Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024-25 season thread)

[kovacro]

Jeebus, that 2019 class is tough to look at, but hey, we got Fagemo back on waivers!! yeah!

2019:
1st Round, 5th overall: Alex Turcotte
1st Round, 22nd overall: Tobias Bjornfot (WAIVED)
2nd Round, 33rd overall: Arthur Kaliyev (WAIVED
2nd Round, 50th overall: Samuel Fagemo (WAIVED)

Something to lift spirits...On this day in 2009, the Kings acquired Mr. Game 7.

Justin Williams traded to L.A. Kings

COBOURG - Cobourg’s National Hockey League star has been traded.

www.northumberlandnews.com

How the Kings Acquired Mr. Game 7

How a low risk, high reward paid off for the Kings

thehockeynews.com

 

[AbsentMojo]

There's no real benefit to having local media take management to task. If there was, Canadian teams would be more successful than they are.

That seems like a causation/correlation mistake. Plenty of other reasons could explain it - for example only 7 out of 32 teams are Canadian.. Theyve made the finals quite a few times last 20 yrs, so its not like they arent competitive. I think having a strong press increases the likelihood of thwarting silly narratives like 'we were right there' from being taken seriously by the fanbase - and thus making the front office more accountable. On the downside, It could also be an incentive for the FO to make hasty decisions like Toronto esp has... so I guess it could cut both ways.

 

[Magicman]

Kopitar looked done, Doughty looked slow, Fiala played like his bags are already packed and Kings looked like a rudderless ship. Poor asset management has placed the Kings in a position to once again have no internal options to look at. It's trade or bust.

Bottom 4 in the conference, get worked in the first round and picking 20th in the draft does not bode well for the Kings near future.

Gimmie a Job Luc and Blake the Ingrate have destroyed the club. They all need to go.

I canceled my season seats a few years ago and I got an e-mail asking why, in part I responded...

..I fully understand being loyal, and at times loyal to a fault, but what has happened cannot continue. You don't have a real leadership group, you have a group of friends ruining their rich uncles toy....

 

[Lt Dan]

Kopitar looked done, Doughty looked slow, Fiala played like his bags are already packed and Kings looked like a rudderless ship. Poor asset management has placed the Kings in a position to once again have no internal options to look at. It's trade or bust.

Bottom 4 in the conference, get worked in the first round and picking 20th in the draft does not bode well for the Kings near future.

Gimmie a Job Luc and Blake the Ingrate have destroyed the club. They all need to go.

I canceled my season seats a few years ago and I got an e-mail asking why, in part I responded...

..I fully understand being loyal, and at times loyal to a fault, but what has happened cannot continue. You don't have a real leadership group, you have a group of friends ruining their rich uncles toy....

Well said

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Want to see how incompetent the Kings are? Look at their first and second round selections under the current regime, and how many of them they've blown completed and turned into wasted assets. Of course the best selections they ever made are now flourishing elsewhere.

2017:
1st Round, 11th overall: Gabe Vilardi (TRADED)
2nd Round, 41st overall: Jaret Anderson-Dolan (WAIVED)

2018:
1st Round, 20th overall: Rasmus Kupari (TRADED)
2nd Round, 51st overall: Akil Thomas

2019:
1st Round, 5th overall: Alex Turcotte
1st Round, 22nd overall: Tobias Bjornfot (WAIVED)
2nd Round, 33rd overall: Arthur Kaliyev (WAIVED
2nd Round, 50th overall: Samuel Fagemo (WAIVED)

2020:
1st Round, 2nd overall: Quinton Byfield
2nd Round, 35th overall: Helge Grans (TRADED)
2nd Round, 45th overall: Brock Faber (TRADED)

2021:
1st Round, 8th overall: Brandt Clarke
2nd Round, 42nd overall: Francesco Pinelli
2nd Round, 59th overall: Samuel Helenius

2022:
2nd Round, 51st overall: Jack Hughes

2023:
2nd Round, 54th overall: Jakub Dvorak

2024:
1st Round, 26th overall: Liam Greentree
2nd Round, 57th overall: Carter George


Jury is out on the more recent selections, so they won't be under a microscope, but Jack Hughes in 2022 is a major disappointment, as are a good majority of the other 2nd round selections. Their best pick in the second round was traded, as was their best pick in the 1st round.

That is a masterclass in awful asset management. This regime should be fired.

Not arguing that management has done any good here, but the draft is always a crap shoot when drafting 18 years olds. It happens in all sports, excluding the NFL because they draft kids that are 21+ and you more or less know the product you're getting from the college game. You could probably go through 90% the teams in the league and it would look fairly similar to LA's drafting.

The problem is how LA molds the prospects after they draft them. They draft someone that plays a certain style of game and then try to mold them in this weird "team system" box. If someone doesn't fit into that box, than they try to take the good parts of their game out that make them special (the parts they were drafted for), so they can fit better in the box. Which hurts the development of the prospect and makes the drafting of them look bad. Then LA goes out and trades for/gets the older UFA vets that fit that box molds (with less talent) who are already developed a certain way and this is what we get. A team that struggles to score, is unathletic, has no special talents, and has older players blocking the prospects from actually playing to develop.

This management and style need to be fired ASAP before they do anything more idiotic or LA actually starts a real rebuild.

 

[Herby]

Want to see how incompetent the Kings are? Look at their first and second round selections under the current regime, and how many of them they've blown completed and turned into wasted assets. Of course the best selections they ever made are now flourishing elsewhere.

2017:
1st Round, 11th overall: Gabe Vilardi (TRADED)
2nd Round, 41st overall: Jaret Anderson-Dolan (WAIVED)

2018:
1st Round, 20th overall: Rasmus Kupari (TRADED)
2nd Round, 51st overall: Akil Thomas

2019:
1st Round, 5th overall: Alex Turcotte
1st Round, 22nd overall: Tobias Bjornfot (WAIVED)
2nd Round, 33rd overall: Arthur Kaliyev (WAIVED
2nd Round, 50th overall: Samuel Fagemo (WAIVED)

2020:
1st Round, 2nd overall: Quinton Byfield
2nd Round, 35th overall: Helge Grans (TRADED)
2nd Round, 45th overall: Brock Faber (TRADED)

2021:
1st Round, 8th overall: Brandt Clarke
2nd Round, 42nd overall: Francesco Pinelli
2nd Round, 59th overall: Samuel Helenius

2022:
2nd Round, 51st overall: Jack Hughes

2023:
2nd Round, 54th overall: Jakub Dvorak

2024:
1st Round, 26th overall: Liam Greentree
2nd Round, 57th overall: Carter George


Jury is out on the more recent selections, so they won't be under a microscope, but Jack Hughes in 2022 is a major disappointment, as are a good majority of the other 2nd round selections. Their best pick in the second round was traded, as was their best pick in the 1st round.

That is a masterclass in awful asset management. This regime should be fired.

You know why so many end up being waived and not traded?

Because the Kings ridiculous slow-cook/AHL heavy ideology on prospects makes it where they have no idea what they have or don’t have, right up until the time they are waiver eligible.

Not only does it damage the ceiling of guys like Byfield and Clarke, but it damages the trade-value of picks who weren’t as good like Turcotte and Kupari.

Of the guys you listed, the only ones who would return the same pick or better if they were traded today are

Faber (other team)
Vilardi (other team)
Greenteee (junior age)
George (junior age)

And the two junior age guys, it’s only because they haven’t entered the Kings archaic development system. If these clowns are in charge next season we will probably see Greentree get the same stupid treatment Clarke got in his age 19 season, periodically playing and then being sent down to their beloved AHL for conditioning assignments. Then he’ll be sent back to the OHL after the WJC, destroy the league, only to start his age 20 season in the AHL, “paying his dues” and “learning the system” while comparable players are getting valuable NHL time, making it more likely they are ready to seriously contribute at 21 or 22, rather than going through what Clarke is going through because a lack of NHL games.

But hey, just like with media relations, the Kings are “just different” and everyone else is doing it wrong. What was it Yanetti said to Pravda, Detroit and Ottawa are just getting something like “instant gratification, over long-term success” well damn I’d love some Tim Stutzle, Lucas Raymond and Jake Sanderson instant gratification right about now. But hey, I’m sure all of those guys would have ended up better players had they spent a season in Ontario, right?