Confirmed Trade: [ANA/STL] Cam Fowler and 2027 4th round pick for 2027 2nd round pick and Jeremie Biakabutuka

[StreetHawk]

Verbeek got fleeced again… he hasn’t had many wins in free agency or trades, and can’t say he gets any credit for draft picks with Madden running the show.

Ducks are unwatchable now like the Angels until there is new management. I’m so envious of major market teams that do not accept mediocrity, and definitely ones that don’t accept being laughingstocks of their leagues like billionaire Samueli has…

Rebuilds are longer and more painful that posters on this board think they are. Ducks haven't made the PO since 2018. This is going on year 7 and they are currently pacing for 70 points.

Gibson is now the last hold over from their 2018 PO roster.

Players who have options don't want to endure 3-4 years of losing.

So, unless the kids hit and play well early, then it's up to the GM to make a trade to kickstart the turnaround. Most players are not signing with bad teams when they can get similar money with a PO caliber team.

 

[Petes2424]

Look for Faulk to be the next veteran victim, who’s lost a step, to end up somewhere else. Parayko is just gonna be too hard to move right now.

 

[FiveTacos]

Rebuilds are longer and more painful that posters on this board think they are. Ducks haven't made the PO since 2018. This is going on year 7 and they are currently pacing for 70 points.

To be fair though, Murray didn't really commit to a rebuild. It's year 7 of suckage, but the first half of that was part of the "death spiral" that formerly good teams fall into, where they think they can still turn it around.

Honestly, the cracks were even showing a bit in '18, as they got swept in round 1. I get that at that point you probably don't walk away from a 25 year old Gibson, but they had to look at that roster and realize they lacked the elite talent on the way to replace Getzlaf/Perry as the core star players. I'd have started a major retool at the very least.

 

[Stealth JD]

Look for Faulk to be the next veteran victim, who’s lost a step, to end up somewhere else. Parayko is just gonna be too hard to move right now.

Parayko "too hard to move"? As in...the Blues defense would be crippled without him - there's no way STL could let him go?

He'd be extremely easy for Armstrong to trade if he wanted to do so; GM's drool for guys like him. There would be no shortage of teams interested in acquiring Parayko if the Blues were foolish enough to move on from him.

 

[TheNumber4]

Well that's the last of Anaheim's once young and elite D core. Crazy how they had Montour, Lindholm, Manson at one point. Thought they would be there for decade+. They always seem to favor Fowler though, probably cause he has a Duck-like name. And now they throw him away like yesterday's garbage. He's an okay defenceman, has vet saavy and a controlled game, but he's always been meh and now he's meh regressed.

 

[StreetHawk]

To be fair though, Murray didn't really commit to a rebuild. It's year 7 of suckage, but the first half of that was part of the "death spiral" that formerly good teams fall into, where they think they can still turn it around.

Honestly, the cracks were even showing a bit in '18, as they got swept in round 1. I get that at that point you probably don't walk away from a 25 year old Gibson, but they had to look at that roster and realize they lacked the elite talent on the way to replace Getzlaf/Perry as the core star players. I'd have started a major retool at the very least.

In 2019 when they first missed, Lindholm was 25, Rackell was 26, Manson was 28, Fowler was 27. Gibson was 26. Had the backend and goalie but were severely depleted up front as their 2003 draft class guys of Getzlaf, Perry were nearing their ends and Kesler and Eaves were on ltir. And Henrique, Silf, Rackell were 2nd line guys not first line.

Can’t imagine a GM going to the owner and saying we need to move all of these guys.

But landing high end F is hard in free agency. Tavares, Panarin, Gaborik are probably the most talented F that left as pure free agents in this cap world and they had destinations in mind when they left.

 

[FiveTacos]

In 2019 when they first missed, Lindholm was 25, Rackell was 26, Manson was 28, Fowler was 27. Gibson was 26. Had the backend and goalie but were severely depleted up front as their 2003 draft class guys of Getzlaf, Perry were nearing their ends and Kesler and Eaves were on ltir. And Henrique, Silf, Rackell were 2nd line guys not first line.

Can’t imagine a GM going to the owner and saying we need to move all of these guys.

But landing high end F is hard in free agency. Tavares, Panarin, Gaborik are probably the most talented F that left as pure free agents in this cap world and they had destinations in mind when they left.

It was a tough spot, no doubt. But even though the D corps was pretty good and young, it was also clear none of them were superstars. It wasn't like they could build around being a suffocating D with a great goalie.

I don't know that it was ever an option to move all of them, but they sort of let it slow bleed instead. You could kind of see it coming, but they definitely could have sold high on some guys, taken a temporary step back, and shortened the rebuild into a retool.

Verbeek came in in '22 and I think correctly assessed that it had passed the window for a potential retool, and required full teardown. The prospect pipeline was still pretty iffy at that point beyond Zegras.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Look for Faulk to be the next veteran victim, who’s lost a step, to end up somewhere else. Parayko is just gonna be too hard to move right now.

Parayko doesn't need to be moved. He's literally the anchor that keeps the mediocre defense afloat against good competition.

If anything i'm hoping this move allows both Parayko and Faulk to have competent partners.

The two years of contract for Fowler, Saad and Leddy mean pretty little to the Blues. None of the pieces that they need to hit are going to have a contract up prior to that. If anything, it makes managing the cap once Broberg/Holloway need extensions much more managable. Not to mention, Krug, Binnington and Faulk expire the following year.

I don't think you will see Parayko moved unless he is on the backend of this deal and the Blues haven't come out the better half of this retool. Not because he's unable to be moved, but because the Blues do not wish to move him.

 

[TheOrganist]

Look for Faulk to be the next veteran victim, who’s lost a step, to end up somewhere else. Parayko is just gonna be too hard to move right now.

Is this Dom? Parayko is still one of the best defensive defensemen in the league and would be highly coveted if he was ever made available which he isn’t and won’t be.

 

[Reality Czech]

Look for Faulk to be the next veteran victim, who’s lost a step, to end up somewhere else. Parayko is just gonna be too hard to move right now.

Why would we even want to move Parayko? That's absurd.

 

[StreetHawk]

It was a tough spot, no doubt. But even though the D corps was pretty good and young, it was also clear none of them were superstars. It wasn't like they could build around being a suffocating D with a great goalie.

I don't know that it was ever an option to move all of them, but they sort of let it slow bleed instead. You could kind of see it coming, but they definitely could have sold high on some guys, taken a temporary step back, and shortened the rebuild into a retool.

Verbeek came in in '22 and I think correctly assessed that it had passed the window for a potential retool, and required full teardown. The prospect pipeline was still pretty iffy at that point beyond Zegras.

In 2022 the option was easy as 3 of those guys were due to be ufa. So extending them made no sense not at the 28-30 years of age there were in 2022. Would waste all of their remaining productive years.

Letting it bleed out was the wrong move. Out of all of them Lindholm would have returned a haul in 2019 with 3 years left on his deal with no trade protection at the time.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

I guarantee Krug goes back or Leddy

guarantee??

 

[LuGBuG]

Why would we even want to move Parayko? That's absurd.

Difficult to move Dman that just made team Canada lollllllll

 

[Vitto79]

guarantee??

I know nothing

 

[Jumptheshark]

15 years is a hell of a run on a single team. Almost made it to 1000 games with a single team.

Gotta think, Gibson is next

 

[BlueDream]

If you like soft, uninterested puck movers that don't skate well anymore, you will be pleased Blues fans.

Unfortunately our GM seems obsessed with adding these types of players, for some reason. Our blue line is filled with them.

The Blues love mediocrity. Fowler is a huge get to help us solidify the 9th seed in the West!!! How exciting.

 

[MCB]

Well that's the last of Anaheim's once young and elite D core. Crazy how they had Montour, Lindholm, Manson at one point. Thought they would be there for decade+.

And Theodore. It hurts to think about.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Parayko, Faulk, Krug, Leddy, and now Fowler.

Nothing is going to stop St. Louis from winning the Stanley Cup in 2019.

We did win Cup in 2019!

 

[TheNumber4]

And Theodore. It hurts to think about.

Holy crap. Thought I might be forgetting someone. But yeh, him too.

 

[ohcomeonref]

And Theodore. It hurts to think about.

Thanks Bobby!

 

[Spazkat]

I’m prob the biggest Fowler hater on ducks board…. But I think at that cap and what you paid asset wise…. Blues fans will be fine with the move overall

I dunno, I'm not far behind you. between taking him when Tarasenko was still available, and then later trading both Theodore and Lindholm while keeping him... Left a bad taste all the way around

 

[Filthy Dangles]

15 years is a hell of a run on a single team. Almost made it to 1000 games with a single team.

Gotta think, Gibson is next

He's got an extra 2 years @ 6.4M, he's playing like a backup goalie.

I can't see teams taking the risk

Verbeek got fleeced again… he hasn’t had many wins in free agency or trades, and can’t say he gets any credit for draft picks with Madden running the show.

Ducks are unwatchable now like the Angels until there is new management. I’m so envious of major market teams that do not accept mediocrity, and definitely ones that don’t accept being laughingstocks of their leagues like billionaire Samueli has…

How'd he get fleeced when he got a 2nd for mediocre player in Fowler

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Seems like a nice bit of business for the Ducks. Retool their defense a bit while gaining picks

 

[SI90]

End of an era

 

[Reality Czech]

He's got an extra 2 years @ 6.4M, he's playing like a backup goalie.

I can't see teams taking the risk



How'd he get fleeced when he got a 2nd for mediocre player in Fowler

I'm wondering if the retention is the added value that clinched the 2nd rounder as a return. That would be my guess but it's just a guess. But I certainly wouldn't say Verbeek got fleeced. Seems like a fair deal valuewise.