Proposal: All contenders trades!

[Viqsi]

Just pointing out that rather than consider the possibility that McDonagh is better than Trouba, the poster was "conceding" that they are equal in talent. Not much of a concession when McDonagh has put up better numbers while being saddled with the corpse of Dan Girardi.

So you'd rather he more explicitly and openly submit to the wisdom of your opinion on these two players before you graciously allow him to move on?

 

[Prairie Habs]

So you'd rather he more explicitly and openly submit to the wisdom of your opinion on these two players before you graciously allow him to move on?

What would you add to Jenner to get Desharnais? If I were to concede that they are equal should we add a couple fluff pieces to the trade or just do a 1 for 1?

 

[Viqsi]

What would you add to Jenner to get Desharnais? If I were to concede that they are equal should we add a couple fluff pieces to the trade or just do a 1 for 1?

Don't be absurd. The difference between Jenner and Desharnais is not even in the same zip code as the difference between McDonagh and Trouba.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Don't be absurd. The difference between Jenner and Desharnais is not even in the same zip code as the difference between McDonagh and Trouba.

I'll concede that they are equal.

 

[Viqsi]

I'll concede that they are equal.

Then you're just trolling. There's a debate with Trouba and McDonagh. There isn't one with those two.

EDIT: Just so it's clear - I don't think there's much of a debate (I'd put McDonagh higher too and not even really think twice about it), but they're at least somewhat close.

 

[CanadienShark]

OK. Then forget it.

McDonagh isn't better than Trouba, sorry. Not any. There is nothing to be gained by arguing that point back and forth. I think Trouba is probably better but haven't watched much of McD. Call them =, OK? Trouba is 5 years younger. That's huge. So it is McDonagh + 1st. That is a late 1st, therefore the add but I might bend on that.

I know it's your opinion and all... but you're just plain wrong. McDonagh is a far better defenceman than Trouba. He's worth significantly more than Trouba. McDonagh is a legit #1D. Trouba has the potential, but I'm not even convinced he's a top pairing calibre guy right now.

 

[go4hockey]

Kings need offense..



Max Pacioretty
Michael McCarron
David Desharnais



Jake Muzzin
Tanner Pearson
Nick Shore


Rangers have ton of offense and are ''weak'' on D (now & prospect Wise)



Nathan Beaulieu
Noah Juulsen
1st 2017



JT Miller
3rd 2017

Then NYR could flip a 1st++ for Trouba to help their RHD.

Flame away each fanbase!

LA says hell no. Muzzin is more important than patches would be and you take away scorer in Pearson while dumping junk like DD on us who is just a bad fit for LA system Our defense is looking fixed this season we are built from the net out so we will not year apart the defense while trying to fix the offense, which with everyone healthy may not even need fixing.

 

[go4hockey]

Could we build something around Kapanen , Carrick , 2nd round pick for Muzzin?

Hell no. If we had to sign a guy as good as Muzzin is it would cost 6mil+. We will not tear apart the defense for less unproven parts. That offer is junk for LA who has to be in a try to win now mode still.

 

[go4hockey]

No sane leaf fan (if there are any ) would give up a top 10 pick for Muzzin. I don't know if any fan base would. I'm trying for a more realistic option to them.

Most sane King fans don't want to move Muzzin as he is our 2nd best defenseman and Ina sweet deal making near 4 mill per. Guys of his caliber make 6+. A defense first team does not move there best guys at the position.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Don't be absurd. The difference between Jenner and Desharnais is not even in the same zip code as the difference between McDonagh and Trouba.

So now I have to submit to the wisdom of your opinion on these two players before you graciously allow me to move on?

How about:

I'll concede that they are equal.

1 for 1?

 

[Viqsi]

So now I have to submit to the wisdom of your opinion on these two players before you graciously allow me to move on?

Unlike the situation you're failing to attempt to compare to, nobody involved in this false equivalency setup made any attempt to back out of the debate, so please stop being obtuse.

EDIT: To make this absolutely clear - I don't think the opinion that guy stated was worth defending. What I take umbrage with is the "oh no, you don't get to back out of that" attitude that was taken in response. In essence, what you're doing right now is backing someone who is teaching folks to never concede a damn thing by continuing hostility and abuse even after the other guy backs down. That's what I objected to. I'm not sure about you, but I like the idea of a forum where folks are allowed to learn from their mistakes.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

OK. Then forget it.

McDonagh isn't better than Trouba, sorry. Not any. There is nothing to be gained by arguing that point back and forth. I think Trouba is probably better but haven't watched much of McD. Call them =, OK? Trouba is 5 years younger. That's huge. So it is McDonagh + 1st. That is a late 1st, therefore the add but I might bend on that.

You are sadly very, very mistaken.


EDIT:


Wait a minute, am I also now reading in this thread that DD and Jenner are equal?



What the.... This thread is like opposite land.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Unlike the situation you're failing to attempt to compare to, nobody involved in this false equivalency setup made any attempt to back out of the debate, so please stop being obtuse.

EDIT: To make this absolutely clear - I don't think the opinion that guy stated was worth defending. What I take umbrage with is the "oh no, you don't get to back out of that" attitude that was taken in response. In essence, what you're doing right now is backing someone who is teaching folks to never concede a damn thing by continuing hostility and abuse even after the other guy backs down. That's what I objected to. I'm not sure about you, but I like the idea of a forum where folks are allowed to learn from their mistakes.

And my point is when you are on a subforum that is devoted to arguing players value backing down isn't conceding that two players are equal with no proof. What's the point in having a debate comparing players value when unfounded opinions are given just as much weight as ones with actual merit?

You are sadly very, very mistaken.


EDIT:


Wait a minute, am I also now reading in this thread that DD and Jenner are equal?



What the.... This thread is like opposite land.

I guess the answer to that depends on if you have to ability to pick up subtext...

 

[Alluckks]

And my point is when you are on a subforum that is devoted to arguing players value backing down isn't conceding that two players are equal with no proof. What's the point in having a debate comparing players value when unfounded opinions are given just as much weight as ones with actual merit?



I guess the answer to that depends on if you have to ability to pick up subtext...

Just let him be the social justice warrior and backseat moderator.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

No thanks from LA

You're more polite than I. I wouldn't do Muzzin for that package. Total garbage.

 

[Alluckks]

Rangers don't need more LHD.

 

[Runner77]

Dude.... we need offense and you solve the problem by trading our best proven forward for Pearson?

And what the hell are you doing to give 3 1st for Miller?

Beaulieu was a first draft pick however, he has a low hockey IQ, is unable to produce offensively, has poor puck management skills, quite likely relegating him to a third pairing role. Who cares where he was drafted. Where was Gallagher drafted? Does it matter?

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Beaulieu was a first draft pick however, he has a low hockey IQ, is unable to produce offensively, has poor puck management skills, quite likely relegating him to a third pairing role. Who cares where he was drafted. Where was Gallagher drafted? Does it matter?

You do realize who the coach is and how he treats Beaulieu, Patteryn, Hudon and all youngsters? One mistake and they're in the press box or worse, sent back down.

This has a tendency to stifle any creativity they might have. The guys are playing to, not make any mistakes, instead of playing the game.

 

[Viqsi]

And my point is when you are on a subforum that is devoted to arguing players value backing down isn't conceding that two players are equal with no proof. What's the point in having a debate comparing players value when unfounded opinions are given just as much weight as ones with actual merit?

Touché. I was paying more attention to the whole "I don't want to have to deal with the debate" element, but that's at least a valid followup. Fair enough.