Andre Kostitsyn?!?

[the]

Tell me the rumours!!

 

[HabsQC]

 

[ZUKI]

Tell me the rumours!!

witch one you wish to read ? tell me

 

[ZUKI]

the kid was having some skills , but both him and his brother didn't top 40 with their IQ.

 

[ZUKI]

It's funny because, pre draft, Grant told us that Getzlaf was on Timmins' short list and this board was not happy. The general consensus was that if you can't score a point per game in your draft year, you don't have top line upside. People didn't want another Turner Stevenson or Jason Ward.

Red Line magazine were puting AK first overall selection of the draft if his health problem could be resolved (epileptic if i am correct)

 

[the]

witch one you wish to read ? tell me

The whole darkest day in history debacle or any juicy rumours during that timeframe.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We could have had both and won multiple cups. You don't build a team around a goalie that's just foolish. You get goalies fo free or draft them low. Halak would have won us some cups if we had offense. Ah well the past is the past, I'm just happy that we finally have some offense and we don't play to protect the loss anymore

The problem isn’t that we built around a goalie. The problem is that we DIDN’T build around him.

Insane that we didn’t win a cup during that stretch considering the talent we had. But we brought onboard a terrible GM and awful coaches. That was all she wrote.

Meanwhile Getzlaff’s GM went out and got… Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne.

Gee, I wonder if we could’ve won with those guys in front of Price.

Totally stupid to read people bitch about the Price pick. Esp when they cherry-pick a player taken several picks later. Brule went after Price for Pete’s sake.

 

[ZUKI]

The whole darkest day in history debacle or any juicy rumours during that timeframe.

sorry it's against the forum rules to talk about private player's life

 

[Treb]

I wonder what it would be like if we redid all the drafts since 1988 by selecting the player that was drafted right after the habs pick in the first round.

L 1989: Bust vs Kevin Haller
W 1990: Turner Stevenson vs Bust
L 1991: Bust vs Glen Murray
W 1992: David Wilkie vs Bust
W 1993: Saku Koivu vs Anders Eriksson
T 1994: Brad Brown vs Chris Dingman
L 1995: Terry Ryan vs Kyle McLaren
W 1996: Matt Higgins vs Bust
L 1997: Jason Ward vs Marian Hossa
L 1998: Eric Chouinard VS Martin Skoula
1999: NA
W 2000: Ron Hainsey vs Bust
W 2000: Marcel Hossa vs Bust
W 2001: Mike Komisarek vs Pascal Leclaire
W 2001: Alexander Perezhogin vs Jason Bacashihua
W 2002: Chris Higgins vs Bust
L 2003: Andrei Kostitsyn vs Jeff Carter
L 2004: Kyle Chipchura vs Lauri Korpikoski
W 2005: Carey Price vs Gilbert Brule
L 2006: Bust vs Bobby Sanguinetti
W 2007: Ryan McDonagh vs Lars Eller
W 2007: Max Pacioretty vs Jonathon Blum
2008: NA
L 2009: Louis Leblanc vs Chris Kreider
L 2010: Jarred Tinordi vs Mark Pysik
W 2011: Nathan Beaulieu vs Mark McNeill
W 2012: Alex Galchenyuk vs Griffin Reinhart
L 2013: Mike McCarron vs Shea Theodore
L 2014: Nikita Scherbak vs Nikolay Goldobin
L 2015: Noah Juulsen vs Jacob Larsson
W 2016: Mikhail Sergachev vs Tyson Jost
L 2017: Ryan Poehling vs Jake Oettinger
L 2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi vs Brady Tkachuk
W 2019: Cole Caufield vs Alex Newhook
W? 2020: Kaiden Guhle vs Lukas Reichel

16-17 wins, 15 losses, 1 tie

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The whole darkest day in history debacle or any juicy rumours during that timeframe.

That whole thing was so messed up.

 

[ZUKI]

L 1989: Bust vs Kevin Haller
W 1990: Turner Stevenson vs Bust
L 1991: Bust vs Glen Murray
W 1992: David Wilkie vs Bust
W 1993: Saku Koivu vs Anders Eriksson
T 1994: Brad Brown vs Chris Dingman
L 1995: Terry Ryan vs Kyle McLaren
W 1996: Matt Higgins vs Bust
L 1997: Jason Ward vs Marian Hossa
L 1998: Eric Chouinard VS Martin Skoula
1999: NA
W 2000: Ron Hainsey vs Bust
W 2000: Marcel Hossa vs Bust
W 2001: Mike Komisarek vs Pascal Leclaire
W 2001: Alexander Perezhogin vs Jason Bacashihua
W 2002: Chris Higgins vs Bust
L 2003: Andrei Kostitsyn vs Jeff Carter
L 2004: Kyle Chipchura vs Lauri Korpikoski
W 2005: Carey Price vs Gilbert Brule
L 2006: Bust vs Bobby Sanguinetti
W 2007: Ryan McDonagh vs Lars Eller
W 2007: Max Pacioretty vs Jonathon Blum
2008: NA
L 2009: Louis Leblanc vs Chris Kreider
L 2010: Jarred Tinordi vs Mark Pysik
W 2011: Nathan Beaulieu vs Mark McNeill
W 2012: Alex Galchenyuk vs Griffin Reinhart
L 2013: Mike McCarron vs Shea Theodore
L 2014: Nikita Scherbak vs Nikolay Goldobin
L 2015: Noah Juulsen vs Jacob Larsson
W 2016: Mikhail Sergachev vs Tyson Jost
L 2017: Ryan Poehling vs Jake Oettinger
L 2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi vs Brady Tkachuk
W 2019: Cole Caufield vs Alex Newhook
W? 2020: Kaiden Guhle vs Lukas Reichel

16-17 wins, 15 losses, 1 tie

MODs, can you please ban this member ; he violently hurts all the members of this board

 

[L4br3cqu3]

the kid was having some skills , but both him and his brother didn't top 40 with their IQ. No education, no desire to learn, deep idiots

Sergei had pretty good hockey IQ actually, just was undisciplined as hell, in-and-out of the rink. Andrei was a tank with great hands, but yeah, half the time he was floating...

Your last part wasn't necessary.

 

[JHabs]

L 1989: Bust vs Kevin Haller
W 1990: Turner Stevenson vs Bust
L 1991: Bust vs Glen Murray
W 1992: David Wilkie vs Bust
W 1993: Saku Koivu vs Anders Eriksson
T 1994: Brad Brown vs Chris Dingman
L 1995: Terry Ryan vs Kyle McLaren
W 1996: Matt Higgins vs Bust
L 1997: Jason Ward vs Marian Hossa
L 1998: Eric Chouinard VS Martin Skoula
1999: NA
W 2000: Ron Hainsey vs Bust
W 2000: Marcel Hossa vs Bust
W 2001: Mike Komisarek vs Pascal Leclaire
W 2001: Alexander Perezhogin vs Jason Bacashihua
W 2002: Chris Higgins vs Bust
L 2003: Andrei Kostitsyn vs Jeff Carter
L 2004: Kyle Chipchura vs Lauri Korpikoski
W 2005: Carey Price vs Gilbert Brule
L 2006: Bust vs Bobby Sanguinetti
W 2007: Ryan McDonagh vs Lars Eller
W 2007: Max Pacioretty vs Jonathon Blum
2008: NA
L 2009: Louis Leblanc vs Chris Kreider
L 2010: Jarred Tinordi vs Mark Pysik
W 2011: Nathan Beaulieu vs Mark McNeill
W 2012: Alex Galchenyuk vs Griffin Reinhart
L 2013: Mike McCarron vs Shea Theodore
L 2014: Nikita Scherbak vs Nikolay Goldobin
L 2015: Noah Juulsen vs Jacob Larsson
W 2016: Mikhail Sergachev vs Tyson Jost
L 2017: Ryan Poehling vs Jake Oettinger
L 2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi vs Brady Tkachuk
W 2019: Cole Caufield vs Alex Newhook
W? 2020: Kaiden Guhle vs Lukas Reichel

16-17 wins, 15 losses, 1 tie

PAIN.

 

[ZUKI]

Sergei had pretty good hockey IQ actually, just was undisciplined as hell, in-and-out of the rink. Andrei was a tank with great hands, but yeah, half the time he was floating...

Your last part wasn't necessary.

I was talking about IQ, not hockey IQ ( i would have used the words ice vision instead )

Sorry for the last part, it was bad and will edit

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The problem isn’t that we built around a goalie. The problem is that we DIDN’T build around him.

Insane that we didn’t win a cup during that stretch considering the talent we had. But we brought onboard a terrible GM and awful coaches. That was all she wrote.

Meanwhile Getzlaff’s GM went out and got… Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne.

Gee, I wonder if we could’ve won with those guys in front of Price.

Totally stupid to read people bitch about the Price pick. Esp when they cherry-pick a player taken several picks later. Brule went after Price for Pete’s sake.

At the time I wanted Kopitar badly. I admitt Price was an excellent goalie but what Habs needed top pick was a top center like Kopitar, especially after missing Getzlaf and Carter. Kopitar have 1088 pts in career, plz have respect for that great center. He's not a random center, a journeyman center who had just a couple of good years. He's still playing at his age. Tonight he have 3 assists vs Sens. At the time Habs picked Price, they had Theodore, Garon and Halak. They had after Huet and Aebisher. It's not they were desperate picking a goalie. They already had good goalies. But at center they only had Koivu who was aging. Who was the post Koivu era at center in their plans?

But to answer why Habs did not get Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne, like Anaheim did, this follow a logic. They were good drafting the same year Getzlaf and Perry so it wasn't luck. They were smart enough to get the players you mentioned. At the time, Habs had what they had. Habs didn't worked enough, the scout staff was a bunch of friends, lazy, eating cheezeburgers with fries with ketchup, lol. Price, Paccioretty and Subban were the only home-runs (but not grand chelem). Price being the only top 5 pick and Subban and Paccio being second round picks. What happened with all the firsts round picks? All those years. Developpment? ... give me a break. A bad pick is a bad pick.

You can not separate putting all the attention on a goalie and not surrounding that goalie with talent. For me, it's the modus operandi of the Habs in the Gainey years, it was following the Houle years. And if Bergevin was picked it was because he was fitting in that enterprise culture, it was the continuation. Just a different face, another name with about the same type of players and coaches. A proof? Bergevin hired two ex coach of the Gainey era : Therrien and Julien.

But I think today with Gorton and Hughes we can see a real change of culture.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

The problem isn’t that we built around a goalie. The problem is that we DIDN’T build around him.

Insane that we didn’t win a cup during that stretch considering the talent we had. But we brought onboard a terrible GM and awful coaches. That was all she wrote.

Meanwhile Getzlaff’s GM went out and got… Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne.

Gee, I wonder if we could’ve won with those guys in front of Price.

Totally stupid to read people bitch about the Price pick. Esp when they cherry-pick a player taken several picks later. Brule went after Price for Pete’s sake.

To each their own. Of course Price should have won cups, we had all the pieces in place when the idiot came in, we were missing 1 centerman and 1 sniper, it was time to sell the farm but the idiot said "I'm not trading our picks, les jeunes y poussent" they were all duds and the picks all useless. I agree that Price should have won cups here. It's just my preference, I would have built the team differently from the start. I love what Price did here and I hate that we pissed him away. The idiot will for ever live in infamy for what he did to us.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

At the time I wanted Kopitar badly. I admitt Price was an excellent goalie but what Habs needed top pick was a top center like Kopitar, especially after missing Getzlaf and Carter. Kopitar have 1088 pts in career, plz have respect for that great center. He's not a random center, a journeyman center who had just a couple of good years. He's still playing at his age. Tonight he have 3 assists vs Sens. At the time Habs picked Price, they had Theodore, Garon and Halak. They had after Huet and Aebisher. It's not they were desperate picking a goalie. They already had good goalies. But at center they only had Koivu who was aging. Who was the post Koivu era at center in their plans?

But to answer why Habs did not get Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne, like Anaheim did, this follow a logic. They were good drafting the same year Getzlaf and Perry so it wasn't luck. They were smart enough to get the players you mentioned. At the time, Habs had what they had. Habs didn't worked enough, the scout staff was a bunch of friends, lazy, eating cheezeburgers with fries with ketchup, lol. Price, Paccioretty and Subban were the only home-runs (but not grand chelem). Price being the only top 5 pick and Subban and Paccio being second round picks. What happened with all the firsts round picks? All those years. Developpment? ... give me a break. A bad pick is a bad pick.

You can not separate putting all the attention on a goalie and not surrounding that goalie with talent. For me, it's the modus operandi of the Habs in the Gainey years, it was following the Houle years. And if Bergevin was picked it was because he was fitting in that enterprise culture, it was the continuation. Just a different face, another name with about the same type of players and coaches. A proof? Bergevin hired two ex coach of the Gainey era : Therrien and Julien.

But I think today with Gorton and Hughes we can see a real change of culture.

We drafted a HOFer who at his peak was the best player in the league. There nothing to be unhappy about except the organization’s management and some very ill times injuries. I would take Price again without a doubt. But even if people think Kopitar would’ve been a better pick… you have to cherry pick him from seven slots later. It’s so stupid.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

To each their own. Of course Price should have won cups, we had all the pieces in place when the idiot came in, we were missing 1 centerman and 1 sniper, it was time to sell the farm but the idiot said "I'm not trading our picks, les jeunes y poussent" they were all duds and the picks all useless. I agree that Price should have won cups here. It's just my preference, I would have built the team differently from the start. I love what Price did here and I hate that we pissed him away. The idiot will for ever live in infamy for what he did to us.

Again, several players were drafted in between. The Canadiens probably take Brule next. It’s silly.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The problem isn’t that we built around a goalie. The problem is that we DIDN’T build around him.

Insane that we didn’t win a cup during that stretch considering the talent we had. But we brought onboard a terrible GM and awful coaches. That was all she wrote.

Meanwhile Getzlaff’s GM went out and got… Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne.

Gee, I wonder if we could’ve won with those guys in front of Price.

Totally stupid to read people bitch about the Price pick. Esp when they cherry-pick a player taken several picks later. Brule went after Price for Pete’s sake.

Come on. Pronger alone was the most valuable player from 2005-2010 in the NHL. He proved that singlehandedly taking three teams to the SCFs.

Getting Pronger was probably not possible regardless who you put in the GM chair. Unclear Pronger would have accepted coming to MTL.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

We drafted a HOFer who at his peak was the best player in the league. There nothing to be unhappy about except the organization’s management and some very ill times injuries. I would take Price again without a doubt. But even if people think Kopitar would’ve been a better pick… you have to cherry pick him from seven slots later. It’s so stupid.

It's not so stupid because Kopitar and the Kings won two Stanley Cups and Kopitar is HOF material too.
Don't need to pick a goalie #5 total, go for the HOF center. Kings picked Quick at second round and he was allright for them.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

LG should be happy about Réjean Tremblay today. Tremblay says he have great admiration for Price and he quote in french that "Price n'est pas un taouin qui vit dans une bulle fermée". The thing is, I don't know how to translate "taouin". The closest I found in french is nigaud, whitch is close to stupid. Nigaud can be translated by simpleton, booby or ninny. So that would translate like Price is not a simpleton who live in a close bulb.
Here is the link :

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www.journaldemontreal.com

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's not so stupid because Kopitar and the Kings won two Stanley Cups and Kopitar is HOF material too.
Don't need to pick a goalie #5 total, go for the HOF center. Kings picked Quick at second round and he was allright for them.

1. At no point in his career was Kopitar close to being the best player in the league. Carey Price was. And he was well on his way to a 2nd straight Hart Trophy before getting hurt. Injuries messed with Prices career as they came at terrible times in 2014 and 2016. But you can’t predict that.

2. It’s easy to say HOF center now. But he was picked outside the top 10. It’s stupid to cherry pick him.

3. LA won cups because they had good teams and didn’t have a moron behind the bench. Carey Price did everything one player could to make his team competitive. He made a last place club into a first place contender. You only have to look at the 2016 season with/without him to see this.

So, YES we drafted the right guy. No we did not do enough to support him. And it’s absolutely stupid to complain that we didn’t draft a guy who you’re cherry-picking as a HOF center.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

1. At no point in his career was Kopitar close to being the best player in the league. Carey Price was. And he was well on his way to a 2nd straight Hart Trophy before getting hurt. Injuries messed with Prices career as they came at terrible times in 2014 and 2016. But you can’t predict that.

2. It’s easy to say HOF center now. But he was picked outside the top 10. It’s stupid to cherry pick him.

3. LA won cups because they had good teams and didn’t have a moron behind the bench. Carey Price did everything one player could to make his team competitive. He made a last place club into a first place contender. You only have to look at the 2016 season with/without him to see this.

So, YES we drafted the right guy. No we did not do enough to support him. And it’s absolutely stupid to complain that we didn’t draft a guy who you’re cherry-picking as a HOF center.

So if you were the Kings you would draft Price and ignoring Kopitar and Quick? You as the Kings scout team would pick who as your center and future captain? You think a center who have 1088 pts in career is so easy to find? You think if we switch Price and Quick as starting goalies for Team Canada and Team USA, Team Canada would lost and Team USA would have won?

What do you prefer?
1. A team with Price and Desharnais or Gomez, Eller or Galchenyuk at center
2. A team with Kopitar at center with Quick or Halak or Theodore in the goals?

I mean, the gap between the quality of Price vs Quick Theo, Halak is not as huge compared to the gap between Kopitar vs Gomez, DD, Eller or Galchenyuk.

You're almost insulting Anze Kopitar, the player, the person and the captain. 1091 pts !!!!!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So if you were the Kings you would draft Price and ignoring Kopitar and Quick? You as the Kings scout team would pick who as your center and future captain? You think a center who have 1088 pts in career is so easy to find? You think if we switch Price and Quick as starting goalies for Team Canada and Team USA, Team Canada would lost and Team USA would have won?

What do you prefer?
1. A team with Price and Desharnais or Gomez, Eller or Galchenyuk at center
2. A team with Kopitar at center with Quick or Halak or Theodore in the goals?

I mean, the gap between the quality of Price vs Quick Theo, Halak is not as huge compared to the gap between Kopitar vs Gomez, DD, Eller or Galchenyuk.

You're almost insulting Anze Kopitar, the player, the person and the captain. 1091 pts !!!!!

Quick was taken in the third round! There’s no way they knew he’d be a great goalie. This is an even worse Cherry-pick than the Kopitar one was.

So yeah, I would rather draft Kopitar AND Quick than just Carey Price. But now you’re comparing two players vs one. If it’s just Kopitar vs Price it’s Carey Price for sure. At no point was Kopitar ever as impactful as Price was. Kopitar wasn’t even the best player on his team. He’ll be a HOFer and was a great two way player - great pick! But never close to being the best player in the game.

And again, it’s totally silly to do this. You’re talking like they knew Quick was going to be a star he was drafted 72nd….

Why not just talk about how we should’ve drafted Lidstrom or Hasek?

 

[EXPOS123]

At the time I wanted Kopitar badly. I admitt Price was an excellent goalie but what Habs needed top pick was a top center like Kopitar, especially after missing Getzlaf and Carter. Kopitar have 1088 pts in career, plz have respect for that great center. He's not a random center, a journeyman center who had just a couple of good years. He's still playing at his age. Tonight he have 3 assists vs Sens. At the time Habs picked Price, they had Theodore, Garon and Halak. They had after Huet and Aebisher. It's not they were desperate picking a goalie. They already had good goalies. But at center they only had Koivu who was aging. Who was the post Koivu era at center in their plans?

But to answer why Habs did not get Niedermayer, Pronger, Selanne, like Anaheim did, this follow a logic. They were good drafting the same year Getzlaf and Perry so it wasn't luck. They were smart enough to get the players you mentioned. At the time, Habs had what they had. Habs didn't worked enough, the scout staff was a bunch of friends, lazy, eating cheezeburgers with fries with ketchup, lol. Price, Paccioretty and Subban were the only home-runs (but not grand chelem). Price being the only top 5 pick and Subban and Paccio being second round picks. What happened with all the firsts round picks? All those years. Developpment? ... give me a break. A bad pick is a bad pick.

You can not separate putting all the attention on a goalie and not surrounding that goalie with talent. For me, it's the modus operandi of the Habs in the Gainey years, it was following the Houle years. And if Bergevin was picked it was because he was fitting in that enterprise culture, it was the continuation. Just a different face, another name with about the same type of players and coaches. A proof? Bergevin hired two ex coach of the Gainey era : Therrien and Julien.

But I think today with Gorton and Hughes we can see a real change of culture.

Great post sir