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For cup winning big $ goalies, were they the reason you won or did they just not get in the way of you winning? It’s obviously possible to win with an average B-tier goalie, I don’t know that we’ve seen an A+ tier goalie carry a team that didn’t deserve it outside Price during the Covid season.
 
Helle aside, the best goalies can be very up and down.

But those ups can win you the cup, so yeah why wouldn't you want them even if it costs a lot? I would love to have Sorokin or Shesterkin on my team heading into the playoffs. I don't care if they had a .900 in the regular season, because I know I have a shot at winning the cup any year I have them in net.
 
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majormajor said:
Helle aside, the best goalies can be very up and down.

But those ups can win you the cup, so yeah why wouldn't you want them even if it costs a lot? I would love to have Sorokin or Shesterkin on my team heading into the playoffs. I don't care if they had a .900 in the regular season, because I know I have a shot at winning the cup any year I have them in net.
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Yea, I think a lot of people underrate goaltenders because of the variance in the position, but they focus too much on the one hit wonders and the big name guys having mediocre seasons, and ignore that the one hit wonders aren’t predictable and when you rely on lesser talents, there’s a lot more chance of them tanking the season. Like sure, you might call up a Binnington and he wins you the cup, but it’s still a hell of a lot more likely that a big money guy does it. And even if the random goalie is a success, you eventually have to pay him too. Investing in goalies isn’t about guaranteeing great goaltending anymore, it’s about risk management. You’re paying to have more potential for a big year and less potential for a sunk season.
 
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jigglysquishy said:
Vasilevskiy is second in the league in GSAA to Hellebucyk

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This. Also:
1st in GP
2nd in wins
3rd in SV%
5th in GAA
6th in SO
He is a good reason why Tampa is 3rd in the league with a goal differential of +50 and 6th in GA despite lackluster depth.

Beyond that he has obviously won 2 Cups, a Conn Smythe and a Vezina and is considered one of the best if not the best goaltender of his generation.

Tampa is getting their money worth with him. And all that after he missed a good chunk of the last off-season and regular season due to his back surgery and subsequent recovery and adjustment phase.
 
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Goalies these days are generally inconsistent, and others seem to break down.

On the breaking down standpoint, I'll add another name who was slated for a massive payday except injuries have put questions all over him now. Thatcher Demko.
 
bov said:
Yeah Shesterkin's 2.93 and .906 looking great, 8 years at 11.5 doesn't even kick in until NEXT season when he will be turning 30. (Shitting the bed is extreme on OPs part but the gist of it is big contract goalies underperforming).

Vasilevskiy is pretty much unanimously considered the best goalie of his era/generation and most people in and around the game still consider him #1. 522 regular season games, 319 playoffs (edit: I am dumb) and here he is in 2025 competing for the Vezina again, following a year where he came off major surgery. Let's see how Igor and his contract look at that point.
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These are team stats. We are aware the Rangers are hot garbage this season.
 
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Lunatik said:
It's almost like defense impacts goaltending....
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Then why pay a goalie so much money?
 
NVious said:
Vassy got paid because he played like a God during Tbay's runs.

Same thing with Shesty in the Rangers playoff runs.

Bob won a cup, so at the end of the day that's all you can ask for really.

Price took the Habs to a cup finals which again is a pretty great result, not perfect but great still.
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Not to mention on Bob, he played a big part in their cup runs.

Wasn't like he was Fourgoalsky and it was the offense that won the games. He stole a handful of series the past two years.
And when he had off games, the team could rally, but he was definitely a top 3 player on those runs.
 
I think a goalie tandem is the way to go. Woll/Stolarz now, Ullmark/Swayman before this year. Just wait till a team with a tandem wins the cup, it will be even more popular. We'll see.

What's so special about Shesterkin, and the NYR are paying him 11.7 m? He is at .906. Someone like Woll is .910. Or even Stolarz is .927 and he makes a fraction of the salary. I get why that is, but still.
 
MoneyManny said:
Team sport, players on the ice affect each other's performances. I know, shocking.
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My point is, you might want to pay a goalie big time $$$ if he is able to cover up for the bad D the rest of the team plays, otherwise, perhaps not worth the big $$$. Clearly players, in all positions, are impacted by their teammates performances, but the guys that should get paid the most are the ones that perform best regardless.
 
JianYang said:
Goalies these days are generally inconsistent, and others seem to break down.

On the breaking down standpoint, I'll add another name who was slated for a massive payday except injuries have put questions all over him now. Thatcher Demko.
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Style these days you do see more goalies out with lower body injuries. Putting a lot more stress on their body.

It does feel like the elite goalies today don't have the same consistency over the long haul as the elites back in the day like Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour. But, we are talking HOF goalies here.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
I think a goalie tandem is the way to go. Woll/Stolarz now, Ullmark/Swayman before this year. Just wait till a team with a tandem wins the cup, it will be even more popular. We'll see.

What's so special about Shesterkin, and the NYR are paying him 11.7 m? He is at .906. Someone like Woll is .910. Or even Stolarz is .927 and he makes a fraction of the salary. I get why that is, but still.
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I mean, tandem goaltending isn't a new idea. Minny was doing it for years with Ferndandez/Roloson -> Fernandez/Bäckstrom 20+ years ago.
 
StreetHawk said:
Style these days you do see more goalies out with lower body injuries. Putting a lot more stress on their body.

It does feel like the elite goalies today don't have the same consistency over the long haul as the elites back in the day like Roy, Hasek, Brodeur, Belfour. But, we are talking HOF goalies here.
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its not just style, it plays a big part sure, but its guys train all year round now and dont get proper rest. Goalies use their knees and lower backs more than anyone else and can't recover. You can use your skill to close the gap, but eventually time will catch up and injuries will pile on.
 
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