Wholly depends on the payer difference between 4 and 3. I think it's *vast*, especially if Byfield slips past LA. What are you going to sell the rest of the cap for? Some late round firsts who have a statistically miniscule chance of being stars? Vastly different if the team just needed bodies, but I'd move all sorts of stuff to up my legitimate chances at getting an elite player. Again, if you don't think Stutzle is really any better than Raymond or Drysdale, fine, I can buy that to stay at 4. But in nearly every ranking I've seen, the top 3 this year are on a completely different tier than the next grouping, and include two guys who can likely play the position we've organizationally failed at filling for years. For a team that has, what, 3 guys who are going to need a meaningful contract in the next three years and has no business signing anything but fill-in FAs, there's plenty of spare cap to go around.
Proposal: Another Pick In The Hull: OTT + DET + BUF
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Wholly depends on the payer difference between 4 and 3. I think it's *vast*, especially if Byfield slips past LA. What are you going to sell the rest of the cap for? Some late round firsts who have a statistically miniscule chance of being stars? Vastly different if the team just needed bodies, but I'd move all sorts of stuff to up my legitimate chances at getting an elite player. Again, if you don't think Stutzle is really any better than Raymond or Drysdale, fine, I can buy that to stay at 4. But in nearly every ranking I've seen, the top 3 this year are on a completely different tier than the next grouping, and include two guys who can likely play the position we've organizationally failed at filling for years. For a team that has, what, 3 guys who are going to need a meaningful contract in the next three years and has no business signing anything but fill-in FAs, there's plenty of spare cap to go around.
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Name a 2c that buffalo can sign with Okposo leaving ? Haula who's a 3c and we'd have to overpay for ? come on this convo is pointless you're just making your argument as we go. It's so stupid, your move is terrible everyone person who follows buffalo knows it's terrible, we're NOT in a cap crunch quite the opposite actually. no need to throw away the 8oa pick to get rid of okposo to then overpaid for a 3c like haula to play 2c in buffalo. so pointless
8oa + Prospects? value wise could get us Domi Monahan maybe cirelli if he shakes loose from tampa.
stepan/copp could be traded for as stop gaps
Deal is trash get over it
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Cirelli, Domi/Danault, Monahan (give or take). And there are at least a half dozen middle 6 Cs we could get for a song because of their cap hits and the flat cap (e.g., Stepan).
Cap space is of absolutely no value if we can't use it. Free agents don't want to come to Buffalo even when the team is good. And we have a shitload of cap space already even with Okposo on the books. Oh, and you might want to check this free agent class for that 2C you think we can use that space to sign, because he ain't there.
Moving Okposo has no value at all to the Sabres right now, much less the 8th overall pick. I don't know why you insist on dying on this hill.
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Oh brother, so we trade down 13 spots just to dump a contract! Holy stupid thing to do.
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Mikael Granlund could probably be had at a discount after the year he just had in Nashville...
Otherwise, Cozens should be up with the big club next season... pencil him in as the 2C
MarkusKetterer
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Granlund is a 3C. And I want Cozens on this team as a 2C in one instance: he forces it to happen. Or I guess also a 9-game trial, but that’s not really pencilling him there.
Regardless your proposal relies on only 1 thing: get Ottawa 3 top 10 picks. That’s all you care about without regards to any other teams needs, or wants.
EG: Larkin to the Sabres for #8 + Mitts (or Thompson or Johnson or Samuelsson) works for the Sabres and Wings (if they see their rebuild taking longer). Tierney + 2nd for Montour + 2nd (swap of 2nds if there’s a perceived discrepancy) works between Sabres and Sens. Fabbri + 2nd for Norris + 2nd and pick swap of #3 & #4 works between Sens and Wings.
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Just one man's opinion, but I think the asking price for Larkin would be Cozens + #8...
MarkusKetterer
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MarkusKetterer
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Could be. But it doesn’t mean it’s what he’s worth. Could be worth more, could be worth less depending on what happens in the future
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Granlund put up 185 points over his last 221 games with Minnesota, so he could certainly qualify as a 2C...
And then he can slide down to 3C when Cozens is ready for 2C duties
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MarkusKetterer
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Because the Sabres plan is that Mitts or Cozens is the eventual 2C. So either Granlund becomes an overpaid 3C OR the Sabres eventually lose him to Seattle. And then they find themselves looking for a 2C again until Mitts or Cozens eventually takes that spot.
The Sabres want a young 23-26 year old 2C. So basically (listed in my preferred order [not saying they’re available]) Cirelli, Larkin, Horvat, Tierney, McCann, Copp, White, Roslovic, D. Strome.
If not, someone who is older, can play 2C, and will not have to be protected in the expansion draft OR will not be that much of a loss is fine.
You clearly watched approximately zero sabres games. Nice hot take
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Granlund is 28, so he's got a few more years left of his prime...
What kind of contract are you expecting for Granlund?
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Except that he's a winger. He's as much an answer to Buffalo's 2C problems as Marcus Johansson was, i.e., not.
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That's the idea though... if Ottawa gives up Stutzle/Byfield, it'll have to be for something worthwhile
You mean the roster that can't make the playoffs? There's like 3 people they should keep
