Proposal: Ana-Car

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Fowler
Terrance

For

Orlov
Perron


Reasoning:

Carolina gets a vet top 4 dman for two years, helps bring the next wave in. Also, a project.

Anaheim gets a top 4 dman that's a UFA. Sell with retention, gets more building blocks. Also, a project.

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[Pia8988]

Don't see any incentive for the Ducks?

 

[MMC]

This does nothing for Anaheim. Less than nothing, really

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Don't see any incentive for the Ducks?

It's the last line in the OP.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It's the last line in the OP.

why not just trade fowler to get more building blocks if that's the goal?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

why not just trade fowler to get more building blocks if that's the goal?

Because I was thinking that Carolina could use him.

After Slavin, it's pretty weak until Nikishin comes over.

 

[FiveTacos]

Because I was thinking that Carolina could use him.

Well that's fine and dandy, but it has to make sense for the other side. Not only do the Ducks get the worse veteran, you also have the Ducks throwing in a recent 2nd rounder, and get back a guy who was picked later in the same draft?

 

[MMC]

It's the last line in the OP.

i don’t understand how that’s supposed to be an incentive for us. We aren’t doing anything this season

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

No interest from the other perspective. There’s a potential adjustment period in Carolina’s system. Hamilton went through it. Orlov himself went through it. I’m not seeing the reward to justify the risk. Orlov is off to a strong start, proving that he still is a legit Top 4 defender. Try to win with him without hesitation.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Fowler
Terrance

For

Orlov
Perron


Reasoning:

Carolina gets a vet top 4 dman for two years, helps bring the next wave in. Also, a project.

Anaheim gets a top 4 dman that's a UFA. Sell with retention, gets more building blocks. Also, a project.

I don’t mind the idea of fowler to carolina



I can’t see PV being a fan of perron(I don’t mind him personally).

Orlov likely flipped w/ retention from us…. Or some sort of 3 way trade.

 

[Rec T]

It's the last line in the OP.

"Also a project"? Whee...

Anaheim is having enough problems developing players who should be genuine stars. Taking on a project really isn't that enticing. Especially one (5'9" >170#) who's pretty much the opposite of what PV is looking for. Granted, he is RW which is something that the Ducks could use.

They also have no need for Orlov at the moment, there's a logjam at D even with Fowler moving out. I also can't see them being too enthused about trading a C prospect that they just drafted in the 2nd round.

No thanks.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Well that's fine and dandy, but it has to make sense for the other side. Not only do the Ducks get the worse veteran, you also have the Ducks throwing in a recent 2nd rounder, and get back a guy who was picked later in the same draft?

The Ducks get a 'worse' veteran, who is a UFA.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

"Also a project"? Whee...

Anaheim is having enough problems developing players who should be genuine stars. Taking on a project really isn't that enticing. Especially one (5'9" >170#) who's pretty much the opposite of what PV is looking for. Granted, he is RW which is something that the Ducks could use.

They also have no need for Orlov at the moment, there's a logjam at D even with Fowler moving out. I also can't see them being too enthused about trading a C prospect that they just drafted in the 2nd round.

No thanks.

Ok. Sell Orlov with retention.

It's in the OP.

Also, it's not like either in the OP are top prospects. Could they make it? Yes. Could they both bust...?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ok. Sell Orlov with retention.

It's in the OP.

Also, it's not like either in the OP are top prospects. Could they make it? Yes. Could they both bust...?

I think our scouts prob want to keep the guy we recently picked…. And pv hasn’t really showed much love towards smallish guys.

So that part of the trade is prob a no go

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I think our scouts prob want to keep the guy we recently picked…. And pv hasn’t really showed much love towards smallish guys.

So that part of the trade is prob a no go

If you want to pick different prospects, I'm ok with that.

 

[FiveTacos]

The Ducks get a 'worse' veteran, who is a UFA.

And that matters to the Ducks why?

 

[MMC]

The Ducks get a 'worse' veteran, who is a UFA.

Again, not sure how this is supposed to be a positive

 

[cheesymc]

I think the Ducks would do it only if they have a taker for Orlov for 50% retained if the return was solid. They also do Cam a solid with him paying less taxes on a competitive team.

 

[irishsetter13]

Ok. Sell Orlov with retention.

It's in the OP.

Also, it's not like either in the OP are top prospects. Could they make it? Yes. Could they both bust...?

So your answer to everything is "Anaheim just figures it out" or "You can just trade him too".

The value isnt there. It doesnt make sense for Anaheim to make a lateral move just for Carolina. They are in the same spot as before.

Why dont you offer a three way deal where Orlov is moved to another team and then maybe there is a discussion.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Canes aren't looking to move Orlov, who has been one of their better defensemen this year. As BDC stated above, most every new defenseman to Carolina has a learning period due to the weird system they play. Canes aren't throwing in the towel this year.

This makes even less sense for ANA. They could trade Fowler for a better return than trading a rental if they really want to go the route of assets.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The Ducks get a 'worse' veteran, who is a UFA.

I really don't see how that motivates Anaheim to make this trade. Trading a player for a worse player, somehow is good for the Ducks?

 

[Rec T]

I really don't see how that motivates Anaheim to make this trade. Trading a player for a worse player, somehow is good for the Ducks?

Ah, but you're overlooking the merchandise angle. Think about how valuable an Anaheim Orlov jersey will be if he only gets to play for two or three games before being flipped again.

Amazing next level thinking, I'm in awe of the subtlety of this trade proposal. Allowing forward thinking fans to cash in too. Truly breathtaking...

 

[bleedgreen]

I can see the reasons. The Canes get someone to transition into the Nikishin era with, in case the impact isn’t immediate. The Ducks get out of paying the salary a year earlier. I don’t think the Ducks are in cap trouble and theCanes could still try to sign Orlov for another year, he’s a better natural fit (than Fowler) for the transition year of Nikishin anyways. Most importantly, the Canes have Slavin and Ghost who likely aren’t going anywhere so it would leave the Canes with too many LD as they have to make space for Nikishin. If they keep another LD around in case he isn’t ready you’d think it would be someone less expensive than either of these two.

 

[FiveTacos]

The Ducks get out of paying the salary a year earlier.

They're already likely to move Fowler this season. Both he and Dumoulin are almost assuredly gone before the TDL, perhaps even sooner.

 

[qc14]

Orlov is a significantly better player than Fowler