Confirmed with Link: All-Purpose Coyotes Arena Talk: [Update] Land Auction Cancelled, Meruelo waiving ownership rights.

[PainForShane]

I've acknowledged your reality several times and never claimed those excuses weren't valid reasons not to attend games.

Consider this reality: A franchise that is and has blatantly struggled with fan attendance will need to improve said attendance if and only if the fan base is interested and serious about keeping that franchise.

What I said in my post was not an excuse, it is the reality of attendance in professional sports.

Now consider this reality: Yotes sold out every home game the past two years, this has been well documented, I enclosed some links / graphs a page or two ago. If you don't believe me, fine look it up yourself.

Anyway, you said the team needs to improve attendance -- in the long term I agree, probably we all do. You get there by first having an NHL sized arena (preferably a centrally located one so your fans can reasonably commute to games during the week, Tempe or Desert Ridge for example would probably work), also it's pretty clear that having a better team would help as well.

Do you have any further questions about reality?

 

[RemoAZ]

What I said in my post was not an excuse, it is the reality of attendance in professional sports.

Now consider this reality: Yotes sold out every home game the past two years, this has been well documented, I enclosed some links / graphs a page or two ago. If you don't believe me, fine look it up yourself.

Anyway, you said the team needs to improve attendance -- in the long term I agree, probably we all do. You get there by first having an NHL sized arena (preferably a centrally located one so your fans can attend during the week, Tempe or Desert Ridge for example would probably work), also it's pretty clear that having a better team would help as well.

Do you have any further questions about reality?

Sad part is filling a bigger arena still isn't enough for all the grifters we've had as owners. They all needed/wanted a subsidy or project to make money off of. It's never been about the fans.

 

[TheLegend]

Sad part is filling a bigger arena still isn't enough for all the grifters we've had as owners. They all needed/wanted a subsidy or project to make money off of. It's never been about the fans.

Every single pro sports franchise in this state is getting some sort of public subsidy.

Let's just shut them all down because they couldn't give a shit about the fans either.

 

[awfulwaffle]

Meruelo hasn't done squat for job placement, and the severance package sucks. That's the key information here.

He did more than what is required. He could have let go of everyone instantly when the team was sold.

Real question, if you were a coyotes employee, would you sit around or try to find a job when the sale was announced?

 

[The Feckless Puck]

A fine post rooted in actual reality.

This reminds me of the uproar over Doan being let go in the manner he was, which is/was not uncommon.

Just because something is common doesn't justify it. Lots of terrible shit happens all the time.

He did more than what is required.

That's a pretty f***ing low bar, especially in Arizona.

Real question, if you were a coyotes employee, would you sit around or try to find a job when the sale was announced?

Real answer: based on the reports of the work environment under Meruelo, I wouldn't be caught dead working there in the first place.

 

[Jakey53]

Not really raging. You are not saying anything untrue. I was laid off by a company in AZ once upon a time by being told to call an 800 number and listen to a recording on a Friday afternoon. Received $0 severance while the people who bankrupted the company got stay on bonuses to complete the destruction. Illegal? Nope. Did it make people like those people? Nope.

Whether he recognizes it or not AM is failing on the PR front. At the same time, supposedly, he wants to engage in a major project that will require people to want to work with him. Can he treat people like crap legally, yes he can. Can he treat people well and curry favor in a community that does not favor him, yes. Can he afford to give exited staff a real severance package and make people think good thoughts about him also, yes.

Stop with such nonsense. Employees don't have a piano tied to their ass. They can quit anytime and get a job elsewhere. Most employees want to be coddled and expect the moon. They don't have any monetary interest, yet they act like they are "deserved" something they don't deserve.

 

[Jakey53]

Nobody is taking a side here…

Just mitigating the usual overreaction that is HFBoards.

Right now I don’t care if he wins the auction or not. It’s just the next step.

I agree, but I want him to win the auction. That is the next step to get our team back within five years. Not winning the auction means not getting a team back, like almost forever.

 

[lanky]

Someone want to remind me the auction date?

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

So, if Meruelo does win the auction, I assume his next step has to be submitting a request for clarification on zoning? A 'Zoning Interpretation Request' I think it's called?

 

[Baby Doaner]

Someone want to remind me the auction date?

Is this a joke?

 

[lanky]

Is this a joke?

No. I've since looked it up myself.

June 27 is now circled in my calendar.

 

[lanky]

Lol. Looks at thread title.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Do you have any further questions about reality?

I never asked, but I do enjoy your denials.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Just because something is common doesn't justify it. Lots of terrible shit happens all the time.

The manner in which a grown man is told he can no longer play a child's games is "terrible shit"?

 

[GhostofTommyBolin]

For the record, I don't think that one other poster, that accepts reality can be considered a choir.

We're more of a duet, @Coyotedroppings. But apparently, we come off like a choir. Sing, my friend. SING.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

 

[The Feckless Puck]

The manner in which a grown man is told he can no longer play a child's games is "terrible shit"?

Yeah, treating him like shit was and is terrible. It takes a lot more intelligence and strength to treat people well even when you don't have to than it does to treat other people like shit. So the fact that Meruelo doesn't bother being a semi-decent guy unless he's forced to says a whole lot to me about the caliber of his character.

 

[Sinurgy]

I believe you've mentioned this twice now and I don't agree. If your statement was correct, wouldn't I be saying that only actual, or true hockey fans attend the games?

It's funny how defensive folks get, not to mention their willingness to shun reality..... not HA HA funny, but odd, a study in psychology, if you will.

Cocksure is also funny in a psychology sort of way.

 

[PainForShane]

I never asked, but I do enjoy your denials.

Almost as much as I (and most likely the rest of us) enjoy yours

 

[Coyotedroppings]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live?ref=watch_permalink&v=434303989406597

Doing things right. One of the more interesting things was Rio Nuevo Chairman Fletcher Mc Cusker praising Jr. for his work. As always plenty of fluff here, but a good listen in general, starts around 21.5 min mark.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Yeah, treating him like shit was and is terrible. It takes a lot more intelligence and strength to treat people well even when you don't have to than it does to treat other people like shit. So the fact that Meruelo doesn't bother being a semi-decent guy unless he's forced to says a whole lot to me about the caliber of his character.

Yeah, but the norm is not being treated like shit, it's just not going above and beyond for a fan favorite.

Cocksure is also funny in a psychology sort of way.

Now you're getting warmer.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Almost as much as I (and most likely the rest of us) enjoy yours

Y'all must, because the wacky defensive nature of numerous retorts indicates so.

 

[Sinurgy]

Almost as much as I (and most likely the rest of us) enjoy yours

His theory is silly but I don't mind him expressing it.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

You are a true Scotsman.

Ohhh man, speaking of, I'm here in Germany (city of Bonn) ostensibly to see some Euro 24 games, and there are Scots *everywhere*. And the chant "no Scotland no party" (to the tune of...million man army?) is ringing true.

I now return you to the coyote death watch.

 

[PainForShane]

His theory is silly but I don't mind him expressing it.

100% agree. Free speech in most cases is generally good -- certainly in this case, where even if there are insults being thrown, they're more amusing than actually insulting. Anyway I wanted him to know that I personally am laughing at him at least as hard as he's laughing at everyone else's decision to largely not blame the fans for AM's (and the NHL's) previous missteps in this market / team etc. That's what I meant by my post.

But yeah, this is a public message board, you're going to see discussions like this one, not at all a bad thing when taken as a whole. 100% agree with you on that