every morning thankful that tom kept this pick and didnt spend it on an eiserman type prospect (sorry cole). whether this player winds up some sort of new age slavin or hes just a really solid pking 4D, its gonna be hard to overstate his importance. think about it, if hes some...erik cernak type defender, are you really that upset with the pick? even if better players went after him? theres plenty of reasons to critique toms draft strategy but this isnt one of them, even if, yes, you had buium ranked higher (like i did, too). and (i know this is kind of dumb but) i hate seeing him involved in quinn trade proposals as well. not that a player of quinns caliber shouldnt be able to command that and much more, but because these profiles dont really move, particularly for another offensively minded player, and it defeats the purpose of rounding out the blue line by opening up that void. silayev is a glue piece, if we moved him wed just spend the next however many years trying to replace him

hope you guys enjoyed this series
That's a ride to read.

He looked more polished this year. And he was dominant in his role past season. Not just glimpses or episodes or stretches. He was regularly good in important role as a regular player against harder competition than any other player who was drafted after him. May be Buium and Chernyshov we can call as more shiny examples but outside them I can't name other players who can be compared for having as good season or better. Especially for the level of competition - every prospects who was drafted year ago didn't look as good and consistent on adult level. Artamonov looked great and dynamic sometimes, sometimes he was no show, Helenius looked smart and was pain in the back, sometimes there were nothing out from him on a lower AHL level for a game after game.
That was a very good season from Silayev, I. wasn't really that happy for a pick in the day, I found peace with the fact fast, but with the season came through, I was more and more happy with Devils decision to make the choice for Anton to be a Devil. I hope Devils will save him, he is great prospect and awesome player to watch.
 
I love the prospect and think he’s going to play 100s and 100s of games here. However, I am concerned that aside from Luke and Dougie (who’s probably out this summer or next), there wasn’t a dman who was consistently able to break the puck out. If Nemec is the guy we saw last season and in the playoffs and Casey pans out, it’s not a big deal. But if neither get to the level we expect, it’s an issue. Silayev doesn’t fix that.
 
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I love the prospect and think he’s going to play 100s and 100s of games here. However, I am concerned that aside from Luke and Dougie (who’s probably out this summer or next), there wasn’t a dman who was consistently able to break the puck out. If Nemec is the guy we saw last season and in the playoffs and Casey pans out, it’s not a big deal. But if neither get to the level we expect, it’s an issue. Silayev doesn’t fix that.
We saw it from Nemec in the end of the season and in the play off, Casey has all the abilities. Orlov has this in his game too. And we can ask @Bad Goalie about Vilen and Edwards what he is thinking about it too. I wouldnt say that we have some issues as a system in this case.
 
We saw it from Nemec in the end of the season and in the play off, Casey has all the abilities. Orlov has this in his game too. And we can ask @Bad Goalie about Vilen and Edwards what he is thinking about it too. I wouldn't say that we have some issues as a system in this case.
If Nemec in the playoffs is the Nemec going forward, he will be a welcome addition as NJ regular. If he does his good play for a bit and then out to lunch where we wonder what the Hell he's doing that could be a problem.

Casey has been a top level D-man in Utica, but apparently his play in the D end has fallen off in his games with the Devils. Was that Keefe not trusting and thus putting a leash on him that resulted in a handful of minutes in most games? The original NJ thoughts were he is very good offensively but needs work on his defensive game and thus, they expected to play him this upcoming season in Utica for a full season with maybe a brief couple of looks in NJ to assess his progress. The guy's natural talent oozes when he's on the ice.

This would mean the Devils will have to bring on a base level RD to cover for the missing Kovy, who would then become #7 in NJ when Kovy returns.

Vilen is a solid left side defender who picks up points 5 on 5 as the result of his play in the offensive end. His shots are on net so available to be tipped or put back on the rebound. His passing is very good which also picks up points. Many of those passes are outlets which allow the forwards to get in to the other end for scoring chances and more assists. His assist total was #1 for the Comets.

He has played a handful of games on the right side, but he's not ready to play the right side in NJ.

Edwards was a welcome addition to the D-corps for the last 10 games after coming in from NCAA Michigan. He is also a LD. He finished +3 with 3 assists. He has an offensive side to him as well. He joins rushes, skates the puck out and up ice. Works the blue line with the puck to create open lanes for shots and passes. His skating is his biggest asset much like Casey, but he doesn't have Casey's immense skill set nor his mind for every issue that comes up without a conscious thought.. WHO DOES?

As far as numbers, currently the Comets only have 4 guys under contract.
White LD
Vilen LD
Edwards LD
Diotte RD Played 5 games with Utica and 2 with Adirondack. He was then injured and missed the rest of the season. With a total of 7 pro games played he in essence is still a rookie.
5 if Casey RD is a Comet.
Tory Dello played 14 games after the trade deadline and is a UFA.

You have mentioned Orlov and Karpovich, but is there any realistic chance either comes over this season?
Is Silayev free to sign now or is he still signed in the KHL?

NJ traded away Misyul, DeSimone, and Welinski.

Hatakka has signed with HV71 of the SHL for next season.

Utica's D cupboard has some very empty shelves.

NJ is going to have to sign some quality AHL D-men especially for the right side. We saw how weak that side was with the acquisition of Osipov and Strand and the list of tried and failed D-men : Jackson van de Leest, Kurt Gosselin, Matt Anderson, Luke Reid, and Ryan Wheeler.
 
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Silayev is an important piece of the puzzle for our near future. These kinds of Defensive D prospects do not grow on trees. There are alluring offensive D prospects in every draft lately, but these guys. And he has size, speed, skill, IQ. He cannot be traded for Quinn Hughes because as good as Quinn is, he won't move the needle for us nearly as much as Silavey likely will - that's not diminishing Quinn either.

Vilen is an interesting case because I think he needs a look in the NHL and has a better than 50% shot at being a contributing solid NHL defender. He's blocked here.

Casey will learn defense. His offense is otherworldly and that he was producing ALREADY at the NHL level is a great sign.

Orlov also looks like a balanced prospect. I like his game. Then again I liked Misyul and felt like we traded him too soon; I hope the return benefits the system.

Silayev has to be untouchable. We can make a deal for Quinn (and if it's reasonable we absolutely should) but I can't see trading Silayev.
 
If Nemec in the playoffs is the Nemec going forward, he will be a welcome addition as NJ regular. If he does his good play for a bit and then out to lunch where we wonder what the Hell he's doing that could be a problem.

Casey has been a top level D-man in Utica, but apparently his play in the D end has fallen off in his games with the Devils. Was that Keefe not trusting and thus putting a leash on him that resulted in a handful of minutes in most games? The original NJ thoughts were he is very good offensively but needs work on his defensive game and thus, they expected to play him this upcoming season in Utica for a full season with maybe a brief couple of looks in NJ to assess his progress. The guy's natural talent oozes when he's on the ice.

This would mean the Devils will have to bring on a base level RD to cover for the missing Kovy, who would then become #7 in NJ when Kovy returns.

Vilen is a solid left side defender who picks up points 5 on 5 as the result of his play in the offensive end. His shots are on net so available to be tipped or put back on the rebound. His passing is very good which also picks up points. Many of those passes are outlets which allow the forwards to get in to the other end for scoring chances and more assists. His assist total was #1 for the Comets.

He has played a handful of games on the right side, but he's not ready to play the right side in NJ.

Edwards was a welcome addition to the D-corps for the last 10 games after coming in from NCAA Michigan. He is also a LD. He finished +3 with 3 assists. He has an offensive side to him as well. He joins rushes, skates the puck out and up ice. Works the blue line with the puck to create open lanes for shots and passes. His skating his biggest asset much like Casey, but he doesn't have Casey's immense skill set nor his mind for every issue that comes up without a conscious thought.. WHO DOES?

As far as numbers, currently the Comets only have 4 guys under contract.
White LD
Vilen LD
Edwards LD
Diotte RD Played 5 games with Utica and 2 with Adirondack. He was then injured and missed the rest of the season. With a total of 7 pro games played he in essence is still a rookie.
5 if Casey RD is a Comet.
Tory Dello played 14 games after the trade deadline and is a UFA.

You have mentioned Orlov and Karpovich, but is there any realistic chance either comes over this season?
Is Silayev free to sign now or is he still signed in the KHL?

NJ traded away Misyul, DeSimone ,and Welinski.

Hatakka has signed with HV71 of the SHL for next season.

Utica's D cupboard has some very empty shelves.

NJ is going to have to sign some quality AHL D-men especially for the right side. We saw how weak that side was with the acquisition of Osipov and Strand and the list of tried and failed D-men : Jackson van de Leest, Kurt Gosselin, Matt Anderson, Luke Reid, and Ryan Wheeler.
Nemec is young. He was very good year before, he was very good in the end of the season and in the play off. He is a good young player. Not bad. Not just average. And he is young. Devils fans should stop to asking from him more than he could give in the moment. Devils fans were very forgiving in the first year of Luke Hughes when he was disaster on the blue line under the forecheck and in his own zone, he was very cold through some periods. He wasnt even very consistent this season and he is year older than Nemec. But because Nemec isnt Simon Hughes or at least Simon Smith from some Minnesota small town he is always under the linse of high expectations. And when he was bad after returning from injury people were ready to trade him for some kind of sh1t bag.
It looks stupid. People were more forgiving with older Ty Smith in his first season when he was the same disaster in d-zone as he was in his second season, people were still more forgiving with Ty Smith in his second season when he was the same disaster in D zone and done nothing in O zone.
Nemec was very good in play off against very intense Carolina team. As a 20-21 yo player.

After his words about his playing with glimps of injury I dont worry about his passive game in AHL. We saw him in NHL. And the only thing he needs is trust. He deserves it. Even if he wasnt born as Hughes or in some small town in Minnesota. All the anger after his interview was absolutely shameful from outside perspective. Taking individual quotes out of context, ignoring the situational context of a given question, ignoring cultural aspects, and lacking empathy. And all this is in relation to Devils young player, who managed to demonstrate a quality level earlier.
He got into a difficult situation with high-quality competition at the start of the season, being injured and being the youngest. And by the end of the season, even taking into account the injuries of other players, he coped with this competition, looking better than most of his partners.
 
Nemec is young. He was very good year before, he was very good in the end of the season and in the play off. He is a good young player. Not bad. Not just average. And he is young. Devils fans should stop to asking from him more than he could give in the moment. Devils fans were very forgiving in the first year of Luke Hughes when he was disaster on the blue line under the forecheck and in his own zone, he was very cold through some periods. He wasnt even very consistent this season and he is year older than Nemec. But because Nemec isnt Simon Hughes or at least Simon Smith from some Minnesota small town he is always under the linse of high expectations. And when he was bad after returning from injury people were ready to trade him for some kind of sh1t bag.
It looks stupid. People were more forgiving with older Ty Smith in his first season when he was the same disaster in d-zone as he was in his second season, people were still more forgiving with Ty Smith in his second season when he was the same disaster in D zone and done nothing in O zone.
Nemec was very good in play off against very intense Carolina team. As a 20-21 yo player.

After his words about his playing with glimps of injury I dont worry about his passive game in AHL. We saw him in NHL. And the only thing he needs is trust. He deserves it. Even if he wasnt born as Hughes or in some small town in Minnesota. All the anger after his interview was absolutely shameful from outside perspective. Taking individual quotes out of context, ignoring the situational context of a given question, ignoring cultural aspects, and lacking empathy. And all this is in relation to Devils young player, who managed to demonstrate a quality level earlier.
He got into a difficult situation with high-quality competition at the start of the season, being injured and being the youngest. And by the end of the season, even taking into account the injuries of other players, he coped with this competition, looking better than most of his partners.

He needs a full offseason of rehab and strengthening. It sounded like he never got over the shoulder injury he suffered in the Olympic qualifier.
 
Nemec is young. He was very good year before, he was very good in the end of the season and in the play off. He is a good young player. Not bad. Not just average. And he is young. Devils fans should stop to asking from him more than he could give in the moment. Devils fans were very forgiving in the first year of Luke Hughes when he was disaster on the blue line under the forecheck and in his own zone, he was very cold through some periods. He wasnt even very consistent this season and he is year older than Nemec. But because Nemec isnt Simon Hughes or at least Simon Smith from some Minnesota small town he is always under the linse of high expectations. And when he was bad after returning from injury people were ready to trade him for some kind of sh1t bag.
It looks stupid. People were more forgiving with older Ty Smith in his first season when he was the same disaster in d-zone as he was in his second season, people were still more forgiving with Ty Smith in his second season when he was the same disaster in D zone and done nothing in O zone.
Nemec was very good in play off against very intense Carolina team. As a 20-21 yo player.

After his words about his playing with glimps of injury I dont worry about his passive game in AHL. We saw him in NHL. And the only thing he needs is trust. He deserves it. Even if he wasnt born as Hughes or in some small town in Minnesota. All the anger after his interview was absolutely shameful from outside perspective. Taking individual quotes out of context, ignoring the situational context of a given question, ignoring cultural aspects, and lacking empathy. And all this is in relation to Devils young player, who managed to demonstrate a quality level earlier.
He got into a difficult situation with high-quality competition at the start of the season, being injured and being the youngest. And by the end of the season, even taking into account the injuries of other players, he coped with this competition, looking better than most of his partners.
That was my take. If his game is the one shown in the playoffs, he is set in the NJ lineup.

Casey needs some of this same type of tender love and kindness. His skill set and hockey IQ are way too valuable to be wasted as trade bait. After a season in Utica aka Nemec, they will need to live with a hiccup here and there just as they have done with Nemec and other D-men in their past. He just needs the same kind of development time frame that Nemec was given and he could end up an even better RD than Nemec. Then both would be top 6 on the right side. Casey is going to shine on some NHL team's ice and it would be shameful for it not to be in NJ.
 
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He needs a full offseason of rehab and strengthening. It sounded like he never got over the shoulder injury he suffered in the Olympic qualifier.
Kind of how we find out other guys have been playing injured during much of the season after the season ends. e.g. Bratt and Meier
Not having any idea about it, the fan base is free to dump on and eviscerate the player for failing to live up to his past play, contract, their expectations, etc.
 
That was my take. If his game is the one shown in the playoffs, he is set in the NJ lineup.

Casey needs some of this same type of tender love and kindness. His skill set and hockey IQ are way too valuable to be wasted as trade bait. After a season in Utica aka Nemec, they will need to live with a hiccup here and there just as they have done with Nemec and other D-men in their past. He just needs the same kind of development time frame that Nemec was given and he could end up an even better RD than Nemec. Then both would be top 6 on the right side. Casey is going to shine on some NHL team's ice and it would be shameful for it not to be in NJ.
I agree with Casey. Not so sure about better defenseman than Nemec, especially from two way game point of view, but he def-ly has abilities to make an impact in o zone every shift he will take.
If Kovacevic is injured for the beginning of the season and Dougie will be traded(IF), I would like to see the sign of 7th right defenseman, not fifth-six right defenseman and give Casey an opportunity to play regular role.

He needs a full offseason of rehab and strengthening. It sounded like he never got over the shoulder injury he suffered in the Olympic qualifier.

Shoulder injuries is something special in history book of Devils season. We literally can call it 2024-2025 shoulder injury season of Devils hockey.
 
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