Proposal: Anaheim fix

[WesMcCauley]

Bernier(1 year left, 4,15 cap hit)+ 2017 3rd. His salary is 2,15 i think this season. So only costs half of his cap hit and NJ has tons of cap space so the 4,15 cap hit isnt a problem.

2 2017 5th

Ducks call Tokarski up from the minors to be their backup. NJ has the cap space and gets a possibly better backup than Kinkaid.

Stoner(2 years left, 3,25 cap hit) + 2017 2nd+ 2018 2nd


2 2017 6th

Ducks get cap relief and give up two 2nds and Toronto gets a little deeper on defense which they need.

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[Leafs87]

Who does stoner replace? I mean he may be better then hunwick but that cap is ugly and Toronto is starting to be close to the cap. If they take a cap dump like stoner it will cost more then two 2s IMO

 

[PetterssonSimp]

IMHO. The Leafs have too many players in the 4-8 positions on defence already and I think the majority are younger higher potential to be better than Stoner as soon as this season. 2 2nds is a fair price to dump him, just feel it could be a better fit with someone else. Possible Arizona would take your call on that offer? I'm a fan of none of these teams.
Would NJD take a goalie? Sure there's a 3rd added but that's not much to take on 4+ million cap hit

 

[Brooklyndevil]

New Jersey says no thank you for you're very kind offer.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Stone plus 2 2nd rounders for a 6th not to shabby, But i doubt any one bites on Stoners's contract.

 

[CatchyTune]

I would rather it be a 1st coming from Anaheim, but I know they wont pay that. As a Leafs fan I probably do this as long as we don't have to protect Stoner in the expansion draft. We could use a couple extra 2nds even for trade chips as it would give us 3 this year

 

[Ducks in a row]

Bernier(1 year left, 4,15 cap hit)+ 2017 3rd. His salary is 2,15 i think this season. So only costs half of his cap hit and NJ has tons of cap space so the 4,15 cap hit isnt a problem.

2 2017 5th

Ducks call Tokarski up from the minors to be their backup. NJ has the cap space and gets a possibly better backup than Kinkaid.

Stoner(2 years left, 3,25 cap hit) + 2017 2nd+ 2018 2nd


2 2017 6th

Ducks get cap relief and give up two 2nds and Toronto gets a little deeper on defense which they need.

Would NJ really take Bernier for a 5th? Even if they would we are then screwed if Gibson goes down with a injury.

 

[johna2626]

Believe Leafs don't have the cap space to take Stoner

 

[c4rcy]

We would rather buy out his contract than eat the loss of 2 2nds.

 

[Trapper]

Bernier(1 year left, 4,15 cap hit)+ 2017 3rd. His salary is 2,15 i think this season. So only costs half of his cap hit and NJ has tons of cap space so the 4,15 cap hit isnt a problem.

2 2017 5th

Ducks call Tokarski up from the minors to be their backup. NJ has the cap space and gets a possibly better backup than Kinkaid.

Stoner(2 years left, 3,25 cap hit) + 2017 2nd+ 2018 2nd


2 2017 6th

Ducks get cap relief and give up two 2nds and Toronto gets a little deeper on defense which they need.

Leafs have 16 draft picks in the next 2 years. They are also at 49/50 contracts.
We don't need more picks for the sake of more picks. We need a top 2/3 D.
This is not entincing enough to take Stoner. It would be a no.

 

[TML1967]

Leafs have 16 draft picks in the next 2 years. They are also at 49/50 contracts.
We don't need more picks for the sake of more picks. We need a top 2/3 D.
This is not entincing enough to take Stoner. It would be a no.

Horton, Lupul, Robidas are all on the IR. Meaning we dont get cap relief from them yet, but we could once we go over. So cap isnt really an issue, if we take on Stoner we just put Robidas 3mil on LTIR, and we are fine.

I think the deal makes sense, as long as were ok moving Hunwick for like a 7th round pick from literally anyone.

Having an additional two 2nd round picks would be helpful for the upcoming draft. Would give them 4 2nd round picks, and with so many teams worried about loosing people in the expansion draft picks might be a good commodity.
That or packagin the picks to move up. Leafs in the past have moved from late 1st round picks for a 2nd and a 3rd, so two 2nds should get you into the low 20's. You could (potentially) move all 4 2nd round picks, and end up with a top 5, and two top 25 pics which would be amazing.

I dont think having too many young good players is a bad thing. You can always package a few good young players for a slightly better older player.

 

[GAGLine]

We would rather buy out his contract than eat the loss of 2 2nds.

Can't be bought out until June.

 

[go4hockey]

Bernier(1 year left, 4,15 cap hit)+ 2017 3rd. His salary is 2,15 i think this season. So only costs half of his cap hit and NJ has tons of cap space so the 4,15 cap hit isnt a problem.

2 2017 5th

Ducks call Tokarski up from the minors to be their backup. NJ has the cap space and gets a possibly better backup than Kinkaid.

Stoner(2 years left, 3,25 cap hit) + 2017 2nd+ 2018 2nd


2 2017 6th

Ducks get cap relief and give up two 2nds and Toronto gets a little deeper on defense which they need.

So Toronto and the Devils are around to just help the Ducks. It will cost a much more to get rid of Stoner and the Ducks GM is a total idiot for taking on a backup making that much. Good luck moving ugly salaries without it hurting a lot.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

So Toronto and the Devils are around to just help the Ducks. It will cost a much more to get rid of Stoner and the Ducks GM is a total idiot for taking on a backup making that much. Good luck moving ugly salaries without it hurting a lot.

I agree.
Their first or Larsson or Theodore will move Stoner not 2 later seconds.

 

[britdevil]

Why do the Devils help out the Ducks for a third rounder?

Big pass.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Stone plus 2 2nd rounders for a 6th not to shabby, But i doubt any one bites on Stoners's contract.

With 2 2nds attached? they might

 

[chatty4756]

Toronto wouldnt do this unless theres another player leaving them. We are already at 49 contracts, not gonna waste that final spot on stoner

 

[TML1967]

Toronto wouldnt do this unless theres another player leaving them. We are already at 49 contracts, not gonna waste that final spot on stoner

This is a good point, would probably ask to move an AHLer or two who are underperforming.

 

[Elvs]

I would much rather have Kinkaid than Tokarski as the Ducks backup.

 

[thedoughboy]

If Anaheim is looking to shed cap look at the trade that involved bolland, bickell, and Datsyuk.


If this was all it took murray would be shot for not getting it done already. No one is looking to help out another team as much as you need for a 3rd or two 2nds. legitimate prospects/roster players or 1st round picks+ is what it is going to take.

EX:

Bolland+Crouse for 2017 3rd and 2018 2nd

Bickell+TT for 2016 second and 2018 3rd

Datsyuk+16th OA for 20th OA, 56th OA, Joe Vitale


Datsyuk is the outlieing case because I don't think arizona is paying much if any of his salaray as well as he doesn't count as a player contract/roster spot. that 16th pick also turned into chychrun



Edit: You could probably also factor in a "in season" tax because murray decided to wait this long to sign his star defensmen and no team would like to jeopardize their season to help anaheims

 

[thedoughboy]

With 2 2nds attached? they might

They can do a lot better than 2 seconds.

 

[Vipers31]

If Anaheim is looking to shed cap look at the trade that involved bolland, bickell, and Datsyuk.

Much worse players and or much more dollars. Not all that comparable.

Edit: You could probably also factor in a "in season" tax because murray decided to wait this long to sign his star defensmen and no team would like to jeopardize their season to help anaheims

Nobody is "jeopardizing their season" by adding an $1.5M per year overpaid, but otherwise decent 3rd pairing defender.

 

[voxel]

Datsyuk+16th OA for 20th OA, 56th OA, Joe Vitale

Vitale is also a $1.3M cash LTIR dump.

 

[voxel]

Nobody is "jeopardizing their season" by adding an $1.5M per year overpaid, but otherwise decent 3rd pairing defender.

Contract also is 2 years too. I don't see any team wanting that contract.

Basically Ducks have send a player/pick to pay for $3M in cap/cash.

 

[Vipers31]

Contract also is 2 years too. I don't see any team wanting that contract.

Basically Ducks have send a player/pick to pay for $3M in cap/cash.

There's no doubt that nobody wants that contract. We virtually knew that before, and after he passed waivers, we can treat that as a fact.

The remaining question is whether [degree by which Stoner is deemped overpaid per year] * 1,9ish (given that part of this year's salary is already paid) is > $4.5M (Bickell) or somehow comparable to the $16.5M (or whichever of that is left after subtracting insurance payouts) on Bolland. I still have a hard time seeing what would lead anyone to answer that question with "yes", other than perceived opportunism. If the answer isn't "yes", the asset expected to go along with Stoner would need to be adjusted accordingly.