Jabroni
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I think it was his second Dave in the shootout. He made the stop but you could tell he was not happy with himself, maybe it was his positioning, but he wasn't happy with the way he made the save.
Alright, it's starting to get a bit nutty with the bi-polar opinions on Hank.
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I think it was his second Dave in the shootout. He made the stop but you could tell he was not happy with himself, maybe it was his positioning, but he wasn't happy with the way he made the save.
Crease
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The fact that he's not stealing games for us precisely means he's not playing the way he's capable of. What's the issue with criticizing that? Spoiled would mean harping on Talbot or Biron for not playing like vintage Lundqvist.
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silverfish
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Here's the thing:
With man-to-man defense, there are going to be defensive lapses. Especially with the way our team is built right now. (Young D. No Staal. Completely new system compared to what they've been playing for their careers in New York).
Last night's game is a perfect example. I'd say Calgary had anywhere from 6-7 grade A scoring chances in the game. They scored three times. I'm okay with three goals, considering. What I'm not okay with, is 6-7 grade A scoring chances. That's bull****
Here's a shot chart from last night:
21 shots on goal for the Flames last night, 9 of which came from the goal mouth, or in between the circles.
I think in turn, this is playing a huge role in shaking Hank's confidence. Here is what I posted in the PGT:
He's not relieved of all fault. He's given up soft-goals. I'm not afraid to admit when he's giving up soft goals. But as Jonathan. so greatly pointed out in this thread, there is no viable reason to be so far to one end of the spectrum on Hank. Team game.
I'd love to go back to zone D.
With man-to-man defense, there are going to be defensive lapses. Especially with the way our team is built right now. (Young D. No Staal. Completely new system compared to what they've been playing for their careers in New York).
Last night's game is a perfect example. I'd say Calgary had anywhere from 6-7 grade A scoring chances in the game. They scored three times. I'm okay with three goals, considering. What I'm not okay with, is 6-7 grade A scoring chances. That's bull****
Here's a shot chart from last night:
21 shots on goal for the Flames last night, 9 of which came from the goal mouth, or in between the circles.
I think in turn, this is playing a huge role in shaking Hank's confidence. Here is what I posted in the PGT:
He's not relieved of all fault. He's given up soft-goals. I'm not afraid to admit when he's giving up soft goals. But as Jonathan. so greatly pointed out in this thread, there is no viable reason to be so far to one end of the spectrum on Hank. Team game.
I'd love to go back to zone D.
Inferno
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you could have patrick roy in net with dominic hasek right behind him, and the 2 of them combined will have trouble stopping unscreened shot after shot in the slot with all day to pick corners. it happens 50 times a night.
rangers are playing horrific defense in front of Henrik.
but, with that said, he hasnt been his usual god-like self in net...hes just been a good goalie, not an elite goalie.
rangers are playing horrific defense in front of Henrik.
but, with that said, he hasnt been his usual god-like self in net...hes just been a good goalie, not an elite goalie.
GordonGecko
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what's the excuse for the shootout with no one in front of him?
He's just not his usual self right now, but I have faith he'll be back to his old self eventually
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GordonGecko
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It's funny because most people incorrectly use the term skitzo when they mean bi-polar. Topic is actually pretty much exactly on the mark
silverfish
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I dont think theres much disparity to be honest. I think most people recognize that Lundqvist is struggling and needs to be better -- but I think most sane people would give him the benefit of the doubt after 8 stellar years that his play will improve.
I cant say the same for the rest of the team, which is why my focus is primarily on them.
I cant say the same for the rest of the team, which is why my focus is primarily on them.
He's playing deeper in net this year. Most likely because he knows the opposing team will get more shots and deflected shots through. He needs to cut that **** out.
Inferno
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Still, he should stop more than 3 out of 7. And he does, most times.
The most prudent defense (IMO) would be sample size.
People complained incessantly about the "6 goalie system" after a while. Truth be told, having point men free to make a play 60 feet away from the goal with 8 guys to shoot through was about as low risk as it gets.
Some more respect needs to be shown about the difficult transition between that and the higher quality scoring chances that this man to man defense gives up. Missed assignments, guys flying in on the rush, prime chances in the slot while our guys stick-check away. I could tolerate this if it eventually led to more offense. It hasn't.
But why do I bother asking for this sort of cognitive thinking? This is a board where a ton of posters thought AV would come in, unlock the stifled offense, and everything else would remain the same.
Some more respect needs to be shown about the difficult transition between that and the higher quality scoring chances that this man to man defense gives up. Missed assignments, guys flying in on the rush, prime chances in the slot while our guys stick-check away. I could tolerate this if it eventually led to more offense. It hasn't.
But why do I bother asking for this sort of cognitive thinking? This is a board where a ton of posters thought AV would come in, unlock the stifled offense, and everything else would remain the same.
GordonGecko
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It's mind boggling that you didn't see anything different with his performance during the shootout last night versus SOs last year
silverfish
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Bingo. One shootout. Also agree, Hank looked shaky. I've already stated that in this thread, and in the PGT last night.
I know you quoted Inferno, but as I am part of this conversation as well, I'll point you to my post where I agree with your statement here. I'm just too lazy to quote it again.
I'll also point back to sample size, as -31- was correct to mention. I can tell you that the average age of our demographic is 50 years old, and then you choose to market our product to 50 year olds. Unfortunately, the only two people I surveyed were a 100 year old, and a newborn baby. Guess who's making 0 sales?
Terrible example, but it gets the point across. Need more information.
Bluenote13
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There are zero excuses for Hank right now. He is supposed to be one of, if not the best goalie in the world and should be expected to make difficult saves and win games for his team. He's supposed to make the saves that 99.9 percent of the goalies in the world can't. He's been average at best and it's a huge reason why this team is in the position it's in.
Likewise, all of the above applies to Nash as well.
Likewise, all of the above applies to Nash as well.
GordonGecko
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yep - I'm thinking the Olympic experience in this year's case may be a very good thing for all the Rangers involved
Kakko
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Every game I'm hearing "that wasn't on him. You can't expect a goalie to stop that"
Yes, he's not letting in a bunch of Fleury-esque goals, but he's also not making as many outstanding saves as he should. Top goalies (Rask, Miller, Lundqvist not this year) don't just make routine saves, they make saves that nobody else does. That's what Lundqvist has anyways done, and he's not doing it this year.
"You can't expect him to play good of the team in front of him is playing bad"
Yes, I can. This guy dragged a team who's leading scorer was Dubinsky into the playoffs. He's capable of much more than he's showing right now
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In before looking at Talbot's numbers and that they are better thank Hank's.
Hank has not had this kind of defense, in terms of being bad, in a long time. It is an adjustment to him. The fact he has a .909 SV% based on shot quality has been good. Last night, I cannot blame for the 3 goals scored. He did make some big saves as well. When he stops those, he is on his game. Right now, he is struggling. The team is poor in front of him. The Streak Of 2 Goals Or Less In November was Strong play and Strong Goaltending. I find we should look at the guys who are not doing their job in front of Hank. How about the win over Dallas? Vintage Hank. Too many times has the team hung him out to dry.
Hank has not had this kind of defense, in terms of being bad, in a long time. It is an adjustment to him. The fact he has a .909 SV% based on shot quality has been good. Last night, I cannot blame for the 3 goals scored. He did make some big saves as well. When he stops those, he is on his game. Right now, he is struggling. The team is poor in front of him. The Streak Of 2 Goals Or Less In November was Strong play and Strong Goaltending. I find we should look at the guys who are not doing their job in front of Hank. How about the win over Dallas? Vintage Hank. Too many times has the team hung him out to dry.
Talbot shouldnt be in the same sentence as Hank to be honest. I'm so sick of hearing about Talbot and how his numbers are better. Teams tighten up when backups play so i think that is a big reason for Talbots success, and he has made some great saves too. The team seems alot more loose in front of Hank and alot more willing to leave him out to dry. Defense hasnt been good which leads to more chances which leads to more goals. Hank hasnt been his usual self but neither has the D. Maybe its time for AV to play to his teams strength. Tough defense and dirty work in the corners.
