Player Discussion All Purpose Goaltending Thread

Goalies are historically up and down.

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Since turning pro after his breakout season in Sudbury, UPL has had an inconsistent pro career.

One interesting part for me is how he had his best pro season last year while playing 54 games in Buffalo and people are talking about him getting overworked having played 53 games so far this season. His workload was only slightly more than last year and his results are much worse.

The challenge is that given how inconsistent UPL has been and how inconsistent goalie play is in general at the NHL level, it wouldn't shock me if UPL was back to a .910+ Save% next year playing 50+ games.
Your take on UPL's usage is missing some pretty important context: Lindy benched UPL for the last month of the season and made Reimer the starter (11 starts vs. 5 in the last 16 games). UPL was 4th in the league in minutes played before that happened. Riding him that hard was a mistake. Especially when you consider how good Reimer looked when given the opportunity.
 
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I know I bang on about this constantly, but we need to stop focusing on symptoms (UPL going to shit) instead of the cause (Lindy and Co's clownshoes system). When almost every single POWER PLAY see the opposing team get an odd man rush or a flat out breakaway it's a giant mind f*** for the poor goalie. If you totally wreck a goalies confidence they will completely go to shit.
No one in this thread ignoring the obvious problems with team defense. We're just pointing out that UPL has also been poor. Which is similarly obvious when you consider that a 37 year old James Reimer came in and outplayed him the second Lindy gave him some runway.
 
Your take on UPL's usage is missing some pretty important context: Lindy benched UPL for the last month of the season and made Reimer the starter (11 starts vs. 5 in the last 16 games). UPL was 4th in the league in minutes played before that happened. That was a mistake. Especially when you consider how good Reimer looked when given the opportunity.
And over those 5 starts, UPL was worse from a Save% perspective than he was for the overall season (.868 vs .887 for the season).

The change at the end of the season and giving Reimer more games doesn't say anything about year to year consistency or what Adams is thinking in goal.

From what Adams said on WGR, I am expecting UPL + Levi to start the season. Again...
 
And over those 5 starts, UPL was worse from a Save% perspective than he was for the overall season (.868 vs .887 for the season).

The change at the end of the season and giving Reimer more games doesn't say anything about year to year consistency or what Adams is thinking in goal.

From what Adams said on WGR, I am expecting UPL + Levi to start the season. Again...
I know that UPL continued playing poorly down the stretch. He's probably in a huge hole mentally right now from getting trotted out night after night to get shelled (which is why he shouldn't have been playing so much). It's not surprising that he didn't look great when he was given a few spot starts after Reimer took the lead.

My point was different though. I was arguing that you can't simply compare the number of games UPL played this year and last year when you're talking about his usage. That's missing a lot of nuance, as he was essentially benched down the stretch this year, making his start numbers look artificially low. It also ignores the fact that he wasn't the starter for the entire season last year. They rolled a three headed goalie monster until around the new year when UPL finally took over.

To put my point differently, this was UPL's first season as a full time starter in the NHL. For the vast majority of the year, he was one of the most heavily used goalies in the league. And just looking at his start numbers misses that story.
 


Two guys that I would love to see the Sabres hire when it comes to improving their goalie scouting and development are Vally and Ryan Miller.

I’ve often wondered how Miller would juggle the east coast/west coast thing if he worked for the Sabres. That travel gets old real fast.
 
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I’ve often wondered how Miller would juggle the east coast/west coast thing if he worked for the Sabres. That travel gets old real fast.
It would be an interesting conversation.

He is already working remotely for San Jose living in the LA/Anaheim area.

And Karmanos has not relocated from Pittsburgh while working for the Sabres. So, maybe they could make it work.

:dunno:
 

II. The Case of Thatcher Demko: Systemic Strain on a Franchise Asset​

Thatcher Demko’s trajectory in Vancouver represents both the promise and peril of accelerated goaltender reliance. By 2021–22, Demko had established himself as one of the league’s most technically refined and mentally composed netminders. His performance elevated the Canucks’ structure, masked defensive lapses, and offered stability during a volatile transition.

However, in 2022–23, Demko’s health deteriorated—his injury profile revealing overuse symptoms consistent with goaltenders pushed into high-frequency post integrations, lateral load-bearing sequences, and high-RVH deployment. With no equivalent No. 2, Vancouver attempted to plug mechanically similar backups into Demko’s structure—without tailoring the system to their physical and cognitive attributes.

The result? Decreased save percentage, tactical predictability, and a reversion in team confidence—all symptoms of a system that had been built around one goaltender and assumed his successors would mirror him.

III. The Vegas Golden Knights: Adaptive Identity in the Crease​

By contrast, the 2022–23 Vegas Golden Knights navigated the loss of Robin Lehner by avoiding the trap of uniformity. With a carousel of goaltenders including Logan Thompson, Laurent Brossoit, and ultimately Adin Hill, the Knights adopted a tactical model that respected stylistic variation.

Each goaltender was encouraged to perform within their own tactical identity—Hill, for example, operated deeper with simplified reads, while Thompson relied on athleticism and aggressive lateral response. Rather than cloning a single model, Vegas empowered variation within structure.

This flexibility proved to be an asset rather than a liability. Opposing teams faced a moving target, unable to rely on a singular crease pre-scout. When Hill emerged as the postseason standout, it was not due to imposed replication—but due to strategic adaptability.

Conclusion: Championship Teams Don’t Clone Success—They Engineer Adaptability​

In a sport defined by margins, Stanley Cups are not won through rigid systems. They are won by organizations that embrace variance, protect identity, and build frameworks that scale with—not against—the athlete.

If your goaltending structure collapses when your starter is unavailable, it was never a structure. It was a script.

The modern NHL demands goaltenders who win in different ways, under one philosophy. That philosophy must evolve.
 

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