Bartkowski a -4 and Weber a minefield in his own zone....and both on expiring contracts....could Pedan really be any worse?...or even Subban?....right now I'd take anybody on the second-unit pp.
Recalled/Assigned: Andrey Pedan re-assisnged to Utica (Jan 12)
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I don't mind letting Pedan be a big minute guy in Utica for a bit longer. He needs to play as much as possible, he's missed to much time already. I've got no faith Willie would play him enough to make putting him in the line up worthwhile.
The key is, at what point (hopefully before the TDL) Benning realizes that this is not a playoff team. The games in hand situation is hurting us; every team in the conference that is close to us in either the divisional or wildcard race as 2 or 3 games in hand except for Colorado and Winnipeg. Even after the win in Carolina, we site 2 points out of the last wildcard slot and behind San Jose and Arizona in the divisional race, but both have games in hand on us.
If Benning can figure out that we are on the outside looking in, he would waive Bartkowski (who sucks hard) and Weber (who also sucks), trade Hamhuis as soon as he is healthy and elevate Pedan and Fedun. Finishing the season with Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Sbisa, Biega, Pedan and Fedun is probably no worse and maybe better than our current D. But at least it gives the younger guys some valuable NHL experience.
Then you trade Vrbata and Prust and call up Gaunce and/or Shinkaruk.
There's another factor rapidly working its way into the equation...the Canadian dollar....if the dollar tanks to 59 cents U.S. as many are predicting, Nucks might have to be big-time sellers at the deadline...and there's no way the owner is going to want to be spending to the cap maximum like he is now.....so tell me again that spending $6m U.S. for essentially a backup goaltender was a good idea.
yeah, it'd be nice to give Fedun a longer look but no way in heck is Benning ditching his 2 UFA dmen signings.
We'll be lucky if he doesnt extend them...
Relax guys. Linden already said they won't allow ufas to be gone for nothing. Either resigned or traded. Weber played so bad that he got scratched. Bart and Weber are being showcased. So is vey. Pedan will get playing time in utica. Once everyone is cleared out. Him and tryamkin will play post feb with the big club. Why the panic boys. Benning is not afraid of trading his mess ups. Point I what's best for the club.
Other than your comment about trading Hamhuis, if we're truly on the outside looking in and you're saying not that they'd be better but that Fedun and Pedan wouldn't be any worse, why make a move at all?
Fedun is 27.
Pedan is developing nicely and quickly in Utica. He still makes mistakes but far fewer than when he came to the Comets last season. He isn't quite ready for the NHL-as WD said in the postgame press conference after Pedan's first game, while he was good he made mistakes. There's no need to rush him and he's not so advanced that he's beyond learning in the AHL.
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me2
Go ahead foot
Because getting an extended look at them in the NHL would let you know where you stand "going forward". If Pedan is good you are set for one spot next year, if he struggles well waivers beckons next year and you have to go shopping in the offseason.
Etc.
Etc.
Exactly, you never really know where a player is at until you see them against NHL competition. Both Pedan and Fedun are physically (and in the case of Fedun, mentally/emotionally) mature enough to not be overwhelmed by the NHL. The only way you ruin a player by 'rushing' them to the NHL is if they are physically over matched, or if you heap ridiculous pressure on them too soon. Neither seems to be likely with these players.
If our defense was:
Edler Tanev
Hutton, Biega
Sbisa, Pedan/Fedun
They would be seeing fairly protected, 3rd pariing minutes.
Additionally, if the team is clearly out of the playoff race (a concession you have to admit when you trade Vrbata, Hamhuis and Prust, and waive Bartkowski and Weber), then it's up to the coaching staff to make it a safe learning environment.
ItalianCanuck1
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I'm not sold on him.
I think he's playing really bad hockey since he was called up from Utica. Too many turnovers, mistakes in the defensive zone.
I don't know if it's the whole team situation or simply he's not ready.
I think he's playing really bad hockey since he was called up from Utica. Too many turnovers, mistakes in the defensive zone.
I don't know if it's the whole team situation or simply he's not ready.
Kickassguy
High-End Intangible
Does not look like an NHL player to me.
His footwork and mobility are clumsy and not NHL calibre, he processes the game slowly, and makes too many careless mistakes. And it isn't like there's a lot of skill there to compensate.
Another example of Benning scouting tools instead of ability and competence, especially when it comes to defenders.
His footwork and mobility are clumsy and not NHL calibre, he processes the game slowly, and makes too many careless mistakes. And it isn't like there's a lot of skill there to compensate.
Another example of Benning scouting tools instead of ability and competence, especially when it comes to defenders.
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I'm just hoping it's an adjustment period and he's playing nervous because he's made some boneheaded mistakes, also isn't the smoothest skater when it comes to pivoting.
From what I've seen/read on him in Utica, he actually "earned" this call up so this is disappointing.
DL44
Status quo
Benefit of the doubt for now... You just hope he takes a step coming into camp.. which is 5-6 months from now.
7 gms of NHL experience. about 120 AHL gms... There's definitely a lot of development time left for him.
You just hope he can take a significant step by the time September rolls around to earn that roster spot reserved for him.
7 gms of NHL experience. about 120 AHL gms... There's definitely a lot of development time left for him.
You just hope he can take a significant step by the time September rolls around to earn that roster spot reserved for him.
He was shopping both of them at the deadline and got nothing (predictably). They both most certainly walk at the end of the season.
WTG
December 5th
Yeah, he's the same age as Corrado and I'd be equally pissed off if we dumped him after such a short stint here too.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
The worst and most out-of-place looking player I've seen at the NHL level since Sauve.
A liability literally every shift. Would be a lot more comfortable with Corrado or Clendening, and neither of those are NHL players. That's telling something.
Logic and common sense suggests Tryamkin and Subban have passed him once next season starts. Like Biega and Hutton completely outplayed Corrado (and would've outplayed Clendening aswell) last camp.
A liability literally every shift. Would be a lot more comfortable with Corrado or Clendening, and neither of those are NHL players. That's telling something.
Logic and common sense suggests Tryamkin and Subban have passed him once next season starts. Like Biega and Hutton completely outplayed Corrado (and would've outplayed Clendening aswell) last camp.
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Do we really consider 5'9" 177lb Jordan Subban will be an NHL defenseman? I've never understood the hype. All the skill in the world won't keep him from being pasted into the boards. He's not PK.
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