Proposal: Ana - wpg/car/flo

[Maukkis]

Of course teams would ask for more back but that doesn't mean they will get it and it doesn't mean they won't settle for two 2nd round picks.



Theodore,Montour and Larsson don't need protecting. Trade away Fowler before expansion draft and have Bieksa waive for expansion or buy him out. We protect Lindholm,Vatanen and Manson from the blueline. Losing Despres in expansion draft isn't a big deal for us with his health problems.

Ooooh, it's that easy! Trade Fowler for whoever happens to have an available protection spot... for one year... oh wait. Who even has one? For practically nothing in return, as you are even more forced to do a deal then than you are now? Great asset management!

Buy out Bieksa? Oh yeah! I'm sure the owner loves to see Murray playing around with his money. And it surely looks great to sign a guy for a contract just to buy him out under 24 months later!

Great armchair GM moves, but very, very poor management in real life.

 

[Maukkis]

Fun fact: Bieksa is on a 35+ contract. His cap hit is still with the Ducks even if they buy him out for the expansion.

Doesn't it only count as a 35+ contract if the player signed as a 35-year-old or older? CapFriendly doesn't have him as a 35+ contract.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Ooooh, it's that easy! Trade Fowler for whoever happens to have an available protection spot... for one year... oh wait. Who even has one? For practically nothing in return, as you are even more forced to do a deal then than you are now? Great asset management!

Buy out Bieksa? Oh yeah! I'm sure the owner loves to see Murray playing around with his money. And it surely looks great to sign a guy for a contract just to buy him out under 24 months later!

Great armchair GM moves, but very, very poor management in real life.

We could even keep Fowler and not protect him and offer Las Vegas something not to take him or risk seeing if they will take a player who is UFA after 1 season. Already talk in these forums about Fowler for Spooner so we could possibly do that this season.

You don't think we will ask Bieksa to waive for expansion? Odds of Las Vegas taking him are slim. If he doesn't waive we buy him out saving us from losing a good player. We have bought out players before. It doesn't look bad to anyone to buy out a player with 1 year left to save from losing someone good in expansion except to other teams fans.

 

[paragon]

So we are agreeing that taking Stoner's contract on is worth somewhere between two to three 2nd round picks? As someone else pointed out, it's less of a sting than giving up one of Fowler, Theodore, Despres (which I'd say you'd be lucky to get out of a 2nd round pick 3-4 years down the road when Getz and Perry are old men..)

It's not like Stoner is not a NHL quality dman, he's just overpaid by 2M. TOR 2017 2nd is basically late 1st rounder, so the original proposal is way too much.

And I'm pretty sure Anaheim has to protect 7-3-1, and the 3 defensemen will be Lindholm, Bieksa and either Vatanen or Fowler. You pretty much have to trade one of them. So might as well move Fowler for a 1st and 2nd round picks. Trade Bernier to LA or Arizona and sign Lindholm.

I don't think anyone will be willing to do Anaheim any favors by eating a bad contract and paying 3 2nd round picks is just obscene since it'ss not enough to sign Lindhold and it doesn't solve the issue of the expansion draft.

 

[Maukkis]

We could even keep Fowler and not protect him and offer Las Vegas something not to take him or risk seeing if they will take a player who is UFA after 1 season. Already talk in these forums about Fowler for Spooner so we could possibly do that this season.

You don't think we will ask Bieksa to waive for expansion? Odds of Las Vegas taking him are slim. If he doesn't waive we buy him out saving us from losing a good player. We have bought out players before. It doesn't look bad to anyone to buy out a player with 1 year left to save from losing someone good in expansion except to other teams fans.

In my opinion, if one of the big three isn't traded for forward help during the season, Murray isn't playing his cards right. The team needs forward help and doesn't have its #1 defenseman, yet he's still sitting on his hands, doing nothing and letting the value of his assets go down. On top of that, he's also doing nothing to fix the expansion issue. The longer that takes, the less he's getting in return for them - or he's losing a better player to Vegas than he has to.

But yeah, not my loss. I'd rather see you playing with no depth and without your top defenseman all year.

 

[Roboturner913]

Not sure Carolina wants to take on that kind of salary for a 5/6 d-man. They've got Dahlbeck there right now playing really well on a cheap contract. Now, if the Hurricanes are in contention for a playoff spot later in the season, this is a move I could see happening, but by then the Lindholm situation will be resolved one way or another.

 

[johna2626]

You want to move Stoner? Better offer up Theodore or Montour. Don't you think that this would've happened by noew if the picks were enough?

 

[Exit Dose]

You want to move Stoner? Better offer up Theodore or Montour. Don't you think that this would've happened by noew if the picks were enough?

No...it wouldn't. The Ducks were always going to wait till they agreed to terms on their players before making those moves. You apparently missed the part where Anaheim is still negotiating with Lindholm over the details of his deal.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

No...it wouldn't. The Ducks were always going to wait till they agreed to terms on their players before making those moves. You apparently missed the part where Anaheim is still negotiating with Lindholm over the details of his deal.

They are bored of the trouba stuff so trying to know everything bout the lindholm situation its entertaining at least

 

[Flyerfan52]

Doesn't it only count as a 35+ contract if the player signed as a 35-year-old or older? CapFriendly doesn't have him as a 35+ contract.

Bieska was 35 when his contract kicked in.
CapFriendly now has him listed as a 35+ contract.

 

[Sojourn]

It's based on when the contract kicks in, not when he signs. That was a lesson learned by Philadelphia when they signed Pronger to his retirement contract.

I'm not sure if they knew that was the case or not(not really worth speculating at this point), but there was a lot of discussion at the time about how it would impact them, and whether he was actually a 35+ contract. The key point wasn't when he signed it, but when the contract began.

Edit: That being said, buying him out was never really about the money savings, when the context was this next off-season. It was removing him from a protection slot. If he refuses to waive his contract, and expose himself to the draft, the Ducks may feel it's necessary to buy him out to protect another defenseman. That's all. He has little reason not to waive, though, because he isn't an appealing option for Vegas. There are going to be more (solid) defensemen available than forwards, and Vegas should be able to load up on some decent defensive players. Bieksa really doesn't fit into that.