Player Discussion: Andrei Vasilevskiy - Part 2

[OffBy1]

He gave up one bad goal tonight.

How many goals did Tampa score?

None in three periods, and if Vasy did give them their only goal, we would have gone to overtime and still had a chance for a bounce to finally go our way, because we were outplaying them tonight.

FL plays excellent team defense, so giving up even one bad goal can be the difference and it was tonight. Vasy had one or two bad ones the previous game as well, but the skaters played much worse, so I don't put that one on him. We need him to make the timely, big saves that keeps his team in the game.

 

[Master P]

None in three periods, and if Vasy did give them their only goal, we would have gone to overtime and still had a chance for a bounce to finally go our way, because we were outplaying them tonight.

FL plays excellent team defense, so giving up even one bad goal can be the difference and it was tonight. Vasy had one or two bad ones the previous game as well, but the skaters played much worse, so I don't put that one on him. We need him to make the timely, big saves that keeps his team in the game.

Lol
Lmao even

 

[Peacefool]

None in three periods, and if Vasy did give them their only goal, we would have gone to overtime and still had a chance for a bounce to finally go our way, because we were outplaying them tonight.

FL plays excellent team defense, so giving up even one bad goal can be the difference and it was tonight. Vasy had one or two bad ones the previous game as well, but the skaters played much worse, so I don't put that one on him. We need him to make the timely, big saves that keeps his team in the game.

The worst thing was that he gave up this softie while we were killin FLA in attack, yes we had bad luck, but we were pushing and buzzin and than clear shot from blue line and a goal, this things pull oxigen from the guys. Even though we should score, this softie was really really bad and in worst time.

 

[Coopers Gum]

I won't say Vasy has been the sole reason for trouble, but yeah, the untimely soft goals certainly don't help. We carried play until that goal last night. Then started playing like trash. A shot from the blue line from a guy pretty wide open is one a goalie of Vasy's talent level should have, 100/100 times.

 

[Peacefool]

I won't say Vasy has been the sole reason for trouble, but yeah, the untimely soft goals certainly don't help. We carried play until that goal last night. Then started playing like trash. A shot from the blue line from a guy pretty wide open is one a goalie of Vasy's talent level should have, 100/100 times.

first game 11 shots 5 goals (yes there were redirections and bad luck) second game softie, and its 3rd year in a row. Dude need to find a way to help team to win. (Yes F needs to score) but he needs to be better too

 

[Hoek]

 

[Peacefool]

He showed up today and like for 55 minutes of game 2, I hope he will maintain hes play and help us to win

 

[The Macho King]

Vezina finalist for like... fifth time I think?

 

[aylib]

Up for Vezina, I guess

 

[ultra63]

He showed up today and like for 55 minutes of game 2, I hope he will maintain hes play and help us to win

56 minutes last night of good play

 

[T REX]

VASY craps the bed again...THREE sub .900 playoffs in a row...either he sucks or cooper sucks...we need changes...no more excuses

 

[JoVel]

Could've been worse, Hellebuyck the Hart winner is f***ing useless in the playoffs

 

[Stammertime91]

Could've been worse, Hellebuyck the Hart winner is f***ing useless in the playoffs

Atlanta Thrashers in disguise. The only cool thing about them is that everybody gets the memo to whiteout the stands. Apart from that, they and their players suck.

I expect St. Louis to win game 7, but if not, Dallas is going to win that series and do it easily.

 

[Sky04]

Could've been worse, Hellebuyck the Hart winner is f***ing useless in the playoffs

All that proves is its never worth investing that much in a goalie.

 

[Peacefool]

All that proves is its never worth investing that much in a goalie.

Vasy won us 2 cups, so sometimes it pays off

 

[DFC]

VASY craps the bed again...THREE sub .900 playoffs in a row...either he sucks or cooper sucks...we need changes...no more excuses

I think those numbers are skewed by Game 1. I'm big on the "sometimes you've got to stop the Grade A chances too" theory, but we really hung him out to dry on those goals.

To me the big issue is everyone in the top6 is either small or plays small. We need a new Palat, or at least a Killorn. I think if we could add that we can still get a few beast mode kucherov playoffs.

 

[Sky04]

I think those numbers are skewed by Game 1. I'm big on the "sometimes you've got to stop the Grade A chances too" theory, but we really hung him out to dry on those goals.

To me the big issue is everyone in the top6 is either small or plays small. We need a new Palat, or at least a Killorn. I think if we could add that we can still get a few beast mode kucherov playoffs.

Palat didn't play "big" there's some weird misunderstanding of his game, he's literally no different than Hagel. Palat was more of a skilled guy then a power forward. I doubt Palat-Point-Kucherov work in 2025 anyways, the size upgrade needs to come from a center, Guentzel and Hagel are much better than Palat and Killorn were anyways, the obvious weakness here is out centers suck.

 

[DFC]

Palat didn't play "big" there's some weird misunderstanding of his game, he's literally no different than Hagel. Palat was more of a skilled guy then a power forward. I doubt Palat-Point-Kucherov work in 2025 anyways, the size upgrade needs to come from a center, Guentzel and Hagel are much better than Palat and Killorn were anyways, the obvious weakness here is out centers suck.

He didn't play big, but he did much it out a lot. Hagel tends to win battles with speed, where Palat definitely played a stronger game. I would never call Palat a power forward (or even Killorn for that matter), but I don't see a whole lot of similarity between him and Hagel in terms of style. They kind of get the same results, except Hagel is significantly better offensively, probably because of the extra gear.

 

[Hoek]

I think those numbers are skewed by Game 1. I'm big on the "sometimes you've got to stop the Grade A chances too" theory, but we really hung him out to dry on those goals.

To me the big issue is everyone in the top6 is either small or plays small. We need a new Palat, or at least a Killorn. I think if we could add that we can still get a few beast mode kucherov playoffs.

In the end Vasi only really saved one less goal than expected. Consider how many times we left an opponent wide open right in front of him and that's unreasonable to expect him to stop every single one of those. Bob only saved one goal above expected so it's not like he got significantly outperformed, and neither of them are remotely as awful as Hellebuyck has been, he's like 7 below.

 

[Zwui21]

Despite what the GAA or expected saves say, Vasy wasn't the problems this playoffs. Beside the softie he left in (in game 2) he was mostly a lot reliable and gave the team a chance to win each game.
If we got bounced like schmucks, it's not because of him IMO.

 

[DFC]

Despite what the GAA or expected saves say, Vasy wasn't the problems this playoffs. Beside the softie he left in (in game 2) he was mostly a lot reliable and gave the team a chance to win each game.
If we got bounced like schmucks, it's not because of him IMO.

Yeah. I mean, there's definitely an argument that, at 9.5, we need more. But that was true of our entire core.

Vasy was fine, IMO. The problem was mainly that we aren't as good as Florida anymore.

 

[Sky04]

Despite what the GAA or expected saves say, Vasy wasn't the problems this playoffs. Beside the softie he left in (in game 2) he was mostly a lot reliable and gave the team a chance to win each game.
If we got bounced like schmucks, it's not because of him IMO.

It's a collective problem and he was definitely part of it, that Seth Jones floater from the blue line in game 4 sealed it for them. Him, Point and Kucherov have the highest caphits on the team, none of them performed to par.

 

[Rschmitz]

Palat didn't play "big" there's some weird misunderstanding of his game, he's literally no different than Hagel. Palat was more of a skilled guy then a power forward. I doubt Palat-Point-Kucherov work in 2025 anyways, the size upgrade needs to come from a center, Guentzel and Hagel are much better than Palat and Killorn were anyways, the obvious weakness here is out centers suck.

I beg to differ, he played much bigger in game than his physical stats would lead you to believe, came up with the puck along the boards in the majority of 50-50 battles and knew how to protect it once he had it. The Hagel comparison is weird to me, they have similarities but two very different play styles. How aggressive they are alone is a pretty stark contrast, Palat was postionally aware and opportunistic while Hagel relies on his speed to recover if he makes a mistake.

 

[LightningStrikes]

I beg to differ, he played much bigger in game than his physical stats would lead you to believe, came up with the puck along the boards in the majority of 50-50 battles and knew how to protect it once he had it. The Hagel comparison is weird to me, they have similarities but two very different play styles. How aggressive they are alone is a pretty stark contrast, Palat was postionally aware and opportunistic while Hagel relies on his speed to recover if he makes a mistake.

Both are puck magnets though in the sense that it’s hard to separate them from the puck / get by them without losing the puck.

 

[Rschmitz]

Both are puck magnets though in the sense that it’s hard to separate them from the puck / get by them without losing the puck.

Agreed, but with respect to the topic of being a power forward, I do think Palat fits into that category a lot more than Hagel. Not like a Kreider, but in other more nuanced areas. While often injured and not a regular season dynamo, he provided that balance of meat and potatoes yet skilled production we need in the postseason