TV: Alone (survival show)

[Chairman Maouth]

New takes. No real spoilers I don't think.

Amos didn't need to hit that fox with a dummy arrow. All he needed to do was stand up and yell at it and it would have taken off. The producers of Alone played it like that fox was a mortal threat, which it was not.

Pretty much the same thing with the wolves. Even if you're in wolf country you have a better chance of winning the lottery than being attacked and killed by wolves. I think there are only two or three documented wolf attacks on people in the modern era.

Squirrels in the Canadian Artic have taken out a contract on their nemesis, Roland, the Squirrel Robber. From slaying muskox with his bare hands, to robbing squirrels. How the mighty have fallen.

Kielyn removing her snares - very cool. Then, she proved she is even awesomer.

Amos is a bit of a train wreck.

Roland is still the front-runner in my opinion. But damn, the women are tough.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

The final three were all worthy of winning, no spoilers from me. (the person I wanted to win went out 2nd)

 

[Chairman Maouth]

The final three were all worthy of winning, no spoilers from me. (the person I wanted to win went out 2nd)

Hey spin. Good to see you. I'll be watching it tomorrow. I'm rooting for Kieyln.

 

[jerrybb]

I didn't even realize a new season had started until last night. I like how they changed it up this season to see if anybody can last 100 days to get a million dollars.

One thing I have to say is how does somebody lose their firestarter seemingly every season? I'd have that damn thing on a cord around my neck at all times.

Anyone who needs a firestarter should not be on this show. Take some of your snare wire as copper wire. Take the duct tape, wrap it around the copper wire. Attach one end of a chunk of copper wire to each end of one of your batteries. hold a bit of lint from your shemagh to the hot end of the wire, igniting the lint. Drop the lint into a little pile of tape strips, and have your feathersticks and alternative Swedish torch ready to ignite. Bury the coals in ashes and protect them from snow and rain with debris and maybe a bit of the 20x20 tarp. The tape has many other uses. The ashes will keep the fire "alive' for 10 hours. or more. Theres 2 other easy ways to start fires. You dont want the axe, saw, sleeping bag, belt knife, gillnet or paracord, either. Replace them with the saw-edged shovel, the modified Crunch multitool, the 12x12 tarp, the bow, ,the two person rope hammock, the 3 lb block of salt, the duct tape., one of chief aj's slingbows, the snarewire, the 3 lb block of salt and the fishing kits, as 25 of the largest single hooks allowed.

 

[jerrybb]

I hunt as well and that was pretty extreme. Very, VERY dangerous with such a huge animal.

Spoiler

He made a bad shot on an animal, what he did afterwards was both incredibly stupid and incredibly brave to put that muskox down as quick as he could without another arrow on him. Good thing for him he shot a muskox which usually defends itself by standing and facing whatever is going after it rather than flat out running. Had he put a shot like that on a moose it's likely running away and he never would have found it, at least not close by. I definitely wouldn't be trying to stab at a moose, then again I wouldn't try that with a muskox either haha.

no, it wasn't. He's a gutless bumbling fool. Only took one arrow, could have had some cordage, made a bola, ensnared the animals legs, lashed his knife to a pole, and speared it. they are not allowed to leave a 2.4 mile diameter circle. So he'd need at most 40 minutes to jog back to camp, get more arrows and put the ox out of its misery. He let that thing suffer for FIVE hours, till it went down by its hind legs and his cowardly ass finally dared to go stab it.

 

[jerrybb]

The majority of people eat meat, is it wrong to kill it, butcher it and cook it yourself? Is it wrong to be a butcher? A farmer? A meat packer? A cook? If somebody goes into a restaurant, orders a big steak, doesn't finish all of it and the rest gets thrown out, how is that better than killing a squirrel and eating all of the edible parts? Or we could trap/poison mice without a second thought and toss them in the trash, but them killing them with a deadfall and eating them is hard to watch? Or is it only hard to watch the killing of animals that are a certain size, and what is the size cut off? It's still a life. Bigger animals provide more meals, so you'd have to kill less. I understand the argument that vegans/vegetarians have over hunting, but people who eat meat I find have a very hollow argument when they're against hunting.

Sure, putting yourself into this show means you'll have to kill to survive. But choosing to eat meat and walking into a supermarket, your choosing for animals to die but as long as someone else is doing the killing out of sight, I guess that's fine?

We have weird thoughts about our food. I hunt and butcher my own animals. I know the quality of the food I get from it, I know it hasn't been fed unnatural foods that make it sick, then pumped full of antibiotics because it is a sick animal. I know how the meat has been handled, the temperature its been at, the cleanliness of everything used in the butchering of it. I have complete control over it. Sure, to kill an animal is a hard thing to do and see. But if I choose to have animals die so I can live, I think I should know what really is involved in that.

Hunting isn't just about killing an animal, at least not for myself. In fact the actual kill happens very quickly and is over before you know it. I spend the majority of my time out there just watching animals and enjoying the sights and sounds of nature. Hell, I've "hunted" while leaving the gun at home and just talking a camera many times.

he's a fool for having only one arrow, for wasting 2 weeks of time and calories on such an inefficient shelter, and was too weak and unskilled to get closer and shoot at the rib cage. Then he was too dumb/weak to trot for 20 minutes back to his camp for more arrows. he left that animal to suffer for FIVE HOURS, like the complete A-hole that he IS.

 

[jerrybb]

Season 7 of this show started last week. 10 contestants who are trained in survival vying for $1 million prize



I’ve watched most of the previous seasons and I felt season 6 was the best. This show and Billions are in my top 5 shows right now

If you like the survival aspect of survivor this is the real deal. They don’t get hamburgers and chocolate for winning challenges. They either find food or they starve

anyone watch this ?

They are each STUCK in a lousy 5 sq mile area. That's a circle just 2.4 miles across. This changes a lot of things that people think about the show. For instance, the jerk who let an animal suffer 5 hours cause he only took one arrow with him could have easily jogged back to camp in 20 minutes, jogged back and put that animal out of its misery.

 

[jerrybb]

Saw the first 3 seasons, and then completely forgot this show existed...

If you're going to be a contestant on this show, fatten up in the weeks and months leading up to it!

I've often wondered how a 500+ lb person would do if they set up camp near a water source, and basically conserved their energy by not moving the entire time except to drink water...

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wth would watch THAT, hmm? Google the world record fast. THIRTEEN months, a 450 lb guy went to 180 lbs. He only laid around at room temps. Very different in cold country, having to boil water, etc. But he could easily win.

 

[jerrybb]

Roland's a fool for making huge boulders part of his shelter. All they do is steal the heat from his body and fire. He wasted 2 weeks on that, when he should have been making netting for fowl and fish, setting baited junglewhips for big game. A tarp supershelter is plenty good enough, until you get the 2 inches of snow that are all you need to make an igloo (in one day). The igloo is so efficient that it's 50F degrees warmer than the outside temp, just from your body heat. the most you need in it is some debris, a raised wooden bed, your clothing and some head sized hot rocks. It's stupid to have a fire inside of your shelter, especially if it's a debris hut. You choke on the smoke and you have to cut logs to length and split them. That's not true for an outside fire, heating big rocks to use inside of your shelter.

 

[jerrybb]

I've yet to see anyone who knew to make some pottery, early on. you need a 2- gallon pot, not a 2 qt one. Then you can filter and boil a lot of water at once, pour it into snow molds, and stack up the ice bricks inside of the firewood igloo, ready to simply melt and drink, or to make a stew without having to boil it. With hot rocks inside of the supershelter and a Siberia fire lay aimed at the clear, vertical side of the lean-to, you can get it to 90F degrees if it's 20F outside. So you CAN work the clay, if you can dig some out of a hillside and move it to your shelter. i"ve never seen anyone who knew to use the sleeves of the outer shell or rainsuit jacket as water containers.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

*Survives 100 days in the wilderness, wins a million dollars.*

Some random guy sitting on his computer at home who created an account on a hockey website just to criticize a survival show: "Guy is such a fool."

 

[tacogeoff]

this season was my first intro into Alone. have to say it was amazing. Roland, Callie and Kielyn were amazing. Amos did quite well.

I started watching an alone were three contestants work together with no tools upon landing but it just didn't feel as intense or on the same level.

 

[tacogeoff]

New takes. No real spoilers I don't think.

Amos didn't need to hit that fox with a dummy arrow. All he needed to do was stand up and yell at it and it would have taken off. The producers of Alone played it like that fox was a mortal threat, which it was not.

Pretty much the same thing with the wolves. Even if you're in wolf country you have a better chance of winning the lottery than being attacked and killed by wolves. I think there are only two or three documented wolf attacks on people in the modern era.

Squirrels in the Canadian Artic have taken out a contract on their nemesis, Roland, the Squirrel Robber. From slaying muskox with his bare hands, to robbing squirrels. How the mighty have fallen.

Kielyn removing her snares - very cool. Then, she proved she is even awesomer.

Amos is a bit of a train wreck.

Roland is still the front-runner in my opinion. But damn, the women are tough.

absolutely not a mortal threat but the dumby blunt arrow would be more effective at detouring the return of the fox then yelling. The only way it could be a mortal threat if you are bad at food storage and the fox is able to raid your cache.

More relevant than I thought. I thought the same just as you. Did a search out of interest and there has only been 2 fatal attacks since 2000 but there has been 30 ( 3 captive) attacks since 2000. BUT I couldn't see them attacking Amos unless they were close to starvation.

LOL too good!

 

[jerrybb]

this season was my first intro into Alone. have to say it was amazing. Roland, Callie and Kielyn were amazing. Amos did quite well.

I started watching an alone were three contestants work together with no tools upon landing but it just didn't feel as intense or on the same level.

could you tell me what you found amazing about the top three?

 

[tacogeoff]

could you tell me what you found amazing about the top three?

the physical and mental ability to almost make 100 days in an arctic environment? Kielyn obviously had more of struggle with the mental side of the challenge but she did great in my books.

 

[jerrybb]

There's tough and then there's smart. The toughness has to be there also, but if you have call upon it very much, it's cause you're not very smart. Well over 3/4 of this win has to be accomplished while they are still at home. You'll be much better off if you take the Cold Steel shovel, modified to have 8" of saw edge, the modified Crunch multi-tool, the big roll of duct tape, the fishing kit (as 25 of the biggest single hooks available) the snare wire (a few feet of it as copper electrical wire) the rope hammock, the 12x12 tarp ( 1/4 of it clear material, the rest of it reflectorized) Take one of Chief Aj's slingbows, the 3 lbs of sea salt. The last of the 10 picks, I see lean towards the gorp used as bait, but I might could be swayed towards the cookpot. One might not find workable clay in one's 5 sq mile of allotted area. and it would be a pita to have to stone boil in a pit. What would you do for your first week?

Do you understand that they are stuck in a 5 sq mile area.? That's just 1.2 miles of radius from their drop off point. For a hunter, in such a barren area, that's much too confining. The odds of getting a large animal are very poor when all you have is a bow and you're basically starving. You'd need to catch at least 300 lbs of fish, 100k calories, in a month, in order to keep up your strength to draw a bow and give you the time needed to sit in a baited tree-blind. Scoring that much fish, that quickly, requires a seine, (which would take about 4 days to make) a baited segment of the shoreline and a pontoon outrigger raft (which can be made in one day)

You're going to need at least 150,000 calories to make it 100 days and you'll still have to either be small and do very little out in the cold, or you'll lose 50+ lbs of body weight. If you wanted to lose no weight at all, as, say a 200 lb man, you''ll have to harvest and eat 300k of calories. That's a very tall order unless you score a big animal. Your best chance of doing so is with half a dozen baited jungle whips, baited for wolves, bears, moose, ox, caribou. So you'll have to have both shredded, heavily salted cambium and fishheads/guts as bait.

I sort of doubt that you can eat more than 1000 calories of fish per day without crapping yourself to death, so you'll have to catch beaver, porcupine, a lot of rabbits and probably a wolverine. In order to avoid losing your catches, you'll have to eliminate the predators and raptors in your area. You do this with your treblehooks (made by cutting the big hooks in half and reforging the ends, then using the wire to assemble the treblehook) Wire all three "eyes' to a 40 lb drag log. You can also make vertical junglewhips for the predators which pin them to the ground.

If you do manage to arrow or impale a big animal, in addition to lots of fish, you'll have it made as long as you preserve and guard your food cache adequately and dont get sick or hurt. Use a rope, made out of strips of the 20x20 tarp or out of the rope hammock, to protect yourself from falls on steep slopes and trekking poles everywhere else.

 

[tacogeoff]

there's tough and then there's smart. The tough has to be there also, but if you have call upon it very much, it's cause you're not very smart. Well over 3/4 of this win has to be accomplished while they are still at home. You'll be much better off if you take the Cold Steel shovel, modified to have 8" of saw edge, the modified Crunch multi-tool, the big roll of duct tape, the fishing kit (as 25 of the biggest single hooks available) the snare wire (a few feet of it as copper electrical wire) the rope hammock, the 12x12 tarp ( 1/4 of it clear material, the rest of it reflectorized) Take one of Chief Aj's slingbows, the 3 lbs of sea salt. The last of the 10 picks, I see lean towards the gorp used as bait, but I might could be swayed towards the cookpot. One might not find workable clay in one's 5 sq mile of allotted area. and it would be a pita to have to stone boil in a pit. What would you do for your first week?

I would bring my 30-30 (2 rounds), insulated outfitter tent with stove, gill net, snare wire, leatherman, bow, arrows.

Jokes aside I cant find a gear list online for what they could choose from.

 

[jerrybb]

it's not at all cold for their first month and that's when you have to acquire most of your food. If they'd known anything, they'd have put in the half a day needed to make a small igloo out on the ice. drag some logs out there, neededn'be thick or long, with some dirt on them, so you can have a fire. Take hot rocks with you. Put debris on the rocks and then put them under your butt and your feet. Make tipup devices to set the hooks for you and have a dozen fishing holes. Have a slit for your gillnet, too.with perforated tarp bait bags on the net. If you'll use debris and snow to cover the slit and the fishing holes, you wont have more than 1-2" of ice to break thru once every 12 hours. If you've fitted a 5 ft long handle to the shovel, you'll be able to chip vertically down thru the ice. Use a long pole for safety at first, and get set up out there as soon as there's 2-3" of ice on the lake. Then, you see, you're very nearly as warm when out on the ice as you'd be in your main igloo at your camp. I would not bother with the second layer of 4" thick snow for the igloo that's out on the ice, , nor the crawlway entrance, nor the window of clear tarp material. I'd take a simple chair upon which to sit. leave almost all of this stuff out there in the igloo, so you dont have to haul it back and forth, of course.

 

[jerrybb]

I would bring my 30-30 (2 rounds), insulated outfitter tent with stove, gill net, snare wire, leatherman, bow, arrows.

Jokes aside I cant find a gear list online for what they could choose from.

here you go. There's a list of the stuff that they gave them for season 6, so I assume it was the same for season 7, to include the two tarps, life preserver, airhorn, bear spray, medical kit. I agree about a rifle, but I'd bring a scope, sound-suppressed AR-15 in 223, 10.5" barrel, 1 in 9" rifling twist, with 20 rds of 60 gr Nosler Partition softpoints and 200 rds of Aquila 60 gr subsonic ammo, and the CMMG .22lr conversion unit. I can take caribou or wolverine to 150m with a chest hit, brain bigger animals to 100m and more importantly, take fish , small game, etc, with the BB gun quiet .22 unit, thru the 223 suppressor. Just hold shut the 22's bolt with your off hand. Then you dont scare every other animal within half a mile. 2 rds of ammo is like one arrow, a bad idea. If the wounded critter gets outside of you 2.4 mile diamter circle of allotted land, you dont get to claim it. It's very easy for an animal to take a step just as you fire, and then you've gut-shot it. If it's near your boundary line, that's bad news. Id want the rapidfire to hit several wolves in a pack or several wolverines and the night sight, too. With the .22 unit, you can sometimes score more than one squirrel, rabbit or grouse if you have a fast followup shot and make very little noise. When you let the .22 unit's bolt cycle normally, the result is a pretty quiet little 'pop".
gear list for season 7 of alone tv show - Google Search

 

[jerrybb]

millions of men have handled being locked in solitary confinement for many months at a time. It's preferable to being in a jail day room with all of the monkeys, actually. The reason that the contestants suffer so much is they dont know what to take or do. You can be a lot warmer, with a lot less work, in a supershelter-tarp set up, built in an hour, than they are in those horrible debris huts. The igloo, built in a day, is superb at keeping you warm without a fire. When you dont have to be out there processing and hauling wood, or fishing on the ice, you might as well be at home on your couch. The only tough part would be having to go outside and empty the waste-pot and get water for drinking with the other pottery-utensil. They suffer a lot cause they dont know how to score 150k calories in the first 40 days. and dont have proper shelters., dont make pottery. I aint going out in -20F to eliminate wastes, man. The furthest you should have to go for ice to melt is your spare igloo, with the firewood and pre-boiled ice-bricks in it. Once a day, you start a fire, melt some ice, cook a big meal of fish and meat, and then sleep all you can.

 

[jerrybb]

you dont want a fire inside of your shelter, choking you with smoke and risking burning your shelter or giving you emphysema. The fireplace wastes at least half of your heat to the outside. An igloo increases the temps by 50F degrees just with your bodyheat, if it's well-designed and constructed. The most you'll need in an igloo is some hot rocks, under your raised wooden bed. If you leave a sink-hole for the cold air, by the snow-covered, woven stick "door" (sealed with loose snow) the body heat rises up where you are, on the raised bed. You fold over the two tarps, stuff them with debris wrap them around you. You wear all of your clothing, with dry debris stuffed between each layer and with the tarp-poncho, leggings and breech clout around you, also stuffed with dry debris. This is how you dont need to waste a gear pick on the sleeping bag.

the 8-12" thick snow walls are so reflective, insulated and totally seal out the outside air so well, that your bodyheat has no place to dissipate (if you keep the igloo small enough). When you're all wrapped up in the debris, you dont need any outside heat. You only need the hot rocks when you need to be working inside of the igloo, as in when making tip-up devices for ice fishing.

 

[swef]

I didn't even realize a new season had started until last night. I like how they changed it up this season to see if anybody can last 100 days to get a million dollars.

One thing I have to say is how does somebody lose their firestarter seemingly every season? I'd have that damn thing on a cord around my neck at all times.

There's no reason to waste a pick on a ferrorod in the first place, actually. There's 5 easy ways to start a fire. You can use the flare, fired down into a shallow, mall pit full of debris, trapping the flare with your jacket if it tries to bounce out. you can use the battery from the head lamp, the duct tape, some of the copper "snarwire". and some lint scraped from your shemagh. Once you have a fire, bed the coals in the ashes and they'll be kept alive for at least 12 hours. Once you have ashed tinder and charred materials, it's easy to get solar fire with your eyeglasses, or to use any hard, sharp rock and any carbon steel tool to get fire.