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Winning more than 2 games in a playoff series is for myopic stat-watchers. We all know the real Kings fans just want the team to have lots of passion, integrity, and family.
No, the REAL fans want the team to miss the playoffs so they can throw a draft watchparty, then bitch about who the Kings picked, bitch about said players development and then continuously moan and droan on why the Kings suck so bad. Yay, good times.
 
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No, the REAL fans want the team to miss the playoffs so they can throw a draft watchparty, then bitch about who the Kings picked, bitch about said players development and then continuously moan and droan on why the Kings suck so bad. Yay, good times.
Where’s Surf?
 
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Its not a conversation for a message board, but there is more to it.

And I would say that there are plenty of players who say the exact same things about Kopitar's leadership.

But the last 4 years look an awful lot like the 09-10 and 10-11 playoffs. Early inspiration, disappeared when things got tough.

The key difference in 09-11 was that the team had a young core and you could ascribe their losses to youth and inexperience. Also, Kopitar didn’t play in that 2011 Sharks series.

I think these past few years are comparable to the 2006 team more than any other. Old, uninspired, and ultimately feckless. Also, Blake and Luc.
 
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Only two years remaining on Doughty's boat anchor contract.

Doughty has been a -18 in his last 5 playoff runs, and a -14 against Edmonton.

His days as a top pairing defenseman have come to an end, but sadly, much like Kopitar, the Kings have nobody ready to replace his minutes.
-14 in 16 games. That is Jack Johnson territory lmao.
 
Only two years remaining on Doughty's boat anchor contract.

Doughty has been a -18 in his last 5 playoff runs, and a -14 against Edmonton.

His days as a top pairing defenseman have come to an end, but sadly, much like Kopitar, the Kings have nobody ready to replace his minutes.
The Kings did fine without him second half of 22-23 and this season.. he's not an integral piece of PP1 anymore. The only reason he's around is because the Kings still market the team based on the ties to the cups... with that ridiculous motto of legacy moves us fwd. I think its clear you could improve your d-corp even with a buyout of his contract. He's tradeable with retention which would probably be about the same as the buyout - he has a 7 team NTC. Certainly you could find a much younger #2 or #3 defensive asset via FA or trade with that money.

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The Kings did fine without him second half of 22-23 and this season.. he's not an integral piece of PP1 anymore. The only reason he's around is because the Kings still market the team based on the ties to the cups... with that ridiculous motto of legacy moves us fwd. I think its clear you could improve your d-corp even with a buyout of his contract. He's tradeable with retention which would probably be about the same as the buyout - he has a 7 team NTC. Certainly you could find a much younger #2 or #3 defensive asset via FA or trade with that money.

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It really is something to consider considering the cap savings, and removing an albatross from the roster that is weighing them down heavily.

Reallocate those dollars towards Gavrikov and Kempe and their new deals.
 
The Kings may turn it around, but too me it's highly unlikely.

An old quote says "We have met the enemy and he is us" and for the Kings ownership/management group it fits perfectly right now.

My uncle was a head coach in the NHL many years ago, he said "I never faulted the players as they played to the best of their abilities, some were just better than others, the problem was, we only had the others."


If you bring in 4 like minded people, you don't need to tell them what to do, they will do it naturally. That's why you need different voices, different opinions to get the best out of everybody.

It was rumored that Blake wasn't a Lombardi choice, but a choice thrust on him by ownership at the urging of Luc. Those 2 thought the Kings could continue to challenge for a cup. And their voice coupled with visions of deep playoff runs with millions in revenue, vs. a costly teardown and possibly no playoffs for a few seasons, won over ownership.


Today it's been 8 seasons, 3 misses, 4 first round exits and what appears to be a fifth first round exit on the horizon. So that's 5 playoff series played in 8 seasons. Taylor's teams, 8 seasons 4 misses and 3 first round losses and 1 second round loss. 8 seasons 5 playoff rounds. Taylors tenure was often referred to a disaster.


Not to get political, but with the possibility all things at the store costing more, is there a better time to not get skinny and blow it up? The flip side is folks love their sports and going to a game many times it gives us all an escape from whatever is going on because we see our team win, it's a nice escape for a few hours.

Rebuilds are never a guarantee of future success, it's why owners don't like them. And some teams get into the shampoo cycle, apply, rinse and repeat.


I would like to see The French Connection and The Ingrate tossed out after what is likely another first round exit. Then bring in somebody who can navigate the waters of having to deal with 2 Kings legends.

I believe Kopitar could be packaged up with some retained salary in exchange for a pick or 2/prospects and moved and I believe he would be a fine addition to a cup challenging team in a role similar to Goring on the 80's Islanders or Trottier with the Penguins in the early 90's. But as far as our #1 center, that ship has sailed.

Doughty will be a bit more difficult, 11-mil is a big number for 2 seasons at his age. Injuries and father time have taken their toll. Maybe something can be worked out, possibly a buyout/trade/???. But that would be a hard pill to take for a home grown player who has given his heart and soul to this team.


But with what appears to be a couple of days in left the Kings season, one thing I believe will happen, nothing. The club will circle the wagons, point to an anomaly of a regular season and once again claim, we were/are right there.


Al Arbor entered the locker room, Mike Bossy's back was toast. Al told Bill Torey he felt the Islanders were done, no Bossy no more cups. Ownership held on, but after a couple of seasons Torey felt it was time to move on from that group, but ownership held on for a few seasons.

A few seasons later it was clearly over and Torey made the difficult decision to part with what he believed was the heart and soul of the team, Bryan Trottier.

Trottier was 34 when he was dealt to Pittsburgh. By that time the Islanders had spent 7 seasons chasing past glory.

Kopitar will be 38 next season and it will be 11 seasons since winning the cup in 2014.
 
It really is something to consider considering the cap savings, and removing an albatross from the roster that is weighing them down heavily.

Reallocate those dollars towards Gavrikov and Kempe and their new deals.
if I am ownership, I'd hold off on approving anything. The first thing I'd dI'd do would bring in Hockey advisor who has built a winning organization that has also won in the playoffs and have that person look at what changes need to be made.
I think after 4 straight failures especially this year with a 2-0 ( yes I dont think they come back) this group has shown the ability to put together a team that can win in the playoffs, I dont want to hear about regular seasons anymore. This style of play they've implemented has not and is not going to win. It can't be just defense and play Jacques Lemaire hockey. It has to be balanced like a Colorado, Tampa Dallas. Not a one dimensional team..
Also when you have a Mike Sullivan available who has won you go get him.
 
No, the REAL fans want the team to miss the playoffs so they can throw a draft watchparty, then bitch about who the Kings picked, bitch about said players development and then continuously moan and droan on why the Kings suck so bad. Yay, good times.
I find it hilarious that you just repeatedly trash people's opinions, never bring anything of real substance to any conversation, and then drop comments like this.

Completely ignoring or ignorant to the fact that in other threads on this board, the ones you probably don't go into, the same people you are absolutely toxic towards here, are heaping praise and love towards guys like Slukynsky, George, Greentree, and giving the Kings scouting all the credit they deserve.

You seek out the negativity and only engage with that, and it's sad. But it's also 100% on you.
 
The Kings may turn it around, but too me it's highly unlikely.

An old quote says "We have met the enemy and he is us" and for the Kings ownership/management group it fits perfectly right now.

My uncle was a head coach in the NHL many years ago, he said "I never faulted the players as they played to the best of their abilities, some were just better than others, the problem was, we only had the others."


If you bring in 4 like minded people, you don't need to tell them what to do, they will do it naturally. That's why you need different voices, different opinions to get the best out of everybody.

It was rumored that Blake wasn't a Lombardi choice, but a choice thrust on him by ownership at the urging of Luc. Those 2 thought the Kings could continue to challenge for a cup. And their voice coupled with visions of deep playoff runs with millions in revenue, vs. a costly teardown and possibly no playoffs for a few seasons, won over ownership.


Today it's been 8 seasons, 3 misses, 4 first round exits and what appears to be a fifth first round exit on the horizon. So that's 5 playoff series played in 8 seasons. Taylor's teams, 8 seasons 4 misses and 3 first round losses and 1 second round loss. 8 seasons 5 playoff rounds. Taylors tenure was often referred to a disaster.


Not to get political, but with the possibility all things at the store costing more, is there a better time to not get skinny and blow it up? The flip side is folks love their sports and going to a game many times it gives us all an escape from whatever is going on because we see our team win, it's a nice escape for a few hours.

Rebuilds are never a guarantee of future success, it's why owners don't like them. And some teams get into the shampoo cycle, apply, rinse and repeat.


I would like to see The French Connection and The Ingrate tossed out after what is likely another first round exit. Then bring in somebody who can navigate the waters of having to deal with 2 Kings legends.

I believe Kopitar could be packaged up with some retained salary in exchange for a pick or 2/prospects and moved and I believe he would be a fine addition to a cup challenging team in a role similar to Goring on the 80's Islanders or Trottier with the Penguins in the early 90's. But as far as our #1 center, that ship has sailed.

Doughty will be a bit more difficult, 11-mil is a big number for 2 seasons at his age. Injuries and father time have taken their toll. Maybe something can be worked out, possibly a buyout/trade/???. But that would be a hard pill to take for a home grown player who has given his heart and soul to this team.


But with what appears to be a couple of days in left the Kings season, one thing I believe will happen, nothing. The club will circle the wagons, point to an anomaly of a regular season and once again claim, we were/are right there.


Al Arbor entered the locker room, Mike Bossy's back was toast. Al told Bill Torey he felt the Islanders were done, no Bossy no more cups. Ownership held on, but after a couple of seasons Torey felt it was time to move on from that group, but ownership held on for a few seasons.

A few seasons later it was clearly over and Torey made the difficult decision to part with what he believed was the heart and soul of the team, Bryan Trottier.

Trottier was 34 when he was dealt to Pittsburgh. By that time the Islanders had spent 7 seasons chasing past glory.

Kopitar will be 38 next season and it will be 11 seasons since winning the cup in 2014.
Rebuilds are not uncommon, but you will never find one on the heels of a 105-point season.
 
I find it hilarious that you just repeatedly trash people's opinions, never bring anything of real substance to any conversation, and then drop comments like this.

Completely ignoring or ignorant to the fact that in other threads on this board, the ones you probably don't go into, the same people you are absolutely toxic towards here, are heaping praise and love towards guys like Slukynsky, George, Greentree, and giving the Kings scouting all the credit they deserve.

You seek out the negativity and only engage with that, and it's sad. But it's also 100% on you.
I'm pretty heavy handed with that ignore button. If you aren't here to have good faith argument, call people names, or just rude in general, you are out of my hfboards life.
 
Verbeek has been GM for part of the 2022 season and now 23, 24, and 25. Bottomed them out in '23 and '24, leading to drafting 2nd and 3rd overall. Moved a former 6OA for Gauthier who just put up 20 goals in his first season. 21 point improvement in 2025.

It looks to be coming together finally.
Longest playoff drought in the NHL outside of Buffalo and Detroit.

No end to the drought in site.
Most of their draftees look mediocre.
No one wants to sign there.

At least they finally got rid of the worst uniforms in professional North American sports.
 
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Longest playoff drought in the NHL outside of Buffalo and Detroit.

No end to the drought in site.
Most of their draftees look mediocre.
No one wants to sign there.

At least they finally got rid of the worst uniforms in professional North American sports.

I don't know about the mediocre draft picks part. What are you basing that on? Does Gauthier not count since he technically wasn't their own pick?

Gauthier scored 20G as a 20 y/o rookie in his D+3, amazingly without spending a second learning their system and paying his dues in San Diego. (someone notify Glen Murray and let him know we have another McDavid caliber player in the division!)

Carlsson in his D+2 put up 20G and 45 points as a 19/20 year old

Both players play a well rounded game, Carlsson especially, he has Selke upside long-term, very good game sense in all three zones

Both players got better as the season went along.

Gauthier had 15G in the 2nd half of the year
Carlsson had 11/15/26 in 28 games after the 4 Nations

Both players return next season as potential breakout players on ELC's (what a novel concept!)

The only negative I will say about Carlsson is I think the Ducks messed by not taking Fantilli. Carlsson has a better two-way game but Fantilli has Rocket Richard upside, just such a rare trait to be able to skate and shoot the way he does. I am happy the Ducks ended up with Carlsson and Sennecke and not Fantilli and Demidov. Those two playing together would have been a nightmare.

I'm not really a big McTavish fan myself, I don't think he warranted the capital used on him, but 22G and 52 pts with some solid intangibles and likely a future captain. He's a few months younger than QB and they had similar production. He probably ends up as a pretty good 2C behind Carlsson. Not ideal for a top 3 pick but not horrible.

Lacome who is the same age as Spence and Turcotte, 15 goals as a defender, seems pretty impressive to me, and the favorite Duck of our old friend SurfNutz, who said he was "clearly better than Brock Faber". How can you argue against the expert analysis of SN?
 
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Well, I hate to say it, but I'm coming to the end of the line. I've been a fan since 2000 and had several years with season tickets and multiple visits to the Pond for Duck Roasts. With the games starting at 10:30 on the east coast it's harder to keep up, but I probably watched 70 games either live or recorded this season and every playoff game so far. I've been critical of the team but always maintained hope. It's redundant to say, but the fatal error was made after the 2021 season when the team exited the rebuild one season too early. The Kings are paying the price for that still today, and it looks like there is no way to unwind that mistake, particularly with the current regime.

Meanwhile, I look at what the genius Bill Zito has done in Florida. Forsling, Bennett, Verhaege, Rodrigues, Mikola, Schmidt all rescued off the scrap heap. Tkachuk fleeced away from Calgary (thank you, no state income tax) and Reinhart stolen from Buffalo. This added to a core led by Barkov, a younger and more physical version of Kopitar. Strategic acquisitions like Jones and Marchand. These guys have to be the favorite to repeat. Strong management makes a difference.

If the Kings stick with Bluc, I'm done. Moving to South Carolina has been a blessing in more ways than I can count. The Kings are my last link now to California. Perhaps it is time to finally say goodbye...
 
Well, I hate to say it, but I'm coming to the end of the line. I've been a fan since 2000 and had several years with season tickets and multiple visits to the Pond for Duck Roasts. With the games starting at 10:30 on the east coast it's harder to keep up, but I probably watched 70 games either live or recorded this season and every playoff game so far. I've been critical of the team but always maintained hope. It's redundant to say, but the fatal error was made after the 2021 season when the team exited the rebuild one season too early. The Kings are paying the price for that still today, and it looks like there is no way to unwind that mistake, particularly with the current regime.

Meanwhile, I look at what the genius Bill Zito has done in Florida. Forsling, Bennett, Verhaege, Rodrigues, Mikola, Schmidt all rescued off the scrap heap. Tkachuk fleeced away from Calgary (thank you, no state income tax) and Reinhart stolen from Buffalo. This added to a core led by Barkov, a younger and more physical version of Kopitar. Strategic acquisitions like Jones and Marchand. These guys have to be the favorite to repeat. Strong management makes a difference.

If the Kings stick with Bluc, I'm done. Moving to South Carolina has been a blessing in more ways than I can count. The Kings are my last link now to California. Perhaps it is time to finally say goodbye...
Goes further than management, it’s good ownership. Panthers have an involved owner that cares about winning and hiring the right people.

You look at the Capitals, Golden Knights, Avalanche etc they are run by good owners that are invested (not just in dollars) but actually have a personal interest in winning. The Kings are run like a corporation, as long as they are making money that’s all they care about. None of the AEG clowns are embarrassed that we’re blowing it for the fourth straight year to the Oilers because of the viral harmonica club that did the national anthem for game one.

AEG is beating that horse to death on their socials. They think it’s great and that makes the season for the AEG clowns.
 
If y'all lose to the Oilers again, would you entertain a Drake Batherson + deal for Adrian Kempe?
Would we? Sure, but a fair number of us want the Kings to trade everyone over 25 and rebuild properly.

Would the Kings? Probably not, and even more doubtful if Blake and Luc stick around. They firmly believe this team can contend, or are at least trying to sell fans on that idea.
 
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I don't think LA wins tonight, and if that happens, Hiller has to be gone, he can't survive that big of a f***up in Game 3, that CLEARLY altered this series.

Not to say he's a bad coach, I think he did a really good job, but you can't make THAT mistake, in this time, after knowing the history of the past 4 years..... Someone said Sullivan, he's not the answer either, not sure who is.

After that, does Blake go? I don't know, should he go? again, I don't know, part of me is, yea, it's getting stale, the other is, feels like he JUST got a handle on things, (bringing in Edmonson, Jeannot, etc) but that's about a dozen years too late....possibly, question really is, if Blake goes, who replaces him, Bergergvin? If that's the case, he needs to stay......who else would replace Blake? Maybe Rittich or Keumper pull a Snow?
 
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