Coach Discussion: All Purpose Coaching Thread Part III

[Hunter368]

IMO the difference is while Babs and Maurice are probably approx equal as strategists/game planners/roster planners, Babs is an arrogant prick that will eventually run out his welcome, while Maurice may just be the best communicator among the coaching ranks and appears to have worked successfully to shore up any internal rifts. Add in that Dubas wanted Babs out and was looking for the first opportunity, while Chevy seems to fully have Maurice's back.

Fair

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I knew with today's firing of Babs there would be the out pouring of we missed out on not firing Maurice. Coaches in Maurice's position don't get fired.

Of course they don't. That will never stop me from expressing a desire to see it happen when opportunities present themselves.

 

[KingBogo]

Of course they don't. That will never stop me from expressing a desire to see it happen when opportunities present themselves.

Fair enough. Do you think it will work if I go by the trade board and express my desire for the Oilers to trade us MacDavid

 

[Puckatron 3000]

Fair enough. Do you think it will work if I go by the trade board and express my desire for the Oilers to trade us MacDavid

I don't think we'd want McDavid. His win/loss record isn't very good. In fact, he's one of the losingest superstar players around. Also, on veteran appreciation night, he displayed an obvious bias towards the vets.

 

[raideralex99]

IMO the difference is while Babs and Maurice are probably approx equal as strategists/game planners/roster planners, Babs is an arrogant prick that will eventually run out his welcome, while Maurice may just be the best communicator among the coaching ranks and appears to have worked successfully to shore up any internal rifts. Add in that Dubas wanted Babs out and was looking for the first opportunity, while Chevy seems to fully have Maurice's back.

Maurice only lasted 2 years in Toronto while Babcock was working on his 5th year so who wore out their welcome mat quicker.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Missing out on both Krueger and Keefe in less than a six month period is going to haunt us for many years.

Buffalo is struggling. 2-6-2. If he was here with that record he'd be getting canned by the fans and the newest shiny toy would be found.

This is the way of pro sports.

 

[Jets 31]

I would say talent wise the Jets and Leafs have been pretty even for a few seasons , Maurice and the Jets made it to the Conference Final . Under Babcock the Leafs didn't win 1 single playoff series but ya Babcock is a waaaaaaay better coach than Maurice .

 

[ffh]

I don't think we'd want McDavid. His win/loss record isn't very good. In fact, he's one of the losingest superstar players around. Also, on veteran appreciation night, he displayed an obvious bias towards the vets.

don't forget his heavy minutes when compared to the other centres on the team. they should be evened out more.

 

[Duke749]

I don't think we'd want McDavid. His win/loss record isn't very good. In fact, he's one of the losingest superstar players around. Also, on veteran appreciation night, he displayed an obvious bias towards the vets.

Oh this is good Puckatron.

 

[Ducky10]

Maurice only lasted 2 years in Toronto while Babcock was working on his 5th year so who wore out their welcome mat quicker.

Yes, those two situations are nearly identical......

 

[Howard Chuck]

Wow, didn't see this until just now that Babs was fired. Guess it's not completely unexpected, but they sure pumped a lot of money and effort into getting and keeping him.

As far as our situation with Maurice goes, I'm actually really conflicted.

On one hand he seems to have taken a depleted roster and turned them into a team with a winning record.

On the other hand, I still feel like this team with this roster COULD be doing better than it is. Maurice makes some really odd coaching decisions (i.e. sticking with 55/26 until injury forced him to change, not changing the PP/PK for over a year when it didn't work anymore, crazy TOI and wearing out players, not using really obvious choices in some situations, etc)

I think where I am now is that we are not going to excel and we are not going to bottom out. We are going to be middle of the road and win games that we really shouldn't as we did beginning of last season.

As I said this makes me really conflicted, because I'm happy we're winning, but I think we could be so much more, and because we're winning we won't have a coach that will optimize the roster we have

 

[WPGChief]

Wow, didn't see this until just now that Babs was fired. Guess it's not completely unexpected, but they sure pumped a lot of money and effort into getting and keeping him.

As far as our situation with Maurice goes, I'm actually really conflicted.

On one hand he seems to have taken a depleted roster and turned them into a team with a winning record.

On the other hand, I still feel like this team with this roster COULD be doing better than it is. Maurice makes some really odd coaching decisions (i.e. sticking with 55/26 until injury forced him to change, not changing the PP/PK for over a year when it didn't work anymore, crazy TOI and wearing out players, not using really obvious choices in some situations, etc)

I think where I am now is that we are not going to excel and we are not going to bottom out. We are going to be middle of the road and win games that we really shouldn't as we did beginning of last season.

As I said this makes me really conflicted, because I'm happy we're winning, but I think we could be so much more, and because we're winning we won't have a coach that will optimize the roster we have

Maurice truly is Schrödinger's coach

 

[Howard Chuck]

Maurice truly is Schrödinger's coach

Much more concise version of my post

 

[ThinIce61]

He was the best coach the Oilers have had in the past 20 years lol. And no coach was succeeding with that group.

OK whatever. Krueger a relative?

 

[AKAChip]

OK whatever. Krueger a relative?

Nope. Just a great coach.

 

[ThinIce61]

Nope. Just a great coach.

Wrong. Pick another door.

 

[rkp]

I would say talent wise the Jets and Leafs have been pretty even for a few seasons , Maurice and the Jets made it to the Conference Final . Under Babcock the Leafs didn't win 1 single playoff series but ya Babcock is a waaaaaaay better coach than Maurice .

and that had nothing to do with the goaltending at the time!! and when it did fail, what happened?...just like this season, every stat under the guise or responsibility of the coach..PK, PP, all offensive stats, is in the bottom third of the league...how does that make him a good coach?

 

[Gm0ney]

Nope. Just a great coach.

Is he though?

 

[ThinIce61]

Is he though?

I guess if being 16th overall and not in a playoff spot is considered killing it then yeah I guess some people would call that killing it.
Then there are other people who would say he has done nothing in the NHL to indicate he is anything more than your run of the mill standing behind the bench wearing a suit till it goes out of style type of guy.

 

[AKAChip]

I guess if being 16th overall and not in a playoff spot is considered killing it then yeah I guess some people would call that killing it.
Then there are other people who would say he has done nothing in the NHL to indicate he is anything more than your run of the mill standing behind the bench wearing a suit till it goes out of style type of guy.

It’s been 2 months.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I think my idea of a great coach is someone who can recognize when something is and isn't working and makes timely adjustments.

That can be within a game and adjusting to the individual opponent or within a month to adjust to an obviously inefficient system/process/lineup.

These adjustments should be able to be made within a time period that can help the team reach it's optimum performance throughout the season.

As I said, I like where we are now only because we're winning. It's absolutely inexcusable to me that we spent most of last year not changing what every fan, media and hockey people, knew all along. It wasn't rocket science and everyone saw these things, but it took an entire season to change them, instead of a month or less.

That's why I feel like we're in purgatory here where we're winning, but not likely to go far with how we're doing it.

 

[rkp]

Been over at the leaf forum reading the comments about babcock's firing....a lot of the comments about babcock could also used to described pomo's method/style of coaching, scary thought since without the goaltending where would the jets be.

 

[Ducky10]

and that had nothing to do with the goaltending at the time!! and when it did fail, what happened?...just like this season, every stat under the guise or responsibility of the coach..PK, PP, all offensive stats, is in the bottom third of the league...how does that make him a good coach?

How is Babcock a better coach? A lot of people certainly loved to run their mouths about that. Leafs had great goaltending last season, still fell flat on their faces.

I’m indifferent towards Maurice but it really gets old reading anything bad that happens is on Maurice and anything good that happens is because of someone else. It’s just so petty.

 

[DRW204]

this team is winning on the back of Helle

one of the worst teams in the shot quantity and quality allowed stats

pp and pk both near bottom of the league (although PK has been good this month)

team gf/gp near bottom of the league too (never thought id see that)

if Helle reverts back to last year sv% look out

 

[cbcwpg]

As I said, I like where we are now only because we're winning. It's absolutely inexcusable to me that we spent most of last year not changing what every fan, media and hockey people, knew all along. It wasn't rocket science and everyone saw these things, but it took an entire season to change them, instead of a month or less.

And how many losses will it take to have Chef and Wheeler back together? My guess is as soon as the Jets lose 2 games in a row, the bromance will be reborn.