Proposal: Alzner+ for Lucic+ (Trade made this season or in the off season trade)

[Michel Beauchamp]

How so?

This is the previous post:

Except for the buy-out cost.

Lucic buy-out only saves $5M out of $24M over the next 4 seasons, and then costs $2.5M over seasons 5-8.

Alzner buy-out saves $6.4M out of $13.875M over the next 3 seasons, and then cost $3.2M over seasons 4-6.

I call that buy-out proof.

Am I wrong ?

PS: I just noted that the buy-out date in your scree shot in June 2021.

You would keep Lucic for the next 2 seasons ?

And even then the buy-out only saves $2.333M out of $12M over the last 2 seasons and then cost $1.167 over seasons 3-4.

Total savings: $1,167M out of $12M...

 

[Junohockeyfan]

How so?

That’s buyout proof. You implemented the buyout in 2021 and the following two years there are minimal cap savings.

 

[Rico Suave]

Lucic is terrible and attached to an even more terrible contract so NO !! And werent u in love with Lekhonen saying hes almost worth Huberdeau ? Lol

 

[ole ole]

Oilers Trade:
- Lucic (4 more years after this year at $6M AAV from age 31-34)
- Nurse (1 more year after this year at $3.2M and then gets a huge raise)

Habs Trade:
- Alzner (3 more years after this year at $4.625M from age 31-33)
- Lehkonen or Byron (pick one)
- Juulsen or Fleury (pick one)
- 2019 2nd

Oilers save $1.4M and one year in term with the Lucic/Alzner swap. If Sekera comes back to the guy he was before, are you ok with trading Nurse and going with... Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, and Bouchard as your top 4D?

No chance in hell the Habs do that. No more Lucic to the Habs .We don't want the worst contract in the league at any cost.

 

[Mersss]

Alzner can be exposed @ Seattle expansion draft,

Lucic cant.

End of discussion!

 

[HuGort]

but we live in a world of cap hits. While Lucic's contract is one year longer, the over all cap hit difference would not incentive enough for the oilers to make the trade. Cap hit difference is something like 1.38 and that does not save the oilers much money. At the end of the day cap hit trumps actual $$$ now

More than that, closer to 2.3 million per year. As Alzner can be sent down. Plus, 1 less year. Lucic also has to be protected in expansion draft. As he has no-trade contract. Alzner doesn't have to be protected.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Alzner can be exposed @ Seattle expansion draft,

Lucic cant.

End of discussion!

I expect MB buys out Alzner after it is confirmed that there will be no free compliance buyouts.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No no no no no no no no no no no no NO.

NONONONONO.

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

We are NOT packaging Darnell Nurse with Lucic just to get a garbage contract almost as bad as Lucic’s and spare parts back. Horrawful. Nurse is too important to this team and too valuable to throw him away like this.

Calgary and the Islanders are finding ways to win their own garbage contracts and they’re not going to jettison a young #3 for throw ins and neither should we.

 

[Mersss]

I expect MB buys out Alzner after it is confirmed that there will be no free compliance buyouts.

Why buy him out?

We have the cap space to fit him... Why buying him out and attach ourselves to the guy for another 2 years after the end of his contractr (assuming he's bought out after the end of this NHLPA contract)...

Problem here isn't the salary, but the fact he can be exposed to Seattle, therefore protecting our other kids like Juulsen or Fleury...

Lucic can't, and i'd be pissed to loose a kid like Juulsen because we had to protect Lucic, rather see EDM loose one of Yamamoto or Bear, will be funnier!

 

[Mersss]

No no no no no no no no no no no no NO.

NONONONONO.

NOOOOOOOOOOO.

We are NOT packaging Darnell Nurse with Lucic just to get a garbage contract almost as bad as Lucic’s and spare parts back. Horrawful. Nurse is too important to this team and too valuable to throw him away like this.

Calgary and the Islanders are finding ways to win their own garbage contracts and they’re not going to jettison a young #3 for throw ins and neither should we.

Who do you plan on losing to Seattle, Yamamoto or Bear?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Who do you plan on losing to Seattle, Yamamoto or Bear?

They could take both before I’d do OP’s deal.

Cute that you think we’ll have enough players worth protecting, though.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why buy him out?

We have the cap space to fit him... Why buying him out and attach ourselves to the guy for another 2 years after the end of his contractr (assuming he's bought out after the end of this NHLPA contract)...

Problem here isn't the salary, but the fact he can be exposed to Seattle, therefore protecting our other kids like Juulsen or Fleury...

Lucic can't, and i'd be pissed to loose a kid like Juulsen because we had to protect Lucic, rather see EDM loose one of Yamamoto or Bear, will be funnier!

You don’t have to. But they may want to use the capspace eventually.

 

[go comets]

Both those teams deserve to keep the messes they created for themselves......

Just watched Alzner play an AHL game in Utica last night.... Betcha he wished he resigned with the caps and got his name on the cup......

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Alzner can be exposed @ Seattle expansion draft,

Lucic cant.

End of discussion!

This make a big change of value... that mean Habs would lose a better player (in the draft) because they would have to put Lucic on protected list....

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Both those teams deserve to keep the messes they created for themselves......

Just watched Alzner play an AHL game in Utica last night.... Betcha he wished he resigned with the caps and got his name on the cup......

Poor Alzner could not have predicted the Habs change in style emphasizing speed and puck possession.

He was in his element when the habs dumped and chased and played 2/3 of the game in their own zone.

 

[Mersss]

They could take both before I’d do OP’s deal.

Cute that you think we’ll have enough players worth protecting, though.

Not that they actually are worth it, the simple fact of seeing the Oilers lose a player w/ some kind of upsied (puljarvi, Yamamoto, Bear,...) Because they had to protect Lucic is actually quite nice to see... I mean, funny to look @ that team, drafting top10 over and ovr again and still sucking @ hockey... quite amusing! Knowing they'll also lose a talentd player because thay had to protect Lucic is just icing on the cake!

 

[innitfam]

That would be poor asset management by Edmonton. Nurse is one of like 3 quality defensemen they do have. Would be asinine to trade him.

Montreal has a little more reason to do this but they still don't. Why not keep Alzner

 

[48g90a138pts]

Oilers Trade:
- Lucic (4 more years after this year at $6M AAV from age 31-34)
- Nurse (1 more year after this year at $3.2M and then gets a huge raise)

Habs Trade:
- Alzner (3 more years after this year at $4.625M from age 31-33)
- Lehkonen or Byron (pick one)
- Juulsen or Fleury (pick one)
- 2019 2nd

Oilers save $1.4M and one year in term with the Lucic/Alzner swap. If Sekera comes back to the guy he was before, are you ok with trading Nurse and going with... Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, and Bouchard as your top 4D?

Oilers tough it out one more season and July 1st 2020 Lucic's signing bonus gets paid out. That leaves $10 million owing on Lucic for 3 years, or $3,333,333 per season with a cap hit of $6 mil. For a team who wants to save some money it's a decent contract to make the cap floor. And in the worse case scenario Oilers can retain too. All the way up to 50% or $3 mil per year. With that I'm pretty sure Oilers can find a taker for Lucic at $333,333 a year for a $6 mil cap hit. And they don't have to unload a valuable asset to do it either.

Edmonton has Lucic for one more year minimum if he continues to play like he has the past year. After, he'll be gone and at no where near the cost what's being thrown around this site daily.

If a team really wants Lucic I'm sure a deal can be made but nothing like what is being offered will be accepted. I'm pretty confident Milan's production would improve once he leaves this environment. I think he's been coasting for a while now, he's not happy about not being gifted 1st line minutes on a regular basis anymore.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No chance in hell the Habs do that. No more Lucic to the Habs .We don't want the worst contract in the league at any cost.

Not much difference to pay Lucic to sit vs paying Alzner to sit... $1.4M difference per year and one year in term.

I would agree with you if we didn't have Alzner

 

[Homesick]

What would Edmonton be willing to add to lucic to get rid of that contract out of curiosity?

I doubt melnyk would be willing to take on that kind of money, but if the ++ is worth it it might make sense.

Would be fun to speculate on anyway!

Nothing. Since you brought Melnyk into it I'd propose this to him -
Milan Lucic for Bobby Ryan straight up.
The term might be longer but the real dollars and a potential buyout would save him millions

 

[Habsrule]

Just throwing this out there. Just thought of it now.

Lucic and Edmonton 1st

For

Alzner and Montreal 1st



Just guessing at draft position but if the Habs got knocked out of the first round of the playoffs their pick would be in the #15-22 range. As of right now the Oilers have the sixth worth record. Plus with the possibility of winning a lottery spot it could be more tempting.

 

[BLNY]

Oilers Trade:
- Lucic (4 more years after this year at $6M AAV from age 31-34)
- Nurse (1 more year after this year at $3.2M and then gets a huge raise)

Habs Trade:
- Alzner (3 more years after this year at $4.625M from age 31-33)
- Lehkonen or Byron (pick one)
- Juulsen or Fleury (pick one)
- 2019 2nd

Oilers save $1.4M and one year in term with the Lucic/Alzner swap. If Sekera comes back to the guy he was before, are you ok with trading Nurse and going with... Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, and Bouchard as your top 4D?

Oilers aren't giving up Nurse to get rid of Lucic and Montreal doesn't want Lucic at virtually any price. These tires have been kicked before.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oilers aren't giving up Nurse to get rid of Lucic and Montreal doesn't want Lucic at virtually any price. These tires have been kicked before.

1) Oilers trading Nurse is not likely. We agree. But what happens if Sekera is the guy he was before his injury? Oilers then have 3 solid LD's. Not saying they need to trade Nurse but they would be making a trade from a position of strength and addressing other team needs.

2) Habs need Alzner just as much as we need Lucic. If the Habs didn't have Alzner, I would not be interested in Lucic. The idea here is to save the Oilers $1.4M in cap space and one year in term. Both player get a new team and a fresh start that might result in better performances with to very bad contracts. Lets not pretend that the Oilers would not be interested in saving $1.4M in yearly cap space and one year in term by unloading Lucic.

3) Lehkonen or Byron, Juulsen or Fleury, and a 2nd (Oilers could try to negotiate a 1st) would be a decent return for Nurse. This helps their depth and the key here is if Sekera comes back to form. I'm open to talking Brook as well but that changes the package

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

away for scraps.

c'mon...
can't say that Lekh and Juulsen are scraps.... funny that comes from an oilers

 

[Mr Sakich]

Oilers tough it out one more season and July 1st 2020 Lucic's signing bonus gets paid out. That leaves $10 million owing on Lucic for 3 years, or $3,333,333 per season with a cap hit of $6 mil. For a team who wants to save some money it's a decent contract to make the cap floor. And in the worse case scenario Oilers can retain too. All the way up to 50% or $3 mil per year. With that I'm pretty sure Oilers can find a taker for Lucic at $333,333 a year for a $6 mil cap hit. And they don't have to unload a valuable asset to do it either.
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your direction is good but your numbers are off. He has 4 years left after this year. After July 1, he will be owed 16 mill over those 4 years. His production is currently at a poor 3rd liner, very good 4th liner which is why his contract is bad.

It is not the worst in the nhl. Despite what the fancy stats guys say, there is value in having the toughest guy in the league on your team. He is very good in the room, an elite enforcer, and is not poor defensively. His training is a model for his teamates.

If the oilers eat 2 mill of his salary over those last 4 years, he brings an acceptable value for his 2 million dollar actual salary. His cap hit would be 4 mill but about 1/2 of the teams are never close enough to the cap to make that an issue. Every team has a 2 million dollar player they would like to dump so it could be a trade instead of the oilers eating the 2 mill.