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All-Inclusive Goalie Discussion--Jones and Scrivens and Bears, Oh My!

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A) Holy ****
B) What would you do with Jones when Quick comes back?
How do you justify sending him down?
Do you trade Scrivens?
Do you trade Jones?
Do you trade yourself?
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Julius Caesar Milan said:
A) Holy ****
B) What would you do with Jones when Quick comes back?
How do you justify sending him down?
Do you trade Scrivens?
Do you trade Jones?
Do you trade yourself?
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Jones is young you send him down because Scrivens has been playing just as well. And we probably wouldn't get much for Scrivens because of sample size. But it allows us to be able to let Scrivens go at the end of this year and spend that money elsewhere.
 
With Quick going down with a groin, which can always come back, no matter how much time off, the Kings shouldn't trade any goalie. Not even thinking about the lack of value they would get for one.

Depth is a good thing.
 
Isn't this Lombardi's mo? He probably will continue to keep these goalies in the system. Maybe Scrivens will be traded at deadline to a team that needs urgent help. Hawks would welcome him for example if Crawford's injury is serious.
 
Julius Caesar Milan said:
A) Holy ****
B) What would you do with Jones when Quick comes back?
How do you justify sending him down?
Do you trade Scrivens?
Do you trade Jones?
Do you trade yourself?
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Scrivezina is the lowest payed King.
Sutter is a 1 goalie kinda guy, the back up just needs to stand in front of the net for a few games and not be terrible. That is kinda why we picked up Scrivens , aka "Sure, that guy..."
Then he started to play, and with some help from D Scrivezina emerged. I don't think many expected that.

We are not going to give him the contract others will simply because we are focused on the #1 slot.

Jones being ****ing awesome just means we already have a decent backup for when we lose Scrivens at the end of the season. A bonus. We probably would have found another cheap #2 had he not been ready.

We probably send him back down, But I guess I wouldn't be terribly surprised if things worked out to where we move Scrivens before deadline and bring jones back up.
 
I always felt Jones was the real deal and would one day be a great starter in the league.

I have always loved Scrivens. Guy has won on every level he's played and is a battler and has a good head. That said, I don't think he is on the same level as Jones. Jones I think can be the next Quick, which is high praise. Scrivens is a guy that can be a solid starter for you, but does not strike fear into the other team.

With as many health issues as Quick has had, you do as many have stated. Send Jones down and let Scrivens walk at years end. This is a team built for cup runs, if Quick goes down again you need depth in net more than any return Scrivens would bring this year.

If Scrivens walks for nothing, it was worth it for the insurance.

In terms of Chicago, Crawford looks to be out 3 weeks, but even if he was out the year, they would give Raanta a long look. CHI loves Raanta and this is why they brought him in, they felt he could play this year and back them deep. He has been playing solid to start and they are in no hurry to move assets to bring in a G.

Any other teams that need G basically have young guys in the system, so they won't pay for Scrivens on the small sample size playing in front of a solid team on D. Even if he is a big upgrade, he is not a name that makes a splash for a GM. Then if he struggles the GM get skilled in the media and by fans "Why did he waste cap to bring in an unproven when there are guys like Hiller and Miller out there...He needs to go!" If a team brings in a name and they flop, no one really blames the GM on that one because it was a chance they'd have to take if XYZ was available.
 
Bandit said:
Jones is making it real easy to let Scrivens walk at the end of the year. Sucks that we didn't get more for Bernier, but oh well. Can't win 'em all.
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This... Frattin is turning out to be a bust, and if we let Scrivens walk, I hope we turn that 2nd into another golden pick.

But I'm not against the idea of moving Scrivens at the trade deadline
 
Julius Caesar Milan said:
A) Holy ****
B) What would you do with Jones when Quick comes back?
How do you justify sending him down?
Do you trade Scrivens?
Do you trade Jones?
Do you trade yourself?
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A) Holy ****ing asscrackers!
B) Play Connect Four
C) (I assume?) No.
D) (Again, I assume, not really sure why you stopped at B but kept asking questions) No
E) (Again...dude...wtf?) Never trade yourself out of LA LA land.

takk said:
Isn't this Lombardi's mo? He probably will continue to keep these goalies in the system. Maybe Scrivens will be traded at deadline to a team that needs urgent help. Hawks would welcome him for example if Crawford's injury is serious.
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Trade him to a conference rival that we have a real dangerous chance of playing in the playoffs?

Bandit said:
Jones is making it real easy to let Scrivens walk at the end of the year. Sucks that we didn't get more for Bernier, but oh well. Can't win 'em all.
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Scrivens isn't. I mean yes, Jones has been Roy + Broduer x Hasek for three games, but it's three games. Scrivens has been just as awesome and for longer. Long way to go before we dub Jones as the heir apparent to Quick's jockey strap keeper.
 
Insomnia sucks most of the time. Every once in a while when you've been up for way to long you get a moment of clarity! We need to dump that Goon Squad stuff in favor of a song for our new savior!

 
But Jones plays a completely different style of goaltending than quick. I don't see how people can compare the two.
 
tsanuri said:
Jones is young you send him down because Scrivens has been playing just as well. And we probably wouldn't get much for Scrivens because of sample size. But it allows us to be able to let Scrivens go at the end of this year and spend that money elsewhere.
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I think that is why Jones has been getting games (along with his play). I think Scrivens play has increased his chance of a payday this summer which means the Kings are going to need a replacement. Jones is getting his audition a little prior to 2014 training camp. If Jones continues to play well here and in Manchester, Scrivens will walk at the end of the year and Jones will have his job to lose next fall.

KingsFan7824 said:
With Quick going down with a groin, which can always come back, no matter how much time off, the Kings shouldn't trade any goalie. Not even thinking about the lack of value they would get for one.

Depth is a good thing.
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And there is this too. There is no point to trade Scrivens when the return is going to be crap. if Bernier = Scrivens, Frattin and a 2nd (and some cap space) then what is Scrivens going to get? The Kings are better off keeping him in the event of a reaggravation of an injury with Quick. I think Jones will get the Voynov/Toffoli talk and sent down when Quick is healthy again.
 
Kings should re-sign Scrivens and deal him. There are no goalies in the market. Look at what the Oilers had to do.

If we let him walk all we got for Bernier was a 2nd, some cash and Frattin? Ugh.

Kings are solid at developing goalies....Bernier, Quick, and Jones! Let's not mention Garon and Labarbera....though both were excellent in the AHL.
 
I believe Jones WILL have to clear waivers in order to return to Manchester. Please correct if I'm wrong. He is no longer on his ELC. Remember he was a little bit of a hold out this off-season. Finally singing a few days after training camp started.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2013/09/10/martin-jones-signs-two-year-contract/


Claiming goalies on waivers is a little tricky since you have to keep him on your NHL roster for 30 days. So, essentially a team would have to chose Jones over one of their current goalies. With the way Jones is playing and the reputation of being a goaltending factory that the Kings are starting to get. Putting him on waivers is gonna be risky!

Also to keep in mind is Jones has 1 year left on his contract after this season. While Scrivens will be an UFA. So, we could lose Jones on waivers and lose Scrivens to free agency.... Which would really suck!


If I'm correct in that Jones does have to clear waivers. I wouldn't be shocked in Scrivens is traded in a couple weeks when Quick is back. Which is crazy considering all he's done. But, Jones in my opinion is the safer player to go with.

If Jones keep this play up. It's gonna be interesting to see what Lombardi does!
 
Lets say Quick comes back and Scrivens gets traded. Go with Quick-Jones

Quick re-aggravates his groin. Berube gets called up. Jones-Berube

Jones gets ran into and hurts something. Berube is now your starter and we have to find out what Fukufuji is up to these days to play backup. Berube-Fuji

How about we just keep both for a little while?
 
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