Anton Lander

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He is lacking somewhat in faceoffs and that is something worrying. His FO% was bumped by an outlier game when he went 100% IIRC. Otherwise he'd be below 50%.

If we are fielding RNH, Drai/(McD/Eich) and Roy as top 3 C, then it would be necessary to have a C who is solid at faceoffs to back them up.

Given what you expect from a standard 4th line center, being 48-49% isn't the end of the world (in my mind), getting lower then that and it becomes a concern.

As long as he can give the Oilers 10 to 12 minutes of hard, effective and aggressive hockey, he can play the 4th line with a chance to move up as he improves.

 

[czar99]

Maybe one day fans, media and sadly Oilers managment will realize the players take TIME to develop.
No every or even most player are ready for the NHL at 19 and 20 years old

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Maybe one day fans, media and sadly Oilers managment will realize the players take TIME to develop.
No every or even most player are ready for the NHL at 19 and 20 years old

My thoughts exactly. This guy is 23 and is showing some good signs. Looking at the Detroit model for the most part their players don't see regular NHL ice time until they are in that age range.

Not to mention Lander pretty much had his feet swept out from under him by the organization right off the bat.


I've always been a fan of Lander so it's nice to see him gaining confidence and contributing.

It would be a huuuge mistake to let this guy walk at seasons end. They need to gwt him signed before another team like Detroit signs him and reaps the benefits. It would be like Glencross or Brodz all over again.

 

[czar99]

My thoughts exactly. This guy is 23 and is showing some good signs. Looking at the Detroit model for the most part their players don't see regular NHL ice time until they are in that age range.

Not to mention Lander pretty much had his feet swept out from under him by the organization right off the bat.


I've always been a fan of Lander so it's nice to see him gaining confidence and contributing.

It would be a huuuge mistake to let this guy walk at seasons end. They need to gwt him signed before another team like Detroit signs him and reaps the benefits. It would be like Glencross or Brodz all over again.

Sadly that how it'll probably play out.

 

[McDeepika]

I said it in the GDT but going by the stats, he seems to have been getting better every year. He has been a very good AHL player the last 2 years and unlike last year, it seems to be carrying over the NHL so far.

It will be interesting to see how he finishes the year. Would be huge if he turns into a player for us.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I think he has been playing really good lately. It doesn't mean that he is a lock in the lineup next year but he is really starting to look like the player I thought he was, even if he's a couple of years behind schedule. I guess we will see how things go from here on in but if Lander continues to play like this (and I am not talking only about the BUF game) he will start to look like a really good 3rd line C option imo.

Lander comments in SWE paper (or somehwere else and they just translated it...)

On scoring the goal:

Is it fair to say a few years later than expected?

He is only 23, and he was a bit of a project coming over as A) he was physically weak, and B) he possessed a decent but not elite skill-set. He was clearly a player that needed to grow and develop, and not thrust into roles, being told to sink or swim.

Not to say he is, but just for comparison's sake look at Nyquist. Prior to breaking out at 24 his stats are quite similar: lacking at the NHL level, but dominate in the AHL. Same with Nielsen, which was a comparison I threw out a few pages ago at the start of the season.


Nyquist at 23
NHL: G22, G3, A3, P6, +/-0, PIM6
AHL: G58, G23, A37, P60, +/-10, PIM34
(was also a PPG at 22 in AHL)

Nielsen at 23
NHL: G16, G2, A1, P3 +/-1, PIM0
AHL: G48, G10, A28, P38, +/-6, PIM18
0.8PPG at 22 in the AHL

Lander at 23 (so far)
NHL: G12, G1, A6, P7, +/--1, PIM4
AHL: G29, G9, A22, P31, +/--8, PIM20
Was PPG+ at 22 in the AHL

 

[Digger12]

IF Lander continues his strong play to close out these last couple months of the season, it'll be an interesting contract negotiation with him as a pending RFA who'll probably get at least some feelers from Europe, especially Sweden where he was an extremely popular player IIRC.

If you're MacT, what kind of term and avg. salary do you offer him? If his play for the rest of the year is indicative of a young guy finally figuring out his niche at the NHL level, what does that future contract look like?

I'm not saying it'll be contentious or anything, but I think that initial offer will indicate where on the food chain the Oilers view Lander.

 

[JoeCool16]

Maybe one day fans, media and sadly Oilers managment will realize the players take TIME to develop.
No every or even most player are ready for the NHL at 19 and 20 years old

Very important is that Lander understands that too. Hopefully he's seeing the progress in his game directly paying off from his time in the AHL, and will be willing to stay on the path to becoming a solid NHL player. I've always hoped he'd find a long-term spot in our bottom 6 depth as a real contributor... looks like he's getting closer and closer to that.

 

[Aceboogie]

I like Lander. He was an interesting case for sure tho, lit up the AHL and had one of the best PPGs while being elite defensively (Kopitar of the AHL) and then did squat in the NHL. I always wondered if it was the speed or style of the NHL, or the coaching (probably both). But it seems like with a coach that knows structure hes exceeding.

Its always been said Swedes play very good system hockey, so with Nelson Lander may have found his groove. I would love to keep him on the team as a #4 C or 3rd line guy who can play solid defensively but also chip in offensively

Hopefully too Mgmt sees extended AHL time does a player good. So instead of rushing Yakimov, keep him in the AHL for all next season

 

[Dazed and Confused]

IF Lander continues his strong play to close out these last couple months of the season, it'll be an interesting contract negotiation with him as a pending RFA who'll probably get at least some feelers from Europe, especially Sweden where he was an extremely popular player IIRC.

If you're MacT, what kind of term and avg. salary do you offer him? If his play for the rest of the year is indicative of a young guy finally figuring out his niche at the NHL level, what does that future contract look like?

I'm not saying it'll be contentious or anything, but I think that initial offer will indicate where on the food chain the Oilers view Lander.

2 years at 1.6-1.9 per would be my guess.

 

[Approved Variety]

Hopefully too Mgmt sees extended AHL time does a player good. So instead of rushing Yakimov, keep him in the AHL for all next season

And the next season after that, please.

 

[Aceboogie]

And the next season after that, please.

Id reevalute after next season, but unless hes PPG in the AHL playing #1c and very good defensively then absolutely.

Id like to see Nurse and Draisaitl in the AHL (unless one lights it up in camp and you cant send him down) and Hanifin too if we get him.

Maybe Eichel gets sent to the AHL as well for 10 or so games

 

[doulos]

Is it fair to say a few years later than expected?

He is only 23, and he was a bit of a project coming over as A) he was physically weak, and B) he possessed a decent but not elite skill-set. He was clearly a player that needed to grow and develop, and not thrust into roles, being told to sink or swim.

Not to say he is, but just for comparison's sake look at Nyquist. Prior to breaking out at 24 his stats are quite similar: lacking at the NHL level, but dominate in the AHL. Same with Nielsen, which was a comparison I threw out a few pages ago at the start of the season.


Nyquist at 23
NHL: G22, G3, A3, P6, +/-0, PIM6
AHL: G58, G23, A37, P60, +/-10, PIM34
(was also a PPG at 22 in AHL)

Nielsen at 23
NHL: G16, G2, A1, P3 +/-1, PIM0
AHL: G48, G10, A28, P38, +/-6, PIM18
0.8PPG at 22 in the AHL

Lander at 23 (so far)
NHL: G12, G1, A6, P7, +/--1, PIM4
AHL: G29, G9, A22, P31, +/--8, PIM20
Was PPG+ at 22 in the AHL

This is really, really interesting. Thanks for digging it up!

 

[Approved Variety]

Id reevalute after next season, but unless hes PPG in the AHL playing #1c and very good defensively then absolutely.

Id like to see Nurse and Draisaitl in the AHL (unless one lights it up in camp and you cant send him down) and Hanifin too if we get him.

Is Hanifin eligible for the AHL?

 

[dustrock]

Is Hanifin eligible for the AHL?

Never seen a definitive answer but we think so.

 

[LTIR]

2 years at 1.6-1.9 per would be my guess.

That is well above the average for a 4th liner.. The what have u done lately thinking seems to be at work..

Lander will be happy with a one-way contract... I dont expect him to make 1M\yr .. Last night was his first NHL goal in like 3 yrs.

 

[bone]

That is well above the average for a 4th liner.. The what have u done lately thinking seems to be at work..

Lander will be happy with a one-way contract... I dont expect him to make 1M\yr .. Last night was his first NHL goal in like 3 yrs.

Exactly. 1.6 is an overpay.

He's rightfully earned probably a one more year, one-way, show me contract of 1 million or less.

Next year's performance will determine what he's worth and whether it warrants a longer term and greater dollars.

He'd still have two more years of RFA so it would be a perfect time for the Oilers to decide whether he is a two more year option or a long term solution worthy of buying up UFA time now.

That said, the Oilers do wierd things so you could see a 5 year, 2M per season contract that they may want to buy out a year from now. Because Oilers.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

That is well above the average for a 4th liner.. The what have u done lately thinking seems to be at work..

Lander will be happy with a one-way contract... I dont expect him to make 1M\yr .. Last night was his first NHL goal in like 3 yrs.

Exactly. 1.6 is an overpay.

He's rightfully earned probably a one more year, one-way, show me contract of 1 million or less.

Next year's performance will determine what he's worth and whether it warrants a longer term and greater dollars.

He'd still have two more years of RFA so it would be a perfect time for the Oilers to decide whether he is a two more year option or a long term solution worthy of buying up UFA time now.

That said, the Oilers do wierd things so you could see a 5 year, 2M per season contract that they may want to buy out a year from now. Because Oilers.

Too be fair, the question was if he continues his strong play. So with that I'm working with the assumption he continues to hover around a 0.5PPG mark.


If he finishes with ~25 points in 45 games, he's going to get more than 1 million.

 

[Mr Positive]

2 years at 1.6-1.9 per would be my guess.

Lander is making 600k now. I would offer him two years with a 925k cap hit, which is the max amount you can bury in the AHL with no NHL cap hit at all. He would absolutely sign that, but I suppose if he plays like a legit 3C then we'll have to go above that.

If Katz really doesn't mind spending for the good of the team he could offer him that deal now, but it's quite risky and expensive. With the direction of the cap, I think it's worthwhile to try and cultivate a bargain contract somewhere.

 

[CornKicker]

Is Hanifin eligible for the AHL?

if he isnt i would love to convince him to play in the CHL to which ever team has his rights

 

[ohheyhemsky]

if he isnt i would love to convince him to play in the CHL to which ever team has his rights

Why not let him continue in the NCAA?

 

[bone]

Too be fair, the question was if he continues his strong play. So with that I'm working with the assumption he continues to hover around a 0.5PPG mark.


If he finishes with ~25 points in 45 games, he's going to get more than 1 million.

I'm sorry but I can't see any precedent that shows players who spent half the season in the AHL justifying closer to $2million than $1 million.

If I'm Oilers I counter the agents argument of 25 points in 45 games to 33 points in 139 career games.

The Oilers may pay more than a million as you say (wouldn't be the first time they overpaid a player needlessly), but if they do they are overpaying versus what the market would say they need to.

Scott Fraser once scored 23 points in 29 games after several successful AHL. The next year he scored 6 in 28 and disappeared forever. Granted he was a bit older, but a solid half season which is all 25 in 45 would be considered doesn't warrant big money, thus my comment of a one year "show me" contract. If he duplicates it in the full season, then start the negotiations.

 

[Approved Variety]

Why not let him continue in the NCAA?

Coming from College, he only needs to be 18 to play in the AHL

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Why not let him continue in the NCAA?

CHL vs NCAA, I agree they are both pretty close, but if he can play in the AHL (which I believe he can) he should be there. It would be better for his development.

 

[Digger12]

Scott Fraser once scored 23 points in 29 games after several successful AHL. The next year he scored 6 in 28 and disappeared forever. Granted he was a bit older, but a solid half season which is all 25 in 45 would be considered doesn't warrant big money, thus my comment of a one year "show me" contract. If he duplicates it in the full season, then start the negotiations.

IMO Fraser didn't have 1/10th the drive and professionalism that Lander brings to the table. That guy saw his spike in production as a chance to financially cash in, and once he suckered the Rangers into paying him he put up his feet and stopped caring. He'd found his finish line.

Your point does have merit, but in my mind Lander is someone I have faith that would be able to keep up his level of play, whatever that level turns out to be.