Speculation: ANA - DET

[LeBrun is a Clown]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

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[Pierce Hawthorne]

Quality speculation

 

[ZDH]

If Seider doesn't sign we fold the franchise - sell naming rights to Utah and walk into the sunset.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

It would cost a lot more than McTavish to get Seider. Seider is one of those players where if is he on ur team you do everything to get him to sign and you don't trade him unless its for a absolute kings ransom.

 

[Bgav]

Quality speculation

i was hoping it was speculated by lebrun lol

 

[All Mighty]

For Fowler + Gibson, it’s difficult to even come up with enough cap coming the Ducks way to even it out. Maatta + Husso + Holl + Veleno/Fischer is about right in terms of sending back the necessary cap (and that’s assuming no retention on anyone, and also that Husso and/or Holl wouldn’t block the trade). I thought Gibson would be a great target for Detroit before free agency started, but I have a hard time seeing a fit now. I think Fowler is a much better fit for them at this moment.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If Seider doesn't sign we fold the franchise - sell naming rights to Utah and walk into the sunset.

So that would lower his value

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

If Seider was available in this scenario, then McTavish is not the centerpiece.

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For Fowler and Gibson to Detroit, can't happen with the cap. No move clauses and such is just too complicated. And Detroit having to sign two young RFA's.

 

[tomd]

Seems to me that if Detroit had any interest in Gibson he'd already be in Michigan.

 

[LokiDog]

Seider will be a top five D in the league starting in a year or two and continuing anywhere from 10-20 years depending on health. I love McT but I can’t see it. Theres very few pieces in the league you move Seider for, and that’s only if he asks out.

 

[Gliff]

If Seider is available I would say there is not any piece off the table except Carlsson.

 

[Petes2424]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

I’d tend to say “No” to the combined trade (this late in the summer) but maybe Detroit, who’s talked with Verbeek about Gibson, would pull the trigger if Fowler is included. I’d still tend to say it’s just too late in the summer for a goaltender trade, unless Talbot has an injury we don’t know about.

As for Seider, he isn’t going anywhere. I’d be floored. You win Cups with dmen like Seider and the price would be through the roof. He’s not getting traded for MacTavish and some throw ins. Unlike most of the crop of young defensive stars, he plays the hard minutes every single night and excels. It’s gonna be pretty hard finding a better dman when he hits about 25. Especially as they finally find a partner for him.

As for the Fowler speculation today? He’s been asked each summer since Verbeek arrived, if he wanted to stay or move on. He is a good fit to be around their young Dmen in Anaheim, and I’m under the impression he was firmly committed to stay in Anaheim earlier this summer.

So it’s strange his name was thrown out there like it was today.

He will always be connected to Detroit because it’s his hometown obviously, but this is something new. I’m not sure if a team called, and they approached him again, or if he called Verbeek, OR if Friedman just has some bad information.

That said, Detroit would have to be one of the leaders to acquire Cam, but don’t count out Nashville someone said today. They’ve been after a Top 4 dman and with what they got going on, Cam could be very interested going there.

Cam can play both sides without blinking too, so he could 100% play with either Seider or Edvinsson.

If it’s gonna happen, it’s probably happening this weekend. This won’t be something that lingers into camp. Verbeek has too much respect for Fowler.

Like I said, this speculation really has come out of nowhere. If it were May or June I’d put more stock in it, but he’s not talking to anyone tonight, from what I understand. So maybe there’s something to it. I just know he’s loved playing in Anaheim and unlike most Detroit kids, who constantly joke about playing in Detroit, he’s only ever really said, it would be cool if it ever happened, but he’s always been happy in Anaheim.

No clue what the compensation would be but it’s safe to say Maatta or Holl would be part of any trade. Not the main piece though.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I said it a few months ago, Fowler would be a great fit in Detroit and probably one of the teams he would waive to being from the area

 

[Zaronji]

I don't have a link handy, but Seider told the press in MI that he isn't going anywhere (he's building a house here, etc.) but said he wants a fair salary. He's also been on the record saying Raymond is his best friend off the ice too, so it wouldn't surprise me if they''re trying to get matching term and be the next Parise/Suter combo. All this would explain why it's taking a while, however.

 

[Gurglesons]

McTavish getting incredibly underrated.

Not sure Ducks would even trade him for Seider.

 

[Captain97]

The only way seider is ever traded if it's absurd or an offersheet is negotiated with Seider that the wings can't match and instead of signing it they work out a deal with the team offering it. See Phil Kessel

 

[Crazy8oooo]

McTavish getting incredibly underrated.

Not sure Ducks would even trade him for Seider.

From a needs perspective alone, I’d definitely trade McTavish for Seider as a Ducks fan. Value wise, I’d still do it without hesitation. I think McTavish turns in to a really good player but value Seider more highly.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

McTavish getting incredibly underrated.

Not sure Ducks would even trade him for Seider.

If you wouldnt trade McTavish for Moritz Seider then thank god your not a GM lol, wings say no in less than 1 second to this deal

 

[Gurglesons]

If you wouldnt trade McTavish for Moritz Seider then thank god your not a GM lol, wings say no in less than 1 second to this deal

Neat. Not shocked that Wings fans are defensive about one of their two good draft picks over the last few seasons.

 

[TS Quint]

How much do the Ducks expect to pay to unload Gibson?

Neat. Not shocked that Wings fans are defensive about one of their two good draft picks over the last few seasons.

So bitter, Lmao!

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Neat. Not shocked that Wings fans are defensive about one of their two good draft picks over the last few seasons.

You do realize they were from 2019 and 2020..... the 21, 22, 23 aren't in the show yet but extremely close? lol

Also not sure how thats related to you saying you wouldnt trade McTavish for Seider... literally 100% of ducks fans would disagree with you.

 

[Gurglesons]

So bitter, Lmao!

Bitter about what?

I just don't get the idea that Seider isn't worth McTavish?

Seider is closer to being Dion Phaneuf than a franchise D. McTavish is a foundational piece for the Ducks forward group.

 

[anezthes]

literally 100% of ducks fans would disagree with you.

Incorrect.

 

[TS Quint]

Bitter about what?

I just don't get the idea that Seider isn't worth McTavish?

Seider is closer to being Dion Phaneuf than a franchise D. McTavish is a foundational piece for the Ducks forward group.

You said nothing about value. Just a bitter comment about Wings drafting. At best you are trolling. At worst you actually believe the above comment. Keep salty my friend.

 

[Gurglesons]

You said nothing about value. Just a bitter comment about Wings drafting. At best you are trolling. At worst you actually believe the above comment. Keep salty my friend.

Why would I be salty about the Wings? My team ended their championship window in 09?