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SoundwaveIsCharisma said:
Joshua started with a much better gameplan but looked like he couldn’t sustain it as the fight went on. Usyk also started off slow, could be because he was trying to get the read on Joshua. Pretty interesting fight, very calculated from both fighters. Almost the exact opposite of Wilder and Fury.
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Seemed like the game plan was to work on Usyk body and hope to finish it off in later rounds. Came close in 9th but Usyk came back with vengeance.
 
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I don’t see how anyone could think AJ has a chance with Fury

Fury is as technically sound as Usyk but in a 6’9 270lb body

We NEED an undisputed fight to cement Fury’s legacy as an all-time great HW
 
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Usyk's defense is straight up elite. AJ had some success going to the body but Usyk put on a clinic slipping his jabs.

I think Fury would win but if he doesn't fight Usyk he'll never be mentioned as one of the greats. Beating Wilder, great accomplishment. Mad credit to anyone who beats a Klitschko, regardless of age. Those guys always came in tremendous shape and tough as they come.

It's still not enough to say Fury ran the division during his time. He needs to fight #2 and Usyk is easily that guy.
 
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eXile3 said:
Usyk's defense is straight up elite. AJ had some success going to the body but Usyk put on a clinic slipping his jabs.

I think Fury would win but if he doesn't fight Usyk he'll never be mentioned as one of the greats. Beating Wilder, great accomplishment. Mad credit to anyone who beats a Klitschko, regardless of age. Those guys always came in tremendous shape and tough as they come.

It's still not enough to say Fury ran the division during his time. He needs to fight #2 and Usyk is easily that guy.
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Fury is a top 10 HW regardless imo but beating Usyk for all the belts makes it not debatable
 
Sasha Orlov said:
I don’t see how anyone could think AJ has a chance with Fury

Fury is as technically sound as Usyk but in a 6’9 270lb body

We NEED an undisputed fight to cement Fury’s legacy as an all-time great HW
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Does anyone outside AJs family actually think that though?
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
Fury is a top 10 HW regardless imo but beating Usyk for all the belts makes it not debatable
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I disagree. I think he needs to beat Usyk to put him there. He beat Wladimir, but Wlad was also near 40 and turned around to get beat by AJ. His Resume just isn’t up to par with some of the other HW. Really the Wilder fights are his best accomplishments.
 
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eXile3 said:
I disagree. I think he needs to beat Usyk to put him there. He beat Wladimir, but Wlad was also near 40 and turned around to get beat by AJ. His Resume just isn’t up to par with some of the other HW. Really the Wilder fights are his best accomplishments.
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I think that is a fair opinion
One consideration is that there simply hasn’t been anyone for Fury to fight, the heavyweight division has been trash for 15 years almost

Extrapolating from what we’ve see Fury do, I think there’s maybe 5-7 guys all time that give him real trouble, his skill and size combo is just too much

I agree w the Usyk bit though, that has to happen
 
Sasha Orlov said:
I think that is a fair opinion
One consideration is that there simply hasn’t been anyone for Fury to fight, the heavyweight division has been trash for 15 years almost

Extrapolating from what we’ve see Fury do, I think there’s maybe 5-7 guys all time that give him real trouble, his skill and size combo is just too much

I agree w the Usyk bit though, that has to happen
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Right, it’s hard to punish Fury just because of the garbage competition.
 
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Sasha Orlov said:
Fury is a top 10 HW regardless imo but beating Usyk for all the belts makes it not debatable
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Have to disagree with top 10. Maybe....maybe top 15 and that's just basing it off of him beating Usyk for undisputed. He just doesn't have the resume to be in the elite company. Wilder x 2, an old Wlad Klitschko are his best wins. He's fought B level competition in Chisora x 2 and Whyte. Outside of those 4 guys over 7 fights, the rest of his resume is very, very, very, very, did I say very? Subpar. I will add to the fact, I am a Tyson Fury supporter and I am not "hating" on him.
 
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AceKing21 said:
Have to disagree with top 10. Maybe....maybe top 15 and that's just basing it off of him beating Usyk for undisputed. He just doesn't have the resume to be in the elite company. Wilder x 2, an old Wlad Klitschko are his best wins. He's fought B level competition in Chisora x 2 and Whyte. Outside of those 4 guys over 7 fights, the rest of his resume is very, very, very, very, did I say very? Subpar. I will add to the fact, I am a Tyson Fury supporter and I am not "hating" on him.
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See my second post on the matter
I don’t disagree with you though, I just think Fury is a victim of his era

If you transport him to basically any HW era he is a top 2-3 talent easily imo
 
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See my second post on the matter
I don’t disagree with you though, I just think Fury is a victim of his era

If you transport him to basically any HW era he is a top 2-3 talent easily imo
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I can respect that, 100%. He would definitely be a player in any era. He's got size and skill to give any fighter problems. I enjoy watching him and I enjoy his theatrics, I hope he gives us one more fight. I saw that he tweeted yesterday saying they have till Sept 1st to secure the money for the fight and if not, hes staying retired. If anyone actually believes that, they're crazy. Tyson is just being Tyson and hanging us all by a thread so we buy into the PPV hype LOL.
 
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AceKing21 said:
I can respect that, 100%. He would definitely be a player in any era. He's got size and skill to give any fighter problems. I enjoy watching him and I enjoy his theatrics, I hope he gives us one more fight. I saw that he tweeted yesterday saying they have till Sept 1st to secure the money for the fight and if not, hes staying retired. If anyone actually believes that, they're crazy. Tyson is just being Tyson and hanging us all by a thread so we buy into the PPV hype LOL.
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His theatrics but not his fights. Besides his Wilder fights, which were great, he’s had some ugly fights. Wladimir and Whyte come to mind as being awful. Effective, but awful.
 
eXile3 said:
His theatrics but not his fights. Besides his Wilder fights, which were great, he’s had some ugly fights. Wladimir and Whyte come to mind as being awful. Effective, but awful.
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The Wlad fight I can agree with, but the Whyte fight was too easy as it was apparent they were not on the same level from the opening bell. Fury is never going to steamroll anyone that is at an elite level, hes going to wear them down with his size and pick his shots accordingly. He's deceptively fast for his size and has better then average footwork. If he fights Usyk, I think he wears him down and stops his late.
 
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