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[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Oh my god, good grief the Chiarelli griping gets so out of control here. I think many people would be happier if Chiarelli had just allowed Rask, Krejci, and maybe even Chara to simply leave as Free agents.

Krecji is one of the 2 best offensive players on the team. He has proven he is one of the elite postseason players in the league. At the time of the contract extension he had played I believe 94% of possible games after entering the league, and again was 27 at the time, not 32

If the Bruins wanted to deal him there absolutely would be teams who would love to take him.

No, if they were considering not keeping any of those players, they should have been moved, not just allowed to walk for nothing. This applies with Loui Eriksson right now. And what we should have done with Soderberg last season.

My gripe with Chiarelli actually isn't the Krejci NTC, more of the midlevel guys that got handed them; Seidenberg, Kelly.

 

[tburns21]

You just mentioned the ONLY 3 times he's been hurt in the last 6 years. As if he's just planning to go down at EXACTLY those times. :laugh:

Prior to last year, he'd missed more than 3 games just ONCE since entering the league (he missed 7 games in 2010-11). He's had a few rough injuries lately, but it's not as if the guy is consistently hurt all the time.

Hopefully this doesn't become a trend, though. He's approaching 30 and your body doesn't get better after 30. I am not in the mindset of trading him at all right now, as we've seen that when he does get hurt, this team suffers significantly.

And to Dan's point: How often is this team fully healthy, though? Hell, when is ANY team fully healthy? The problem is, they cannot afford to lose a SINGLE important player. Connolly or Hayes is one thing, but if you lose even ONE of Bergeron or Marchand or Krejci or Eriksson, the whole roster suffers greatly. Those 4 ARE the entire offense. The rest of the team feeds off those guys. This team is VERY streaky, even when their players are healthy. And its because the defense is VERY inconsistent, and just not good enough. They'll play well for stretches, and especially they will contribute on offense. But they are just as much the cause for many of these late game breakdowns as anything else. When the going gets tough, they get going.

if you'd read my line correctly I said he always seems to get hurt at the WORST times... never once did I say frequently.... his 3 lengthy absences have been when this team desperately needs him is all I was getting at. he's a game changer for us and his injuries usually coincide with sub par play... I just wish we weren't so reliant on him or that maybe he'd be able to play through some stuff (not sure what happened when he bumped into bobby ryan)

 

[tburns21]

any chance DS starts making some roster adjumstments to take away Claude's security nets? like moving maybe kemp and K Miller down to Prov and giving spooner some PK time and bringing up Koko for 3rd line C duties to try in inject some offense? or does he make some small scramble trades to baind aid the roster on the fly for a wildcard spot push?

 

[Bergyesque]

if you'd read my line correctly I said he always seems to get hurt at the WORST times... never once did I say frequently.... his 3 lengthy absences have been when this team desperately needs him is all I was getting at. he's a game changer for us and his injuries usually coincide with sub par play... I just wish we weren't so reliant on him or that maybe he'd be able to play through some stuff (not sure what happened when he bumped into bobby ryan)

I would rather say "his 3 lengthy absences have shown this team desperately needs him".
Anytime he gets hurt, the team feels it, the moment in time it happens though doesn't matter.
It's not like he always gets hurt on the eve of every single elimination game.

 

[bp13]

any chance DS starts making some roster adjumstments to take away Claude's security nets? like moving maybe kemp and K Miller down to Prov and giving spooner some PK time and bringing up Koko for 3rd line C duties to try in inject some offense? or does he make some small scramble trades to baind aid the roster on the fly for a wildcard spot push?

If you actually think the GM's concern right now is "Claude's security nets" then I have no good answer for you. It's just a tired narrative and it couldn't be any further away from what is currently wrong with this team. So I guess to answer your question...no.

And the thought of playing Ryan Spooner on the PK is so laugh out loud funny that it might deserve it's own thread.

 

[BruinDust]

If you actually think the GM's concern right now is "Claude's security nets" then I have no good answer for you. It's just a tired narrative and it couldn't be any further away from what is currently wrong with this team. So I guess to answer your question...no.

And the thought of playing Ryan Spooner on the PK is so laugh out loud funny that it might deserve it's own thread.

While I don't think Spooner is ready for PK duty, you do realize he has taken some shifts killing penalties under Claude right, albeit not many, so it's not that outlandish.

I can't see an NHL GM saying to himself "well to fix this team I better start taking away the guys my coach trusts, that's the answer to our problems".

If he can move a guy Claude trusts (like Kemp or Kevan Miller) and bring in a couple veteran guys who are better AND Julien will trust, then fine. But I can't see Sweeney being able to move his own weaker players and bring in quality without severely over-paying, even then he probably can't get it done.

 

[bp13]

While I don't think Spooner is ready for PK duty, you do realize he has taken some shifts killing penalties under Claude right, albeit not many, so it's not that outlandish.

I can't see an NHL GM saying to himself "well to fix this team I better start taking away the guys my coach trusts, that's the answer to our problems".

If he can move a guy Claude trusts (like Kemp or Kevan Miller) and bring in a couple veteran guys who are better AND Julien will trust, then fine. But I can't see Sweeney being able to move his own weaker players and bring in quality without severely over-paying, even then he probably can't get it done.

Ultimately I don't think Sweeney should, or will, do anything. This team is different without their best offensive player, and thus he shouldn't make moves based on this depleted team. If he did, he'd be a fool.

So the best move seems like to do something that he would have done 3 weeks ago when Krejci was healthy. Make moves in the interest of the future. The goal for this team now is to survive, and that's going to come down to better player from guys like Chara, Rask, Bergy, Marchand. Those guys need to keep this team afloat.

 

[BB88]

How is Krejci's contract unmovable? Not like it's a 10x10, and Krejci is a damn good player to have.

Edit: Not saying we should deal him either, just saying he is one of the league's best and we should be happy to have him.

He has all the control, and he just became a father.

I absolutely agree that with this defense we aren't a solid playoff team, if we make it we'd go against Florida or Montreal and this defense would save Therriens job, they know they can do whatever they want with it and they outplay us every damm time, and Florida plays great defense and they don't have a weak pairing and their forwards always skate back to defend.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

-Trade Loui for top assets at the deadline. Move these assets at the draft and add what is needed to get a top player. F or D.

-Sign at least 1 impact player on July 1st with the money Loui would have gotten so ~6M per. Add if needed.

-Unless they are traded, add two more 1st to the prospect list.

 

[Tampbear]

While I don't think Spooner is ready for PK duty, you do realize he has taken some shifts killing penalties under Claude right, albeit not many, so it's not that outlandish.

I can't see an NHL GM saying to himself "well to fix this team I better start taking away the guys my coach trusts, that's the answer to our problems".

If he can move a guy Claude trusts (like Kemp or Kevan Miller) and bring in a couple veteran guys who are better AND Julien will trust, then fine. But I can't see Sweeney being able to move his own weaker players and bring in quality without severely over-paying, even then he probably can't get it done.

I don't think it will happen but I believe the best thing this team could do for the future is move Seidenberg. We need to find out if Morrow and Trotman can adjust to playing full time or if we need to move on from them and upgrade the D. The playoffs shouldn't be the ultimate goal but rather developing the D so they aren't playing like rookies next year too. Chara's minutes need to be reduced, and I don't want to hear who else could cover the minutes because at this point none of the other D are making the mistakes that Chara is making, and could play more at Chara's expense.

The offense is inconsistent but it is also very young and I'm alright leaving it untouched and letting Loui walk in the off season. I think Vatrano is well on his way to being a top 6 lw with a great all around game. Pasta I think is a top 6 forward as well going forward, although he needs to be more responsible defensively. I know Hayes and Connolly disappoint people but they make just over 3 mil collectively and neither is hurting the team. Hayes is mostly invisible but wins us games when he isn't and Connolly while scoring at a career low has imo complimented the Bergeron line better than anyone else put there and is a reliable cheap bottom 6 forward at the moment who could at some point improve his production.

I think the focus on this season ought to be on the nearly half a roster of players playing their first full season in the NHL and developing their games, especially the rookie D which is spending large portions of the season in the box.

 

[compan]

If it's looking like San Jose isn't going to give us a top 5 pick at the draft in March, I hope Dealer Don can get something going so we can get a premier young Dman for the future. Hopefully some forwards through trade and the system to fill in other holes. Loving how Spooner is coming along and Pasta in 2-3 years will be a 60-70pt forward probably.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Has anyone seen Sweeney lately? Anyone know if he's still alive? If he is, why is Kemp not waived yet?

Wake up Sweeney! Or is he too busy evaluating?

 

[compan]

Has anyone seen Sweeney lately? Anyone know if he's still alive? If he is, why is Kemp not waived yet?

Wake up Sweeney! Or is he too busy evaluating?

"Hey Pete? Yeah it's me again. So how long do we evaluate for before making a move?


...until it's too late?



Ok, yeah that makes sense. Thanks bud."

 

[BBB24]

Has anyone seen Sweeney lately? Anyone know if he's still alive? If he is, why is Kemp not waived yet?

Wake up Sweeney! Or is he too busy evaluating?

Curious who would you replace him with?

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Curious who would you replace him with?

At the moment? Koko.

 

[BB88]

I posted this on the game thread even though I realized it belongs here.

How can this team be fixed?
=draft weekend.

Matthews, Laine, Pulju, Chychrun, Tkatchuk, Nylander, Dubois, Sergachyov and so on, we are missing that level of players and we have nothing that could give us those level of players in their prime, so we have to draft them.
How do we draft them? By being smart and aggressive, need top10/close to picks so have to find away.

Minnesota offered Brodin for Johanssen, Blues Shattenkirk for Johanssen, those teams need #1C in his prime and Spooner/x is not enough, won't fill their needs, Buff wants a contract that's disaster waiting to happen.

I guess Lou's future here is looking weaker so trade him for 1st and have 3 1st round picks at the draft, but leave the draft with 2 1st round picks, and try to get 2 of the top12 guys and create one of the best prospect pools, then turn into UFA market and try to sign a player in his prime, and keep the team going, fight for playoffs, and watch the future start to make impact soon.

If Eriksson goes this team is likely a bottom10 team or very close, and I said in the offseason if I have to suffer for 1 year to have potentially great 5+ years I'll take it.

Keeping Lou(if no future) and wasting a 1st round pick just isn't worth it, to potentially make few mills more, build a future that will give you tens of millions in the playoffs year after year having potential for long playoff runs.

 

[kdog82]

Trade Loui back to Dallas for Honka

Honka is a RH Dman, 20 years old.

Not sure Dallas goes for this, not sure how good Honka is or can be. The Stars are a cup contender and could use Loui to put them over the top.

Or, look at other contenders and see what they'd offer for Loui.

Loui to Washington for Johansson + 2nd

Loui to Florida for Kulikov

Just throwing offers out there.

 

[sirmaxalot]

What would/could we offer for Drouin?

 

[BB88]

Trade Loui back to Dallas for Honka

Honka is a RH Dman, 20 years old.

Not sure Dallas goes for this, not sure how good Honka is or can be. The Stars are a cup contender and could use Loui to put them over the top.

Or, look at other contenders and see what they'd offer for Loui.

Loui to Washington for Johansson + 2nd

Loui to Florida for Kulikov

Just throwing offers out there.

Honka is way too good for Eriksson, Florida would be adding talent without giving up roster players, Kulikov-Ekblad is a pairing for them and a really good one.

 

[compan]

What would/could we offer for Drouin?

Probably more than we'd be willing to give up.

 

[617Marine]

Not to blend threads here, but Don Sweeney should channel his inner Frank Underwood and trade Loui to any Pacific Division team not named San Jose to ensure they miss the playoffs.

 

[sirmaxalot]

Probably more than we'd be willing to give up.

NYI 2016 2nd and Koko/Subban?

 

[Bergyesque]

I posted this on the game thread even though I realized it belongs here.

How can this team be fixed?
=draft weekend.

Matthews, Laine, Pulju, Chychrun, Tkatchuk, Nylander, Dubois, Sergachyov and so on, we are missing that level of players and we have nothing that could give us those level of players in their prime, so we have to draft them.
How do we draft them? By being smart and aggressive, need top10/close to picks so have to find away.

Minnesota offered Brodin for Johanssen, Blues Shattenkirk for Johanssen, those teams need #1C in his prime and Spooner/x is not enough, won't fill their needs, Buff wants a contract that's disaster waiting to happen.

I guess Lou's future here is looking weaker so trade him for 1st and have 3 1st round picks at the draft, but leave the draft with 2 1st round picks, and try to get 2 of the top12 guys and create one of the best prospect pools, then turn into UFA market and try to sign a player in his prime, and keep the team going, fight for playoffs, and watch the future start to make impact soon.

Easier said than done. Teams don't seem enticed to trade away their high picks

If Eriksson goes this team is likely a bottom10 team or very close, and I said in the offseason if I have to suffer for 1 year to have potentially great 5+ years I'll take it.

Keeping Lou(if no future) and wasting a 1st round pick just isn't worth it, to potentially make few mills more, build a future that will give you tens of millions in the playoffs year after year having potential for long playoff runs.

I think the Jacobs would beg to differ

 

[Absurdity]

NYI 2016 2nd and Koko/Subban?

Think more of the lines of Pastrnak or Colin Miller and maybe picks. The Bruins aren't rumored to be in on him, and I doubt Tampa trades him within the conference.

 

[BB88]

Easier said than done. Teams don't seem enticed to trade away their high picks



I think the Jacobs would beg to differ

Doesn't need to be even a top5 pick to get what we need.
2 picks in the 7-12 range, and wouldn't say no to lottery win
But if both teams SJ+us finish outside of playoffs we could easily finish in that range.

and that thinking could seriously hurt us and leave millions on the table in the future.
Can't be that blind and only think of 1year when your team is re-tooling and having huge holes in the lineup, I'd lose a ton of trust towards this management if we are buyers instead of sellers.

Just look at the teams in our division and their potential, they are stealing Jacobs future millions right now, a lot lot more than what they'd get this year.
+Win the lottery and you sell their jerseys/x for millions (joke)

Not to blend threads here, but Don Sweeney should channel his inner Frank Underwood and trade Loui to any Pacific Division team not named San Jose to ensure they miss the playoffs.

Anaheim is the best fit, Calgary shouldn't give up a 1st this year.

NYI 2016 2nd and Koko/Subban?

a 2nd won't get you top3 pick from 2 years ago, they have absolutely zero need for Subban and Koko has little value.