Seravalli: Andersson and Flames “not on the same page” for contract extension

[CraigsList]

Andersson's leadership attributes aside, he has fallen into a pattern of very bad habits that cost the team dearly last season.

The team cannot afford another year of -38 hockey from him and I guess the question for me is can his reverse that trend (start after he was hit by a car in Detroit) and if so, for, how much?

I think he has grown stale here and could reverse that trend with another team.

My comment was about someone else's notion of tanking. I feel that keeping Andersson not only could be defensive issue, but a blocking issue of Parekh and Bzrustrewicz.

And I view Andersson's playing with a broken fibula during the play-off push to be a selfish act, not a leadership act.

This was a serious injury and only someone with a lofty view of themself, as in I am indispensable and no on else can do the job, would send this message to his teammates.

What a terrible take on Andersson.

 

[Nanuuk]

This is a pretty ridiculous opinion. The majority of Andersson's minuses came at 3v3 (irrelevant in playoffs), with the goalie pulled, on the power play, when his fibula was broken, or when Bahl was out. Also his on-ice 5v5 expected goals for was nearly 20 more than his actual goals for. That's by far the worst in the league. He had horrid puck luck this year.

Did you see how bad our defensive depth was? There is no way you think Miromanov would have been a better choice in a playoff push than broken fibula Ras for the last ~15 games. Also that was much more than a him choice, the team also decided their chances were better with him in. They 100% knew what the injury was, and they 100% agreed that he should play. Selfish my ass

Sez you who holds himself out as the be all and end all expert on all things Flames.

When someone posts a view you disagree with you conduct a vendetta of sorts against the poster.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Sez you who holds himself out as the be all and end all expert on all things Flames.

When someone posts a view you disagree with you conduct a vendetta of sorts against the poster.

I have nothing against you. I just think your take on this instance is bad. We can agree to disagree. You can discuss your take with the other posters who disagree instead

 

[DatDude44]

I would kill to have this guy replace Faulk in STL...

 

[Nanuuk]

I have nothing against you. I just think your take on this instant is bad. We can agree to disagree. You can discuss your take with the other posters who disagree instead

Ok fair enough Bud. Agree to disagree.

 

[CraigsList]

I would kill to have this guy replace Faulk in STL...

Is Faulk a cap dump?

 

[biturbo19]

Doubtful, he's never been a fast skater. Defensemen who fall off like that are usually pretty reliant on their skating. He does block a lot of shots though, it's always possible injuries catch up

I think that's where he's in the danger zone though. He's not fast, he's never been fast...my biggest thing with him as a prospect was that he couldn't move fast enough and it made me wary. He succeeded because he did actually gain a step and his four direction movement is very respectable. But if he loses that step...he's on the precipice of that cliff that guys fall off. When their skating is "just good enough"...right up until it's not.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I think that's where he's in the danger zone though. He's not fast, he's never been fast...my biggest thing with him as a prospect was that he couldn't move fast enough and it made me wary. He succeeded because he did actually gain a step and his four direction movement is very respectable. But if he loses that step...he's on the precipice of that cliff that guys fall off. When their skating is "just good enough"...right up until it's not.

You have this bass ackwards. The first thing to go with age is speed. If you are a player that relies on your speed to be effective you almost never age well (ie John Klingberg, and probably soon to be Mike Matheson). If you have played your who career at below average to average skating then the fall off is marginal at best.

 

[biturbo19]

You have this bass ackwards. The first thing to go with age is speed. If you are a player that relies on your speed to be effective you almost never age well (ie John Klingberg, and probably soon to be Mike Matheson). If you have played your who career at below average to average skating then the fall off is marginal at best.

It's the first thing to go, but we've seen so many examples of guys who just got by on their skating being just "good enough"...the guys just hanging on by a thread. They're the first guys to go as they age out of it. Becoming even slower. They're the guys who do not have a step to lose.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

It's the first thing to go, but we've seen so many examples of guys who just got by on their skating being just "good enough"...the guys just hanging on by a thread. They're the first guys to go as they age out of it. Becoming even slower. They're the guys who do not have a step to lose.

I feel like you aren't getting this at all. Fast skaters fall off harder because without their speed they can't be nearly as effective. It's not a linear thing where fast players and slow players have the same dropoff. Someone who can skate at 23mhp in their prime might fall to 18mph when they are older, but someone who skates at 20mph in their prime probably isn't going to drop to 15mph when they are older, they will probably also drop to 17-18mph.

Slower players tend to have longer careers because they made the NHL in part due to their hockey sense. Take Brent Burns for example, even at age 40 he has still been an effective 1st pair defenseman. Whereas someone like TJ Brodie, who was very reliant on his skating completely fell off a cliff.

 

[Bizz]

Andersson sucks. We need RD badly but Sharks should stay far away from him.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Is Faulk a cap dump?

No. He is needed in our top 4 still, unless we find upgrade.

 

[biturbo19]

I feel like you aren't getting this at all. Fast skaters fall off harder because without their speed they can't be nearly as effective. It's not a linear thing where fast players and slow players have the same dropoff. Someone who can skate at 23mhp in their prime might fall to 18mph when they are older, but someone who skates at 20mph in their prime probably isn't going to drop to 15mph when they are older, they will probably also drop to 17-18mph.

Slower players tend to have longer careers because they made the NHL in part due to their hockey sense. Take Brent Burns for example, even at age 40 he has still been an effective 1st pair defenseman. Whereas someone like TJ Brodie, who was very reliant on his skating completely fell off a cliff.

I think you're not getting it at all.

Guys who rely heavily on speed as their primary tool sometimes do fall off early. That's very true. But there's a whole lot of nuance to it that i think you're ignoring.

Guys who skate "easy" with great technique and just float around efficiently as truly good skaters...they tend to have extremely good staying power. They manage to be effective players well past the date where most of their other skills have declined to almost nothing.

Guys who are bigtime "effort and tools" skaters, do tend to fall off very suddenly when their power and tools start to degrade. When "skating fast" is all you've got, it tends to be pretty catastrophic when that starts to fade. But skating also doesn't fade equally. Some types of skaters fall off a lot harder and a lot earlier than others. Guys like Niedermayer, Lidstrom continued to be very effective and very good skaters right up until retirement. Because they skated easy and effortless.

Talking about how many mph a guy sometimes hits is completely and utterly missing the point. Especially when talking about a defenceman.

The reality is, Rasmus really doesn't have a step to lose. If he slows down even a little bit...he's back to being "not a good enough skater" like he was as a prospect. He's developed into a very functional 4-way skater...but it's pretty clear he's been pushing at the ceiling of what he's capable of. If he starts to fall off from that ceiling...that's what i'm talking about. And it will happen, at some point during whatever contract he signs.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

Andersson sucks. We need RD badly but Sharks should stay far away from him.

Hockey fans from Cali wonder why they get shit on for their hockey knowledge and then they say shit like this.

Andersson does not suck. Andersson is actually very good. Yeah his plus/minus was terrible, watch the guy play. He’s a really good hockey player

 

[MrLunatik]

Hockey fans from Cali wonder why they get shit on for their hockey knowledge and then they say shit like this.

Andersson does not suck. Andersson is actually very good. Yeah his plus/minus was terrible, watch the guy play. He’s a really good hockey player

Don't take the bait, they always posts ridiculous things... even other sharks fans suggested blocking them

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hockey fans from Cali wonder why they get shit on for their hockey knowledge and then they say shit like this.

Andersson does not suck. Andersson is actually very good. Yeah his plus/minus was terrible, watch the guy play. He’s a really good hockey player

Reminds me of Habs fans defending Petry back in the day when he was performing well. Some said it was because Weber was there but in fact, Petry played his best when Weber was injured.

Andersson is very solid all around. Great skater and puck mover and a legit top 4RD. Flames would get a very solid return if he is moved.

 

[M Ace]

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