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I’d imagine because flames don’t have a 1st, it would be 2nd + monahan +.
Idk any good comparables tho as far as a Monahan trade goes, is marleau similar?
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Idk any good comparables tho as far as a Monahan trade goes, is marleau similar?
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On that note , marleau previous 3 years prior to his trade was better than Monahans 3 years.
Not sure if age/injury arguements is going to help much.
The similarities come from the fact that both teams needed to move 6 million $ players to make room for other players, difference is marleau was better statistically than Monahan has been.
Do you have another example?
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That doesnt matter, Marleau refused to play for any team but Toronto or San Jose and would only waive on the premise of a guaranteed buy out. That buy out then had his full cap hit instantly became of the 35+ rule so whoever was willing to take him had to instantly forfeit 6M cap space for the entire season to not have someone play for them
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I think steel prob gunna be odd man out anyway so that might actually work out
3 years ago Monahan had 82 points and 34 goals. Marleau was 11 years removed from his last season like that when traded. If you want to pretend a 26 year old center has the same value as a 39 year old winger be my guest I guess.
Seravelli said lots of teams were interested in him at the TDL for what it's worth. Probably the 2nd most connected insider after Friedman.
Monahan has had 6 surgeries the last 2.5 years. That takes a toll. Lots of people thought Tarasenko was done too.
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I don’t think he listed a value tho… and tarasenko isn’t exactly a normality… there def is significant risk on bringing Monahan and you arnt getting him with the impression he’s going to be a 60 point + guy
Calgary certain has to move Monahan more than any team needs him
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If you are acquiring him for dirt cheap and not in cap trouble I would say there is virtually zero risk in bring him on
You are right that no team "needs him" but that doesnt mean no one would have interest in taking a shot on him bouncing back in a new environment. Similar to how Florida took a shot with Wennberg last year
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At this point, I'm hoping we can just convince Monahan to take the year off to get healthy and we don't have to give up assets or buy him out. Imo, it'd be the smartest move for Monahan to stop rushing back to play and getting way worse every year. Unless he can fix his health (which who knows if he can), he's not even an NHL player. Best thing he could do for continuing to play in the NHL is to do that, and it'd be pretty beneficial for the Flames as well.
Pipe dream? Maybe, but I think the logic is there
I'm low key hoping for that as well. It would be the best thing for both him and the team. He still gets paid, gets healthy and we get LTIR then Lucic comes off the books next year.
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I don’t recall the wennberg situation, but he wasn’t getting paid 6 mil, did Florida even trade for him?
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No it's a bit of a different situation. Wennberg was bought out after a few bad seasons caused by constant injuries, he then signed a 1 year deal with Florida where he certainly rebounded. Since Florida was a contender last year they had no reason to move him and instead kept him as a "self rental."
Basically they spent zero assets to get him, he both revitalized his career and helped out out a contender.
Monahan would be a bit different here as a non-contender would be acquiring him to see if they can revitalize his career and then gain assets off him come deadline time. It's slightly higher risk but higher reward.
I was more or less comparing that Wennberg may be the best comparison for Monahan and what he could provide in a new situation
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What about lucic, I feel like Anaheim would be potentially interested in him as a cap dump…. If we can’t resign des
Something else would be Treliving be fired on the spot. As an Oiler fan I love this trade, which tells you how utterly horrible it is for Calgary.
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Like Staal and Stralman he's still a role player in the NHL. Would cost a 2nd to move
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It’s actually baffling to me as well. At the midpoint of January after our covid break, Sutter made a point to emphasize getting more offense from our backend. The following is how our entire D-cores pace would look over a full season before and after.
| Player | Before | After |
| Andersson | 39 points | 62 points |
| Hanifin | 32 points | 58 points |
| Tanev | 22 points | 33 points |
| Kylington | 48 points | 21 points |
| Gudbranson | 14 points | 24 points |
| Zadorov | 18 points | 21 points |
Only player who hasn’t picked up the pace is Kylington, and that’s a combination of him coming off is incredible hot streak and playing through an injury.
Point is, Sutter is turning Hanifin into a ~60 point defenseman who is doing it without time on the top power play unit, who plays 21 minutes a night of strong two way play (59 xGF%) a night. He’s only freshly 25 years old and still actively improving as well. Most fan bases would be singing his praises to anyone willing to listen, and half of ours is discussing whether he’s a top pair or second pair guy, or if he’s easily replaceable.
