Proposal: ANA-TB-SEA

[Point21]

TB get: Josh Manson at 1,025,000

ANA gets: Foote + 2022 1st, Retain 2.1m on Manson

SEA gets: Mid round pick to retain 1,025,000 on Manson

Tampa waives Bogo to fit the cap

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[Big Daddy Cane]

Looks realistic.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Seattle gets not much, though.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Seattle gets not much, though.

Yeah but we are not giving up anything either. I think for retaining 1M a mid-round pick is a realistic expectation.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Yeah but we are not giving up anything either. I think for retaining 1M a mid-round pick is a realistic expectation.

Can a third team retain salary for a player in another team, though?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There's been 4 double max trades over the past 2 deadlines (Lehner, Foligno, Savard and Janmark) and the value has topped out at a 4th.

It's possible that it shifts as the framework becomes more popular. Teams can go very close to a flat cap with the expectation that the opportunity to make this type of trade at the deadline is there. In theory, that should drive up demand for retention slots.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I think it is a bit expensive for TBL. I believe Manson has not shown great prowess in the past 3 years to justify adding Foot in that trade. IMO the Savard trade i.e. 1st + 3rd is more realistic.

 

[Irie]

With limited retention slots and Seattle likely looking to move all their UFAs, I am not certain they will be willing to give up a retention slot for just a mid-round pick, regardless of value.

Those slots may be better used to increase the value of their own guys this deadline.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

With limited retention slots and Seattle likely looking to move all their UFAs, I am not certain they will be willing to give up a retention slot for just a mid-round pick, regardless of value.

Those slots may be better used to increase the value of their own guys this deadline.

Yes, and a mid-round pick is usually a bust or a fringe 4th-liner.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I’d do it as a ducks fan

 

[Paul4587]

Easy yes for Anaheim.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Seems steep for Manson

 

[JoVel]

I think it is a bit expensive for TBL. I believe Manson has not shown great prowess in the past 3 years to justify adding Foot in that trade. IMO the Savard trade i.e. 1st + 3rd is more realistic.

Foote doesn't exactly hold great value at this point either.

 

[anezthes]

Sure, why not.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Foote doesn't exactly hold great value at this

Still more than a 3rd

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

As a ducks fan it’s a yes for me

 

[DFC]

Still more than a 3rd

A 3rd feels about right, really.

I've been kind of down on him for a few years now, so maybe I'm biased, but to me he looks like he's gonna top out as a 3rd pairing D with better-than-average offensive skills. His skating will keep him from being more useful than that, which is sad, because the other tools are all there. He hasn't really secured a full time role with TB yet, and there has been no lack of opportunity.

 

[RationalExpectations]

A 3rd feels about right, really.

I've been kind of down on him for a few years now, so maybe I'm biased, but to me he looks like he's gonna top out as a 3rd pairing D with better-than-average offensive skills. His skating will keep him from being more useful than that, which is sad, because the other tools are all there. He hasn't really secured a full time role with TB yet, and there has been no lack of opportunity.

Still think some teams would pay more but I trust you. Then it s a fair deal

 

[wetcoast]

I think it is a bit expensive for TBL. I believe Manson has not shown great prowess in the past 3 years to justify adding Foot in that trade. IMO the Savard trade i.e. 1st + 3rd is more realistic.

This was my first thought as well.

I really like Manson but that's alot to give up.

 

[Djp]

Can a third team retain salary for a player in another team, though?

It’s a pass thru trade. It’s been done many times.

 

[Djp]

With limited retention slots and Seattle likely looking to move all their UFAs, I am not certain they will be willing to give up a retention slot for just a mid-round pick, regardless of value.

Those slots may be better used to increase the value of their own guys this deadline.

For UFAs they only have Giordana as a retention candidate. Other UFAs to be make low salary that retention just isn’t necessary.

 

[HoseEmDown]

For a 1st + Foote I'd want Lindholm not Manson.

 

[The Duck Knight]

For a 1st + Foote I'd want Lindholm not Manson.

As a Duck fan I agree that's closer to a Lindholm rental than Manson. Manson I think would be more in the range of a 2nd + Foote level prospect.

 

[Irie]

For UFAs they only have Giordana as a retention candidate. Other UFAs to be make low salary that retention just isn’t necessary.

Well, 25% retention of Manson's contract would be almost exactly the same as what 50% retention in Jarnkrok would be.

While I agree it is not very much, this deadline is going to have an unprecedented 14 and possibly 15 dedicated sellers.

To teams that are using LTIR relief, that quarter of a million in savings may actually make a Jarnkrok deal possible.

With only 3 retention slots, I feel like the third one should be saved for a larger return, like helping to facilitate a guy like Giroux or Hertl.

If the TDL comes, and they still have a free slot, then using it in a deal like this makes sense, but using it too early could cost the Kraken a bigger deal.

 

[Point21]

As a Duck fan I agree that's closer to a Lindholm rental than Manson. Manson I think would be more in the range of a 2nd + Foote level prospect.

id definitely like Manson over Lindholm. only worry is Sergachev moving to the right side full time if thats the case