AEW All Elite Wrestling #9: Mox Aggressor Brings the Blood

[Scandale du Jour]

IDK if even Wardlows push was halted...he hasn't been around...maybe there was more to that

It is not that they do not want to push him, it is that they are booking him horribly.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It is not that they do not want to push him, it is that they are booking him horribly.

I mean if they have clearly stopped pushing him like they were when he went over MJF. If he was the one that decided to let Joe cut his hair....bad call. He looks way more generic with the short hair then he did with the long hair. Not the end of the world though, he is still over give him a bit of a reset and bring him back.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Meltzer is saying that prior to all the social media posts earlier in the week TK and Punk had come to an agreement that would see him return to AEW. Punk supposedly really wants to come back. I am not sure how exactly you would ever trust him not to bury the entire company again but in the off chance it worked out it would be money.

 

[Khelandros]

Everyone of those listed, as soon as they won a title, had their push stalled.

Tony is a child playing with his toys. It's all fun and games until he gets them to the top, then he shoves them to the side and starts playing with a new toy.

Even this MJF 4 pillars thing they were setting up. Jungle Boy and Sammy should be no where near the World Title. Darby maybe maybe should be there, but he is a mid carder.

What happened to Ricky Starks? He was on a heater and now he shows up every couple of weeks to do a promo.

 

[Fro]

Starks is in a program with a member of the bullet club...I would think that's sorta high profile...but please continue to just ramble without any real point but to shit on AEW

 

[Grackle Party]

They did cool Wardlow way off when he was white hot. I agree with that one.

As for Swerve he was seeming like a top heel not sure why its taken so long to get the pay off of him vs Kieth Lee... Id guess one of them is hurt

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I think it is just reality in wrestling that the chase is most of the time more fun then the actual title reign. Bookers have been struggling with that for decades. So while yes certain title reigns have stalled out(for various reasons) others haven't. Every Moxley title run has been good to great, Omega had a great run with the belt. The Acclaimed with the tag titles. The Gunns right now. OC with his belt right now. The Trio titles have stayed pretty hot the entire time they have been around. Most of the problems honestly has been around the TNT title in the last year lol

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I think it is just reality in wrestling that the chase is most of the time more fun then the actual title reign. Bookers have been struggling with that for decades. So while yes certain title reigns have stalled out(for various reasons) others haven't. Every Moxley title run has been good to great, Omega had a great run with the belt. The Acclaimed with the tag titles. The Gunns right now. OC with his belt right now. The Trio titles have stayed pretty hot the entire time they have been around. Most of the problems honestly has been around the TNT title in the last year lol

I think you are looking at things with rose-colored glasses.

The only title reign that was great was Moxley's first one.

OC is being booked strong, but nobody cares about that belt.

Acclaimed lost the title too quick. Gunns will lose it very quickly to FTR.

The Trios title is not "hot". Some of the matches have been fun, but the title itself is not a big deal.

Omega's run with the title was good, not great. They kinda botched the Hangman thing. Did it too late.

With Punk, they have been unlucky, he got hurt right away and then the All Out bs.

Darby's first TNT Title reign was fun. Sammy's too.

Belts in AEW mean very little, tbh. MJF is making the World title matter... but now he is fighting midcard dudes. I mean, I like all of them, but none were built as a threat to the title.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I think you are looking at things with rose-colored glasses.

The only title reign that was great was Moxley's first one.

OC is being booked strong, but nobody cares about that belt.

Acclaimed lost the title too quick. Gunns will lose it very quickly to FTR.

The Trios title is not "hot". Some of the matches have been fun, but the title itself is not a big deal.

Omega's run with the title was good, not great. They kinda botched the Hangman thing. Did it too late.

With Punk, they have been unlucky, he got hurt right away and then the All Out bs.

Darby's first TNT Title reign was fun. Sammy's too.

Belts in AEW mean very little, tbh. MJF is making the World title matter... but now he is fighting midcard dudes. I mean, I like all of them, but none were built as a threat to the title.

I mean I just disagree with you lol it isn't rose colored glasses. I do not think a short run=bad. The Acclaimed had a successful run with the belts as faces got even more over and dropped the belts before they got stale. The Gunns have now been elevated by the belts, they are also bigger then they were prior. I don't care if they drop the belts or not next week the title run has worked. I just generally disagree with your entire point about belts not meaning anything in AEW.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I mean I just disagree with you lol it isn't rose colored glasses.

I mean, you can disagree all you want about what reign was enjoyable, that's a matter of opinion. But saying the Trios title is "hot" is just a lie. YOU enjoyed the matches (and I enjoyed some), but the title itself is pretty meaningless. Same for the International All Atlantic Belt that resides in OC's bag. OC's booking has been strong, but the belt means nothing.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I mean, you can disagree all you want about what reign was enjoyable, that's a matter of opinion. But saying the Trios title is "hot" is just a lie. YOU enjoyed the matches (and I enjoyed some), but the title itself is pretty meaningless. Same for the International All Atlantic Belt that resides in OC's bag. OC's booking has been strong, but the belt means nothing.

I edited in more of a reply to the first post but no me thinking the trios title is hot is not a lie. You just disagree with my opinion. That is fine. I don't care, I think it has been one of the most featured belts on the entire brand and the title lineage has gone Elite-Lucha Bros/PAC-Elite-HoB. It has literally been hot since inception. The International belt is in the process of being built up, I think it is destined to end up around the waist of someone in Japan. It definitely was nothing for a long time but they are trying to build it.

 

[GKJ]

Wardlow got cooled off because MJF no-sold their feud.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I edited in more of a reply to the first post but no me thinking the trios title is hot is not a lie. You just disagree with my opinion. That is fine. I don't care, I think it has been one of the most featured belts on the entire brand and the title lineage has gone Elite-Lucha Bros/PAC-Elite-HoB. It has literally been hot since inception. The International belt is in the process of being built up, I think it is destined to end up around the waist of someone in Japan. It definitely was nothing for a long time but they are trying to build it.

I guess we definitely do disagree on what constitutes a "hot" belt. To me, there is absolutely no buzz about those titles. Same for the International belt.

Like, there is no prestige around those belts.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Wardlow got cooled off because MJF no-sold their feud.

Wardlow cooled off because they booked him like shit after the MJF feud. MJF did not have to "sell" the feud after the fact for Wardlow to be booked correctly.

I am not sure I understand your argument.

 

[GKJ]

Wardlow cooled off because they booked him like shit after the MJF feud. MJF did not have to "sell" the feud after the fact for Wardlow to be booked correctly.

I am not sure I understand your argument.

Wardlow squashed him and that’s when the bitching and moaning from MJF happened. They wrote him out with the stretcher and then he was back like nothing happened. he was written into the world title because he threatened to walk out. He no less went into business for himself than CM Punk did.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I guess we definitely do disagree on what constitutes a "hot" belt. To me, there is absolutely no buzz about those titles. Same for the International belt.

Like, there is no prestige around those belts.

I mean the trio titles are what 6-8 months old? Of course there is no prestige behind it. They are in the process of making it prestigious but the belt has been a main feature and been on hot acts the entire time it has been around....that is with it being kind of knee capped right off the bat with the Elite having to vacate. I can definitely see where you are coming from with the International belt though I do think they are trying to elevate it now/in the near future. Couldn't disagree more on the trio belts though.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I mean the trio titles are what 6-8 months old? Of course there is no prestige behind it. They are in the process of making it prestigious but the belt has been a main feature and been on hot acts the entire time it has been around....that is with it being kind of knee capped right off the bat with the Elite having to vacate. I can definitely see where you are coming from with the International belt though I do think they are trying to elevate it now/in the near future. Couldn't disagree more on the trio belts though.

The thing with the International belt is that using OC to elevate it won't work. OC is a fun sideshow act. The guy can go and his gimmick is fun. He is over and people enjoy him, but he won't make a title meaningful. I do agree with you that they are trying to make the belt mean something by giving OC a strong run, I just do not think it is really working.

As for the Trios, I guess I just do not care about them at all. My perception might is definitely biased because I strongly dislike the Young Bucks and pretty much everything they are involved with.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Wardlow squashed him and that’s when the bitching and moaning from MJF happened. They wrote him out with the stretcher and then he was back like nothing happened. he was written into the world title because he threatened to walk out. He no less went into business for himself than CM Punk did.

I think those are two separate issues. You still could have continue the Wardlow pushed despite that. Instead, he feuded with security guards. He was still super over after the MJF match, he just cooled off over time.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The thing with the International belt is that using OC to elevate it won't work. OC is a fun sideshow act. The guy can go and his gimmick is fun. He is over and people enjoy him, but he won't make a title meaningful. I do agree with you that they are trying to make the belt mean something by giving OC a strong run, I just do not think it is really working.

As for the Trios, I guess I just do not care about them at all. My perception might is definitely biased because I strongly dislike the Young Bucks and pretty much everything they are involved with.

Yeah I get where you are coming from with OC, I think he is having a strong title run though and the biggest thing is going to be who gets the belt next. I have a feeling it will be a big name from New Japan. So it will turn into the only AEW belt being defended semi regularly in Japan, if the next reign is a dud though then the title will be dead. As for the Elite, that is fair but there title reign was essentially used to put over HoB which is arguably in my opinion the best thing the company has going right now(in the conversation for it).

 

[GKJ]

I think those are two separate issues. You still could have continue the Wardlow pushed despite that. Instead, he feuded with security guards. He was still super over after the MJF match, he just cooled off over time.

They’re not separate at all. They did a 2-year storyline, it was the hottest program, and the night Wardlow got his moment, everyone was talking about MJF no-showing an event, him being unhappy with his deal, whether or not he was showing up to Double or Nothing, and coming out on Dynamite to cut a worked-shoot on Tony. I think Wardlow even said as much. That’s why Wardlow was fighting security guards because whatever he was supposed to have wasn’t there for him the next day.

 

[Apex Predator]

What’s wrong with the 4 pillars story? They’re going to slow build this into a great story if the end game is indeed fatal 4 way. I think this will be a good storyline.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

What’s wrong with the 4 pillars story? They’re going to slow build this into a great story if the end game is indeed fatal 4 way. I think this will be a good storyline.

Oh, I have no problem with the concept. The initial promo was f***ing great.

What bugs me is that none of the 3 challengers have been built to that level yet. Like, time asking for a title match is a little ridiculous considering neither of them deserve one.

That being said, I am totally willing to look over that if the build continue to be good.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Oh, I have no problem with the concept. The initial promo was f***ing great.

What bugs me is that none of the 3 challengers have been built to that level yet. Like, time asking for a title match is a little ridiculous considering neither of them deserve one.

That being said, I am totally willing to look over that if the build continue to be good.

I honestly think it is really just Sammy that is somewhat out of place. Jungleboy and Darby were both solidly doing mid to upper card stuff the entire time where it isn't that much of a stretch to elevate to a main title program. Sammy has mostly just been a Jericho sidekick since his face turn crashed.

 

[GKJ]

AEW All Access lost 60% viewers off dynamite

 

[Unholy Diver]

AEW All Access lost 60% viewers off dynamite

How does that compare to the numbers for Power Slapnuts League?