Speculation: ANA “You don’t have to pinch pennies anymore”

[lanceuppercut75]

If Ducks are willing to add players on multi-year deals with big-ish salaries to make the team better...

It's been discussed in previous threads, but something around Zellweger + pick/prospect for Pulock seems mutually beneficial. How big or small the pick/prospect is can be argued but the fit seems there for both teams.

LaCombe - Pulock
Mintyukov - Trouba
( UFA / Solberg ) - Gudas
Helleson

Islanders winning the lottery and potentially drafting Schaefer does change the calculus a bit though, in terms of left-handed D. Pelech would probably stay through a rebuild. Romanov is already there. Add in Shaefer and Zellweger and you have 4 lefties. It would probably have to be Pulock for Zellweger + 2nd piece and then Romanov moved as well. Honestly, I think that makes sense, as a proper rebuild is needed. The Islanders core is not a few pieces a way from winning a cup. It's just not good enough and needs to be blown up.

Pelech - Dobson
Schaefer - Mayfield
Zellweger - ( Romanov trade / UFA )

Looks like a good D core for a rebuilding team : bad now, but with the pieces to potentially get a lot better in a few years. Whether Dobson stays or is also traded a little later on, I don't know which way that would go.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Boeser for 5x6? Reluctantly okay. Wouldn't love it but I'll take it over 7x14+ to Marner or 7x8 to Ehlers. If we're signing a perimeter winger it better not be high term and aav.

 

[tomd]

If Ducks are willing to add players on multi-year deals with big-ish salaries to make the team better...

It's been discussed in previous threads, but something around Zellweger + pick/prospect for Pulock seems mutually beneficial. How big or small the pick/prospect is can be argued but the fit seems there for both teams.

LaCombe - Pulock
Mintyukov - Trouba
( UFA / Solberg ) - Gudas
Helleson

Islanders winning the lottery and potentially drafting Schaefer does change the calculus a bit though, in terms of left-handed D. Pelech would probably stay through a rebuild. Romanov is already there. Add in Shaefer and Zellweger and you have 4 lefties. It would probably have to be Pulock for Zellweger + 2nd piece and then Romanov moved as well. Honestly, I think that makes sense, as a proper rebuild is needed. The Islanders core is not a few pieces a way from winning a cup. It's just not good enough and needs to be blown up.

Pelech - Dobson
Schaefer - Mayfield
Zellweger - ( Romanov trade / UFA )

Looks like a good D core for a rebuilding team : bad now, but with the pieces to potentially get a lot better in a few years. Whether Dobson stays or is also traded a little later on, I don't know which way that would go.

The fastest way to turn the Ducks into the islanders is to start trading 21 year-olds on ELC’s for 31 year-old on long term expensive contracts. Look elsewhere for a team to help clean up your mess. With all due respect.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Boeser for 5x6? Reluctantly okay. Wouldn't love it but I'll take it over 7x14+ to Marner or 7x8 to Ehlers. If we're signing a perimeter winger it better not be high term and aav.

If Boeser was willing to accept that contract he would be resigned. He wants 7-8 years and at least 7M+

 

[Spargon]

Marner and Babcock were best buddies! I am sure he would thrive under another coach with questionable ethics.

 

[The Duck Knight]

If Boeser was willing to accept that contract he would be resigned. He wants 7-8 years and at least 7M+

I'm sure he wants that but the lack of interest at the deadline has me thinking his market may not be what he and his agent thinks it is.

 

[SmokeyDuck]

If Ducks are willing to add players on multi-year deals with big-ish salaries to make the team better...

It's been discussed in previous threads, but something around Zellweger + pick/prospect for Pulock seems mutually beneficial. How big or small the pick/prospect is can be argued but the fit seems there for both teams.

LaCombe - Pulock
Mintyukov - Trouba
( UFA / Solberg ) - Gudas
Helleson

Islanders winning the lottery and potentially drafting Schaefer does change the calculus a bit though, in terms of left-handed D. Pelech would probably stay through a rebuild. Romanov is already there. Add in Shaefer and Zellweger and you have 4 lefties. It would probably have to be Pulock for Zellweger + 2nd piece and then Romanov moved as well. Honestly, I think that makes sense, as a proper rebuild is needed. The Islanders core is not a few pieces a way from winning a cup. It's just not good enough and needs to be blown up.

Pelech - Dobson
Schaefer - Mayfield
Zellweger - ( Romanov trade / UFA )

Looks like a good D core for a rebuilding team : bad now, but with the pieces to potentially get a lot better in a few years. Whether Dobson stays or is also traded a little later on, I don't know which way that would go.

Maybe for Dobson, not Pulock.

 

[Gliff]

If Ducks are willing to add players on multi-year deals with big-ish salaries to make the team better...

It's been discussed in previous threads, but something around Zellweger + pick/prospect for Pulock seems mutually beneficial. How big or small the pick/prospect is can be argued but the fit seems there for both teams.

LaCombe - Pulock
Mintyukov - Trouba
( UFA / Solberg ) - Gudas
Helleson

Islanders winning the lottery and potentially drafting Schaefer does change the calculus a bit though, in terms of left-handed D. Pelech would probably stay through a rebuild. Romanov is already there. Add in Shaefer and Zellweger and you have 4 lefties. It would probably have to be Pulock for Zellweger + 2nd piece and then Romanov moved as well. Honestly, I think that makes sense, as a proper rebuild is needed. The Islanders core is not a few pieces a way from winning a cup. It's just not good enough and needs to be blown up.

Pelech - Dobson
Schaefer - Mayfield
Zellweger - ( Romanov trade / UFA )

Looks like a good D core for a rebuilding team : bad now, but with the pieces to potentially get a lot better in a few years. Whether Dobson stays or is also traded a little later on, I don't know which way that would go.

Not going to touch that contract. He would be a perfect fit otherwise.

Pageau is a much better fit for the Ducks 3rd line. What would the cost be for him?

 

[blinkman360]

Not going to touch that contract. He would be a perfect fit otherwise.

Pageau is a much better fit for the Ducks 3rd line. What would the cost be for him?

As an Isles fan...not much. We need prospect depth. A couple of B-grade guys would work. Doesn't even matter the position, but if we're going Schaefer I'd lean towards adding more forwards.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I love how 32 fan bases are planning their next season around Mitch Marner next year and he’s probably going to stay with the Leafs lol.

 

[HFpapi]

Could Anaheim be a nice little low-pressure landing spot for EP40 to get his career back on track and make a great 1-2 Swedish center punch with Carlsson?

Nucks fans might not love this trade but something like Zegras, one of the Ducks many talented young D (Zellweger) and next years 1st?

 

[tomd]

Could Anaheim be a nice little low-pressure landing spot for EP40 to get his career back on track and make a great 1-2 Swedish center punch with Carlsson?

Nucks fans might not love this trade but something like Zegras, one of the Ducks many talented young D (Zellweger) and next years 1st?

I think Carlsson-McTavish is already a pretty good 1-2 punch at a fraction of the cost.

 

[Gliff]

As an Isles fan...not much. We need prospect depth. A couple of B-grade guys would work. Doesn't even matter the position, but if we're going Schaefer I'd lean towards adding more forwards.

This is a no brainer then. He would be perfect for the Ducks.

 

[HFpapi]

I think Carlsson-McTavish is already a pretty good 1-2 punch at a fraction of the cost.

You could be right but I see Carlsson more of the 75-80 point dominant two-way center a la Kopitar. Now that's obviously a true #1 if you're being compared to Kopitar but it would be nice to have that other more offensive center who can get closer to 100 points.

McTavish will never be that. Maybe he can be converted to a great top line winger in the Landeskog mold or like the ultimate 3rd line center like Jordan Staal on the Pens 09 cup team.

 

[tomd]

As an Isles fan...not much. We need prospect depth. A couple of B-grade guys would work. Doesn't even matter the position, but if we're going Schaefer I'd lean towards adding more forwards.

Why not just wait until the TDL and get a much better return for him? He'll be much more valuable then than now.

 

[tomd]

You could be right but I see Carlsson more of the 75-80 point dominant two-way center a la Kopitar. Now that's obviously a true #1 if you're being compared to Kopitar but it would be nice to have that other more offensive center who can get closer to 100 points.

McTavish will never be that. Maybe he can be converted to a great top line winger in the Landeskog mold or like the ultimate 3rd line center like Jordan Staal on the Pens 09 cup team.

From a roster construction standpoint, Carlsson-McTavish is perfect IMO. They already have their 4C of the future in either Gaucher or Washe. Just need a 3C at some point (Strome has the job for the next couple of years). EP40 would be a luxury and his cost and the assets required to get him would be much better spent elsewhere.

As for Vancouver, what is the goal of such a trade? Are you trying to tank for Mckenna? Would make much more sense for the Canucks if you got EP40 straightened out and added a legit 2C. Zegras might be available for the right price.

 

[tnnr]

You could be right but I see Carlsson more of the 75-80 point dominant two-way center a la Kopitar. Now that's obviously a true #1 if you're being compared to Kopitar but it would be nice to have that other more offensive center who can get closer to 100 points.

McTavish will never be that. Maybe he can be converted to a great top line winger in the Landeskog mold or like the ultimate 3rd line center like Jordan Staal on the Pens 09 cup team.

That's an irresponsible take on McTavish. He's only 22 and has taken a step forward every season. Just put up 22 goals and 52 points under a coach that didn't really have the best offensive system. There's no reason Ducks fans shouldn't expect McTavish to turn into a solid 30/40 guy who can make a great 1/2 punch with Carlsson.

 

[Gliff]

You could be right but I see Carlsson more of the 75-80 point dominant two-way center a la Kopitar. Now that's obviously a true #1 if you're being compared to Kopitar but it would be nice to have that other more offensive center who can get closer to 100 points.

McTavish will never be that. Maybe he can be converted to a great top line winger in the Landeskog mold or like the ultimate 3rd line center like Jordan Staal on the Pens 09 cup team.

I think most see him more in the Barkov mold. Even still, Kopitar lead his team to 2 cups. I think the Ducks will be very happy if that is the outcome.

McTavish will never be what? A #2 center? He just scored 52 points in his age 21 season. His 40 even strength points compare to:
Wyatt Johnston - 43
Larkin - 43
Jack Hughes - 41

He will be fine in a #2 role.

 

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

I love how 32 fan bases are planning their next season around Mitch Marner next year and he’s probably going to stay with the Leafs lol.

Thats fine ill settle for knies

 

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

That's an irresponsible take on McTavish. He's only 22 and has taken a step forward every season. Just put up 22 goals and 52 points under a coach that didn't really have the best offensive system. There's no reason Ducks fans shouldn't expect McTavish to turn into a solid 30/40 guy who can make a great 1/2 punch with Carlsson.

Ya McTavish imo will be a very good 2c. Our powerplay gets to league average, and your going to see a steady boost on all of our young guys on top of their already developing game and increasing stats.

 

[TGWL]

Please take him. Prepare to be disappointed once he doesnt have Matthews coattails to ride. Don't say i didn't warn you.

Gonna be downright ugly when Marner is in his early 30s. Hes tiny, doesnt go to dirty areas, has a weak shot and one of the leagues slowest players already.

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Did you just ignore the regular season?



If you want to go by playoffs, here's Matthews. Not sure why anybody would use an 8 game sample.

 

[Antropovsky]

Did you just ignore the regular season?

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If you want to go by playoffs, here's Matthews. Not sure why anybody would use an 8 game sample.
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A one time speed and one time shot speed is a useless stat to me. A slow skater can get going pretty fast with enough time (at one time), a player who generally has a weak shot, might get lucky one time and get alot on a shot...especially if he has a bit of time.

Overall though, Marner is generally always below 50 in most of the shot and skating speed categories. He needs a running start to not get caught on a breakaway. And opponents usually catch him like hes standing still.

Don't take my word for it, listen to Jon Cooper:

"When you're that size you have to have something. You have to be unique at something. You have to be better than everybody else at something.

And if you really watch that game, the plays he (Marner) made in tight, the plays he made in traffic, and he's not the fastest kid on the ice. Doesn't have the hardest shot on the ice.

Doesn't do a whole bunch of things that a lot of guys out there on both teams do better than him. But it's really hard to sit here and say, 'Well was there a better player?'

You know, he puts himself at that elite level the way he thinks the game, the way he processes the game at such a high level and at such a high rate of speed, and that's why he's the player he is. - Jon Cooper"

Cooper said it after game 1, but by game 3 Marner was on the 4th line and had played the least amount of 5v5 mins.

Sure he was moved up midway or later through game 4 but Cooper said he did it "because he looked like he had legs".

Connor Mcdavid was asked about his linemates Reinhart and Marner, and he said this about Marner "Mitch, the playmaker, kinda plays high in the zone.."

I've said this for years, Marner is always up near the blueline and never in front of the goalie or around the net.

Seems Mcdavid noticed it too.

 

[The Shadow]

Let’s see if Quinneville has the ability to lure top free agents. If we miss again, I’d like to see our organization make their first ever offer sheet. We need power forwards like Knies or Cuylle, or at least a Jeannot or Frederic, and a long term physical RHD to get closer to completing our squad. Knies would be ideal to help our league worst power play but would we offer 9+ million?

Please remove Knies from your thoughts and mouth. Toronto will match whatever it takes. Give it up. He’s a RFA. This is not a UFA.

 

[FiveTacos]

I'm sure he wants that but the lack of interest at the deadline has me thinking his market may not be what he and his agent thinks it is.

Someone will pony up, with the rising cap and the general need for anyone who can score. It may not be a smart deal, mind you, but it only takes one GM to be desperate/stupid. And there's almost always at least one.

I think some people underestimate just how stupid the money is gonna get in the next few years.

You could be right but I see Carlsson more of the 75-80 point dominant two-way center a la Kopitar. Now that's obviously a true #1 if you're being compared to Kopitar but it would be nice to have that other more offensive center who can get closer to 100 points.

McTavish will never be that. Maybe he can be converted to a great top line winger in the Landeskog mold or like the ultimate 3rd line center like Jordan Staal on the Pens 09 cup team.

You're sleeping on both guys a little bit. In the 2nd half, McTavish had 32 points in his last 35 games. Carlsson had 29 in his last 30. At their age, and without the benefit of padding with a decent PP, that's excellent production, and certainly suggests a higher ceiling.

I wouldn't rule out Carlsson as a 100 point guy down the road, unless you think the last few months where he paced at 79 points is all the offense he's ever gonna have.

I don't think McTavish has quite as much raw offensive potential, but a near PPG pace for 35 games is not a blip. At this point you'd have to say his FLOOR is likely an excellent 3C, his ceiling might be low end 1C.

 

[cheesymc]

Please remove Knies from your thoughts and mouth. Toronto will match whatever it takes. Give it up. He’s a RFA. This is not a UFA.

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