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Kudelski37 said:
The Kings need to trade Kopitar and Doughty if they want to contend this coming season. Their presence prevents the team from filling out the roster as needed to contend in the playoffs.
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This wouldn't be the case had the Kings draft picks lived up to the spots they were taken. And others hadn't been traded away.

If Byfield and Turcotte had been the type of players you expect from a #2 and #5 pick, I think Kopitar is fine in a support role similar to what Benn is doing in Dallas, the problem is at 37 he is still the teams best center.

Same thing on D, if Clarke had been developed better and Faber wasn't traded, you clearly have a well defined role for Doughty as a 2nd d-pairing and 2nd unit PP guy. Faber is doing the heavy lifting on D and Clarke is playing the PP and given match-ups his skill-set could exploit. Instead Doughty is still probably the best D on the team (close with Gavrikov).

In 2017 they could have moved on, said thanks for the cups and focused on the future.

In 2019 they could have said they were tearing it down and moved both guys

In 2021 they could have realized the picks between 2017-2020 weren't going to be the type of franchise players you might expect and that they had to look to a future well beyond those guys primes.

If they didn't move them then, it ain't happening now. The better question is whether Kopitar is going to sign another one-year deal sometime after July for the 2026-2027 season. The 2026-2027 season may be the retirement send-off for both of them.

This is where it gets scary and the long-term damage that Luc has caused can extend into a third decae. If Holland is brought in now with a win-now mandate in the final two years of 11 and 8, well expect there to be moves made that will end up setting the timeline for return to contention well into the 2030's.
 
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Schrute farms said:
You are about 4-7 years too late.
Serious or not, i'm not sure why anyone mentions Kopi as a trade. It's NEVER going to happen.
Same with Drew in that it is not happening -- unless it is Drew that wants to leave and forces their hands to trade him.
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The problem with Doughty is he sucks at defense, sucks at moving the puck, still thinks something is going to happen when he's behind the other teams net.

Do you let him tank the PP or do you deal with mopey Doughty not on the PP?

Doughty, Clarke, Spence down the right needs someone with size that can PK.

Going to hinder Clarke & Spence's development by taking opportunities away from them.

Only hope is to Lucic him this off-season.

Kopi is fine. He's not blocking anyone. Probably give someone else the C.
 
FSL KINGS said:
The problem with Doughty is he sucks at defense, sucks at moving the puck, still thinks something is going to happen when he's behind the other teams net.

Do you let him tank the PP or do you deal with mopey Doughty not on the PP?

Doughty, Clarke, Spence down the right needs someone with size that can PK.

Going to hinder Clarke & Spence's development by taking opportunities away from them.

Only hope is to Lucic him this off-season.

Kopi is fine. He's not blocking anyone. Probably give someone else the C.
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The only part of his game now that I think is entering the "he sucks" territory is his ability on the PP, Drew never should see 1st unit PP time ever again for this team. And it was damaging to Clarke to not be allowed to assume that role by now.

He doesn't suck at defense, he has fallen off a great amount, but he is still a solid 2nd pairing veteran defenseman. You are just holding him to his Hall of Fame standards he set for himself in his prime.

This is where I think Kopitar and Doughty are treated a bit unfairly, these guys will be 38 and 36 next season, they should not be expected to be a 1C and a 1D. Blame the management, development or scouting teams for not finding replacements to let them finish their careers in spots that more fit with their current skill-level.
 
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Herby said:
The only part of his game now that I think is entering the "he sucks" territory is his ability on the PP, Drew never should see 1st unit PP time ever again for this team. And it was damaging to Clarke to not be allowed to assume that role by now.

He doesn't suck at defense, he has fallen off a great amount, but he is still a solid 2nd pairing veteran defenseman. You are just holding him to his Hall of Fame standards he set for himself in his prime.

This is where I think Kopitar and Doughty are treated a bit unfairly, these guys will be 38 and 36 next season, they should not be expected to be a 1C and a 1D. Blame the management, development or scouting teams for not finding replacements to let them finish their careers in spots that more fit with their current skill-level.
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This is where I'm at. LA won't be moving those two guys even if would benefit the team long term. Kopitar would be an excellent 3C and Doughty would be a good 2nd pairing guy with both guys getting reduced minutes. Like the Sharks did with Thornton and Vlasic.

Management kept talking about building around their "new core", but never actually did that. They just kept building around Kopitar and Doughty's final cup "runs" with the new core supposedly learning. It was a complete and utter failure of the rebuild/retool that has put these two guys in the spots they aren't supposed to be. No matter who management picked or developed wasn't going to help the organization that had no plan of action when they took over.
 
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Herby said:
The only part of his game now that I think is entering the "he sucks" territory is his ability on the PP, Drew never should see 1st unit PP time ever again for this team. And it was damaging to Clarke to not be allowed to assume that role by now.

He doesn't suck at defense, he has fallen off a great amount, but he is still a solid 2nd pairing veteran defenseman. You are just holding him to his Hall of Fame standards he set for himself in his prime.

This is where I think Kopitar and Doughty are treated a bit unfairly, these guys will be 38 and 36 next season, they should not be expected to be a 1C and a 1D. Blame the management, development or scouting teams for not finding replacements to let them finish their careers in spots that more fit with their current skill-level.
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Never could shoot. Never could hold the blue line. Never could dominate physically. Never could fight.
He sure could always talk shit though.
Doughty's been mailing it in for two years at least and should have been traded five yrs ago when we could have got something for him.
They REALLY f'd up when they traded faber for ice capades fiala.
 
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chris kontos said:
Never could shoot. Never could hold the blue line. Never could dominate physically. Never could fight.
He sure could always talk shit though.
Doughty's been mailing it in for two years at least and should have been traded five yrs ago when we could have got something for him
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Lots on this resume for a guy who could 'never' do anything. This place is gold and Kontos is totally trolling.

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Luc has more solid plans for Kopi and Drew’s retirement ceremonies, jersey hangings and statue models than any cup parade route. You all know where the sure money lies, and so does Dan Beckerman.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
I'm sorry, what point are you trying to make? That FLA traded a 100-point scorer (Huberdeau)......for a 100-point scorer (Tkachuk)?

Bold move!
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Your quote: “This team had a 105 points last year, they aren't trading away their best player. FFS”

Somehow you think people are advocating trading Kempe for nothing.
 
Nasti said:
Your quote: “This team had a 105 points last year, they aren't trading away their best player. FFS”

Somehow you think people are advocating trading Kempe for nothing.
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Bro, now you are just….what do the cool kids around here call it, arguing in bad faith? You know as well as I do, the whackjob, bipolar dimension we are visiting here wasn’t looking to trade Kempe for an equal value player…it’s all prospects and picks for the magic rebuild!

(Let’s bring back ‘strawman’ too, that was fun when it was used it like every other post!)
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
Bro, now you are just….what do the cool kids around here call it, arguing in bad faith? You know as well as I do, the whackjob, bipolar dimension we are visiting here wasn’t looking to trade Kempe for an equal value player…it’s all prospects and picks for the magic rebuild!

(Let’s bring back ‘strawman’ too, that was fun when it was used it like every other post!)
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When I suggested it as something I’d do, I wanted a younger roster player with decent upside. Someone that fitted the Byfield/Clarks ‘new core’.
 
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Statto said:
When I suggested it as something I’d do, I wanted a younger roster player with decent upside. Someone that fitted the Byfield/Clarks ‘new core’.
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Exactly, and I’ll stick with my original response….what team would do that?
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
Exactly, and I’ll stick with my original response….what team would do that?
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A team that has the objectivity to know it’s not close, that knows it’s fine to regroup and use assets properly.

I said I don’t expect them to move Kempe because they still think they are ‘right there’.
 
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Listen closely Fifi to the Rat... "you've got a big nose, youre so ugly" lolol

 
Me and that one person who really likes toughness (Johnny Utah?) both were pushing heavy for Jonah Gadjovich around this time last year.

A goal and an assist in 3 playoff games for the Panthers, just had a 9 hit game in todays 6-1 win over Toronto.

Jeannot/Helenius/Gadjovich would've been a MENACE against EDM.

 
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KingsHockey24 said:
Me and that one person who really likes toughness (Johnny Utah?) both were pushing heavy for Jonah Gadjovich around this time last year.

A goal and an assist in 3 playoff games for the Panthers, just had a 9 hit game in todays 6-1 win over Toronto.

Jeannot/Helenius/Gadjovich would've been a MENACE against EDM.

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How about getting Hathaway and Ristolainen (if Gavrikov walks) from Philly? May not cost much.
 
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