Seravalli: Andersson and Flames “not on the same page” for contract extension

[Dr Amazing]

The future consideration really balances things

4th round pick.

 

[MrLunatik]

4th round pick.

except all Sakic gets from offering that is a gift basket of dildos with a card that reads "go f*** yourself".

 

[treple13]

Lol, the guy put up a -38 and I’ve read many a Flames fan looking forward to his departure

I think Flames fans want him gone, because:

-They want the return for Andersson

-They want the team to get a higher pick which would happen if we lose Andersson

I don't think any Flames fan actually wants Andersson gone for hockey reasons, just tanking reasons

 

[biturbo19]

I do think his contract ask is going to be in that realm of "regrettable" in the long term. But if you deal for him now, you're getting a Top-3, very top-pair capable all-around defenceman on an absolute steal of a deal for a year in the meantime. I also think that with the cap skyrocketing, the first few years of that new deal will be just fine for what he brings to the table.

I do worry that he's the sort of defenceman who is liable to fall off a cliff...potentially somewhat earlier than most though. I'm not really sure how much mobility he can afford to lose, and there are some fairly significant injury concerns that don't bode super well for maintaining that over the long haul. But for a team that is in a window...probably worth it.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

I think Flames fans want him gone, because:

-They want the return for Andersson

-They want the team to get a higher pick which would happen if we lose Andersson

I don't think any Flames fan actually wants Andersson gone for hockey reasons, just tanking reasons

Yep. Flames fans love Andersson. We also want room for Parekh

 

[madmike77]

I think Flames fans want him gone, because:

-They want the return for Andersson

-They want the team to get a higher pick which would happen if we lose Andersson

I don't think any Flames fan actually wants Andersson gone for hockey reasons, just tanking reasons

It’s not so much tanking. The team isn’t winning any time soon and the Flames need to open up roster spots for their younger players to develop. All things being equal I’d rather keep Andersson but from a team development point of view, it doesn’t make sense.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

~25:41

- Big gap in contract talks
- Seen as symbolic, that it’s time for a parting of the ways
- No hard feelings
- Keeping him for an in-season trade is possible, but “people are serious” about trading for him

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I do think his contract ask is going to be in that realm of "regrettable" in the long term. But if you deal for him now, you're getting a Top-3, very top-pair capable all-around defenceman on an absolute steal of a deal for a year in the meantime. I also think that with the cap skyrocketing, the first few years of that new deal will be just fine for what he brings to the table.

I do worry that he's the sort of defenceman who is liable to fall off a cliff...potentially somewhat earlier than most though. I'm not really sure how much mobility he can afford to lose, and there are some fairly significant injury concerns that don't bode super well for maintaining that over the long haul. But for a team that is in a window...probably worth it.

Doubtful, he's never been a fast skater. Defensemen who fall off like that are usually pretty reliant on their skating. He does block a lot of shots though, it's always possible injuries catch up

 

[Nanuuk]

I think Flames fans want him gone, because:

-They want the return for Andersson

-They want the team to get a higher pick which would happen if we lose Andersson

I don't think any Flames fan actually wants Andersson gone for hockey reasons, just tanking reasons

If you watch the Flames closely, wanting to trade Andersson isn't for tanking reasons. Keeping him is for tanking reasons.

 

[DJJones]

If you watch the Flames closely, wanting to trade Andersson isn't for tanking reasons. Keeping him is for tanking reasons.

Crazy how this opinion isn't shared by Flames fans, just stat watchers.

RD is the 2nd most valuable position. We might have three top pairing guys very soon with Parekh.

It's difficult to not trade him given that context.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If you watch the Flames closely, wanting to trade Andersson isn't for tanking reasons. Keeping him is for tanking reasons.

I'm really lost by this post. Of all people I thought you would understand how important he was to the team last year in our playoff push and culture building

 

[Nanuuk]

I'm really lost by this post. Of all people I thought you would understand how important he was to the team last year in our playoff push and culture building

Andersson's leadership attributes aside, he has fallen into a pattern of very bad habits that cost the team dearly last season.

The team cannot afford another year of -38 hockey from him and I guess the question for me is can his reverse that trend (start after he was hit by a car in Detroit) and if so, for, how much?

I think he has grown stale here and could reverse that trend with another team.

My comment was about someone else's notion of tanking. I feel that keeping Andersson not only could be defensive issue, but a blocking issue of Parekh and Bzrustrewicz.

And I view Andersson's playing with a broken fibula during the play-off push to be a selfish act, not a leadership act.

This was a serious injury and only someone with a lofty view of themself, as in I am indispensable and no on else can do the job, would send this message to his teammates.

 

[tmurfin]

Andersson's leadership attributes aside, he has fallen into a pattern of very bad habits that cost the team dearly last season.

The team cannot afford another year of -38 hockey from him and I guess the question for me is can his reverse that trend (start after he was hit by a car in Detroit) and if so, for, how much?

I think he has grown stale here and could reverse that trend with another team.

My comment was about someone else's notion of tanking. I feel that keeping Andersson not only could be defensive issue, but a blocking issue of Parekh and Bzrustrewicz.

And I view Andersson's playing with a broken fibula during the play-off push to be a selfish act, not a leadership act.

This was a serious injury and only someone with a lofty view of themself, as in I am indispensable and no on else can do the job, would send this message to his teammates.

I’m sorry but that’s a ludicrous take. Say what you want about his D play. But that last bit is just comical, have you ever played competitively? I guarantee you, not a single teammate sees that as “selfish” in any sense.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Question then for Flames fans, because this does seem like a really amicable split (if and when it does happen). Both sides seem to respect the other, want to do well for the other side. All and all, pleasant for everyone. So many times you see a couple of things happen, either NTCs are manipulated or in the final year contracts for UFA and RFAs, they will often refuse to resign as a way to exert leverage, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Do you think that they will try to work together (Conroy and Anderson), to trade him to a place he wants to go, even if it comes at a lesser return?

 

[Nanuuk]

I’m sorry but that’s a ludicrous take. Say what you want about his D play. But that last bit is just comical, have you ever played competitively? I guarantee you, not a single teammate sees that as “selfish” in any sense.

No I haven't and given his play was atrocious I'll let my comment stand.

 

[Bond]

Do you think that they will try to work together (Conroy and Anderson), to trade him to a place he wants to go, even if it comes at a lesser return?

Highly doubt it. Should be enough interest that he gets a good return no matter where he goes. They could let a team talk to him before July 1st if they add value for it.

 

[Bond]

No I haven't and given his play was atrocious I'll let my comment stand.

Reminds me of people who turned on Hanifin last year. Whoever replaces Andersson is going to get absolutely caved in even worse. You should be happy if the Flames get a second for his ‘atrocious’ play.

The injury thing is extra funny. No way anyone views that as a negative.

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

I think Flames fans want him gone, because:

-They want the return for Andersson

-They want the team to get a higher pick which would happen if we lose Andersson

I don't think any Flames fan actually wants Andersson gone for hockey reasons, just tanking reasons

Also we have so many RHD that it’s trading from an area of depth to fill other needs

 

[DJJones]

Question then for Flames fans, because this does seem like a really amicable split (if and when it does happen). Both sides seem to respect the other, want to do well for the other side. All and all, pleasant for everyone. So many times you see a couple of things happen, either NTCs are manipulated or in the final year contracts for UFA and RFAs, they will often refuse to resign as a way to exert leverage, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Do you think that they will try to work together (Conroy and Anderson), to trade him to a place he wants to go, even if it comes at a lesser return?

Andersson controls the return by whether or not he'll agree to sign an extension with the new team.

That would raise his value. But otherwise Conroy can still trade him as a 2.5M top pairing RD as a rental. That in itself has a bunch of value.

He's not retiring, he can go play for a playoff team for a year and decide where to sign after.

 

[Kielbasa]

Question then for Flames fans, because this does seem like a really amicable split (if and when it does happen). Both sides seem to respect the other, want to do well for the other side. All and all, pleasant for everyone. So many times you see a couple of things happen, either NTCs are manipulated or in the final year contracts for UFA and RFAs, they will often refuse to resign as a way to exert leverage, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Do you think that they will try to work together (Conroy and Anderson), to trade him to a place he wants to go, even if it comes at a lesser return?

Andersson has a six team no trade list so he has a little protection. Conroy has shown to be a player friendly GM so it's definitely possible. As with all things it depends on the details. How much "lesser" would the return be?

 

[Nanuuk]

Reminds me of people who turned on Hanifin last year. Whoever replaces Andersson is going to get absolutely caved in even worse. You should be happy if the Flames get a second for his ‘atrocious’ play.

The injury thing is extra funny. No way anyone views that as a negative.

I never turned on Hanifin. If anything it was his play that allowed Andersson to be the player he was. After he left Andersson's play dropped off.

 

[Fig]

Question then for Flames fans, because this does seem like a really amicable split (if and when it does happen). Both sides seem to respect the other, want to do well for the other side. All and all, pleasant for everyone. So many times you see a couple of things happen, either NTCs are manipulated or in the final year contracts for UFA and RFAs, they will often refuse to resign as a way to exert leverage, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Do you think that they will try to work together (Conroy and Anderson), to trade him to a place he wants to go, even if it comes at a lesser return?

TBH, I don't know. It could be that Conroy gets some decent options that Andersson will rubberstamp and then it transpires however it does. Or it could be that Andersson takes a page from Tkachuk and is heavily involved in the process to ensure that Calgary can maximize their return. What an org is willing to offer for Andersson is also potentially an indicator of how they may treat him through his ups and downs.

Him wanting a specific destination, but hearing an insulting offer could mean he changes his tune quickly. The alternative could be that he has a destination that he's lukewarm to, but they offer an enormous package and thus he's willing to reconsider.

From all accounts, it does seem like Columbus is a good destination for personal reasons for Andersson, but I think fans of both sides aren't totally sure how such a trade might transpire that would work for both teams.

 

[AslanRH]

except all Sakic gets from offering that is a gift basket of dildos with a card that reads "go f*** yourself".

at least get the GM correct when offering your excess swag items

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Andersson's leadership attributes aside, he has fallen into a pattern of very bad habits that cost the team dearly last season.

The team cannot afford another year of -38 hockey from him and I guess the question for me is can his reverse that trend (start after he was hit by a car in Detroit) and if so, for, how much?

I think he has grown stale here and could reverse that trend with another team.

My comment was about someone else's notion of tanking. I feel that keeping Andersson not only could be defensive issue, but a blocking issue of Parekh and Bzrustrewicz.

And I view Andersson's playing with a broken fibula during the play-off push to be a selfish act, not a leadership act.

This was a serious injury and only someone with a lofty view of themself, as in I am indispensable and no on else can do the job, would send this message to his teammates.

This is a pretty ridiculous opinion. The majority of Andersson's minuses came at 3v3 (irrelevant in playoffs), with the goalie pulled, on the power play, when his fibula was broken, or when Bahl was out. Also his on-ice 5v5 expected goals for was nearly 20 more than his actual goals for. That's by far the worst in the league. He had horrid puck luck this year.

Did you see how bad our defensive depth was? There is no way you think Miromanov would have been a better choice in a playoff push than broken fibula Ras for the last ~15 games. Also that was much more than a him choice, the team also decided their chances were better with him in. They 100% knew what the injury was, and they 100% agreed that he should play. Selfish my ass

 

[lettuceAA]

A solid top 4 LD or top 6 RH center with a pick and prospect should get it done.