All Encompassing Head Coach Search Thread

[SolidSnakeUS]

Friedman on Tocchet and the Flyers: “It’s coming.”

Says Jay Woodcroft, Brad Shaw, Jay McKee were all interviewed.

I'd rather the Flyers change their colors to the Golden Seals colors than have Tocchet as coach.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Tocchet would be a bummer but I can put up with him as long as they are bad next year with another high pick. Tocchet has to be one of the more overrated coaches out there, he made the playoffs, what, 2 times in 8-9 years as a coach. I don’t think he’ll be an improvement on Torts at all points wise

Also I suppose it’s better Tocchet now than in 3-5 years

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[04hockey]

the Flyers ONLY problem is their DRAFTING

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

They're going to continue to fail and be embarrassed, but that's great because it's exactly what they deserve. 99.9% of the fans deserve it too.

Things will never get better either, since it's completely rotten and incompetent all the way to the tippity-top.

Firing the coach doesn't matter when the GM in charge of replacing them is an idiot.
Firing the GM doesn't matter when the president in charge of replacing them is an idiot.
Firing the president doesn't matter when the owner in charge of replacing them is an idiot.
And who fires and replaces the owner?

I disagree with you there… the fans deserve better, period.

All the fans. Those of us who criticize the FO and yes the authentics too.

The authentics definitely piss me off with their inability to criticize obvious failures, but at the end of the day, many of them have made Flyers hockey such an integral part of their lives (for some it’s sadly their entire life) that admitting the team they’ve invested so much in is a failure on all levels would make them significantly less happy (depressed). You can’t blame the fans for being too loyal or too passionate.

And sadly, in today’s era of media rights and with the value boost of this new stadium coming in 2031, you could have that arena at 75% capacity nightly (we’ve never gone under 90% and no team outside of Carolina, Florida, Buffalo, San Jose, Arizona has been under 75%) and it would be a drop in the bucket to management.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Jesus.

 

[MJL66]

Established NHL head coaches rarely change their system when they go to new teams. They have their philosophies on how they coach and that's what they will install. Kevin Kurz is showing that he is uninformed.

 

[MJL66]

the Flyers ONLY problem is their DRAFTING

Not true. The Flyers are a player development "black hole" They are awful at player development.

 

[MJL66]

Jesus.

Myrtetus in that video, after talking about systems, shows that he is not in tune with the reality of the Flyers. He says that the current regime has nothing to do with the past. He doesn't realize that you can change the people in charge, if you don't change the organizational ideology and philosophies. It doesn't matter who you put in charge. I guess we're supposed to have "faith" that a completely inexperienced GM and a POHO that is also not experienced and also in my opinion, unqualified for the position. Are going to accomplish success using the same ineffective methods that the team has always used. That is a grand canyon wide leap of faith.

 

[GKJ]

Jesus.

Funny part is that Quinn Hughes loved playing for him by all accounts

 

[ponder719]

Established NHL head coaches rarely change their system when they go to new teams. They have their philosophies on how they coach and that's what they will install. Kevin Kurz is showing that he is uninformed.

He's generalizing from his own experience. Kurz changes his own system every time a new coach comes in, since building them up and tearing down the previous guy keeps the off the record stories coming in.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Here’s the thing… @Kurz thought Torts was a good coach.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Here’s the thing… @Kurz thought Torts was a good coach.

 

[Cody Webster]

@KKurzNHL what exactly has Tocchet done that makes him a "good" coach?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I would love to know what ownership has told Hextall, Fletcher, and Briere. More so the latter two when the team was obviously bad. If the message was “we want the chance at playoff revenue so make moves accordingly. We don’t rebuild” it’s likely that GM’s do what they have to to keep their job. That doesn’t mean Fletcher and possibly Briere are good GM’s but they were put into an impossible situation. Tocchet I can live with if Briere continues constructing the roster and system with the far future taking precedence but it shows a faulty process and it’s very possibly coming from ownership. We’ve seen how poor ownership has affected franchises

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Gregor Samsa]

It will be interesting if they finish towards the bottom of the standings(they will) will Briere be fired

 

[Cody Webster]

I said it yesterday and I will say it again today, the below is exactly why the Flyers are hiring Tocchet. The Flyers couldn't care less if he was a good coach, it's his name and his history with the team that will keep the morons coming back.

 

[ponder719]

I would love to know what ownership has told Hextall, Fletcher, and Briere. More so the latter two when the team was obviously bad. If the message was “we want the chance at playoff revenue so make moves accordingly. We don’t rebuild” it’s likely that GM’s do what they have to to keep their job. That doesn’t mean Fletcher and possibly Briere are good GM’s but they were put into an impossible situation.

If that's the case, then there's still an issue, just in this case it's with the messaging from the POHO and GM. If the diktat is is "never rebuild, make that playoff money", then just come out and admit that your plan is to push for the playoffs, future be damned. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining, be honest about what you're doing and why.

 

[Danko]

				Regu								Play
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	W	L	T	OL	PTS	PTS%	Finish	G	W	L	T	W-L%	Notes
2008-09	44	TBL	NHL	66	19	33		14	52	.394	5th
2009-10	45	TBL	NHL	82	34	36		12	80	.488	3rd
2017-18	53	ARI	NHL	82	29	41		12	70	.427	8th	0	0	0
2018-19	54	ARI	NHL	82	39	35		8	86	.524	4th	0	0	0
2019-20	55	ARI	NHL	70	33	29		8	74	.529	5th	9	4	5		.444
2020-21	56	ARI	NHL	56	24	26		6	54	.482	5th	0	0	0
2022-23	58	VAN	NHL	36	20	12		4	44	.611	6th	0	0	0
2023-24	59	VAN	NHL	82	50	23		9	109	.665	1st	13	7	6		.538
2024-25	60	VAN	NHL	82	38	30		14	90	.549	5th	0	0	0
4 yrs		ARI	NHL	290	125	131		34	284	.490		9	4	5		.444
3 yrs		VAN	NHL	200	108	65		27	243	.608		13	7	6		.538
2 yrs		TBL	NHL	148	53	69		26	132	.446
Career			NHL	638	286	265		87	659	.516		22	11	11		.500

This is Tocchets coaching record.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

If that's the case, then there's still an issue, just in this case it's with the messaging from the POHO and GM. If the diktat is is "never rebuild, make that playoff money", then just come out and admit that your plan is to push for the playoffs, future be damned. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining, be honest about what you're doing and why.

I’m not sure I expect Comcast to be transparent. I think we’ll get an idea by their actions this offseason what their vision is

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I would love to know what ownership has told Hextall, Fletcher, and Briere. More so the latter two when the team was obviously bad. If the message was “we want the chance at playoff revenue so make moves accordingly. We don’t rebuild” it’s likely that GM’s do what they have to to keep their job. That doesn’t mean Fletcher and possibly Briere are good GM’s but they were put into an impossible situation. Tocchet I can live with if Briere continues constructing the roster and system with the far future taking precedence but it shows a faulty process and it’s very possibly coming from ownership. We’ve seen how poor ownership has affected franchises

Please stop letting them off the hook with this stupid logic.

“Playoff money” from one round is a drop in the bucket. It’s the difference between signing Brad Shaw to a short term deal and signing Tocc to a big money deal.

This is a Briere, Jonesy, Hilferty, entire org issue if they end the rebuild here.

 

[GKJ]

I gotta respect a coach who got the Arizona Coyotes into the bubble though.

 

[Striiker]

I disagree with you there… the fans deserve better, period.

All the fans. Those of us who criticize the FO and yes the authentics too.

The authentics definitely piss me off with their inability to criticize obvious failures, but at the end of the day, many of them have made Flyers hockey such an integral part of their lives (for some it’s sadly their entire life) that admitting the team they’ve invested so much in is a failure on all levels would make them significantly less happy (depressed). You can’t blame the fans for being too loyal or too passionate.

And sadly, in today’s era of media rights and with the value boost of this new stadium coming in 2031, you could have that arena at 75% capacity nightly (we’ve never gone under 90% and no team outside of Carolina, Florida, Buffalo, San Jose, Arizona has been under 75%) and it would be a drop in the bucket to management.

Couldn’t disagree more.

I like when people get what they deserve. If the majority of fans vocally and aggressively wish for things that will obviously make the team bad then they deserve to watch a bad team. I don’t care how emotionally invested they are, especially if they’re still unwilling to make an effort to understand the game past what they’re told by the paid shills.

 

[ponder719]

I’m not sure I expect Comcast to be transparent. I think we’ll get an idea by their actions this offseason what their vision is

I don't see why they wouldn't be transparent on this issue, at least. The Authentic Contingent would lap that shit up if they were told the team was going to gun for the postseason like Mr. Snider would do.