Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[Kobe Armstrong]

Interesting Carrier is still signed for a couple years after this at a pretty high cap hit, wonder what his value on the open market was, probably worthless

 

[Goalfield13]

Interesting Carrier is still signed for a couple years after this at a pretty high cap hit, wonder what his value on the open market was, probably worthless

He was traded for Barron. So, yes, worthless.

 

[417]

Not sure how having 1 RD makes the other RD positions void. Also, well when you pair Barron with Newhook...don't you start thinking they actually do pull fast ones? I mean, another type of trade to a lesser extent by the Avs that won't be as spectacular was them getting Josh Manson for another kid who, contrary to Barron, I liked very much in Drew Helleson. Though a lefty....this 2nd rounder also might not look as enticing as he once looked though....he's still 23.

So somehow, Avs seems to know what they are sending away. Though I will reserve my right to review Helleson in a few years. Still have some confidence in him.

Cale Makar, Erik Johnson, Josh Manson were all in their lineup at the NHL level.

The Avalanche were making a run for the Cup...Barron became expendable because they felt strong enough on D and Barron wasn't going to be part of that push for the Cup that year, while Lehkonen was.

We see these types of moves from contenders every deadline.

We can't look at this trade like it was the 2024 Lehkonen, as the player we were trading at the deadline.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

He was traded for Barron. So, yes, worthless.

I wonder how negative his value was though, because Barron isn’t negative value you can just waive him

I’m happy with the warm body though

 

[Habs]

This trade will not help the team long term and i'm pretty sure that was not the point. They gave up on Barron and gave him a chance to try again elsewhere. They needed a vet RHD on a short term and Carrier is the one they got for Barron.

I wanted Barron gone, but let's stop swapping for spare parts and make some noise at some point, out Blueline is horrific. BTW I don't want Dobson either

 

[Goalfield13]

I wonder how negative his value was though, because Barron isn’t negative value you can just waive him

I’m happy with the warm body though

All jokes aside, Carrier seems to be a serviceable 4-5 D, but he is undersized and plays in Nashville, where he is likely not known too well. I am actually shocked we got a RD like him for Barron.

 

[Whitesnake]

Cale Makar, Erik Johnson, Josh Manson were all in their lineup at the NHL level.

The Avalanche were making a run for the Cup...Barron became expendable because they felt strong enough on D and Barron wasn't going to be part of that push for the Cup that year, while Lehkonen was.

We see these types of moves from contenders every deadline.

Well I'd like to see if a lot of teams, as contending as they were, got rid of a 20 year old 6'2'' RD....again, a position that seems insanely tough to get. The moves we see way more are getting rid of actual 1st round picks instead. Which, to me, would have been better.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

All jokes aside, Carrier seems to be a serviceable 4-5 D, but he is undersized and plays in Nashville, where he is likely not known too well. I am actually shocked we got a RD like him for Barron.

Carrier + 2nd for Lehkonen has more potential than Barron + 2nd at least

 

[salbutera]

Find me a point, anywhere in this discussion, where I have said that Barron developed how they wanted or provided the outcome they wanted when they acquired him?

It was time to move on - I've said that. He wasn't making a claim to the lineup and have guys in the pipeline ready to replace him by next year.

See, not that hard to say? But yet guys on the other side of the fence won't even admit that the trade was good value at the time of the trade, or admit that Barron was a good prospect with plenty of tools worth the investment.

Not at all - never trade a heart & soul type who can be slotted anywhere in the lineup for a pousse caca low hockey IQ dipshit.

I expressed those views immediately after the deal was announced. Atrocious trade

This is exactly why this concept of “development” is a BS red herring and gets confused w a player maturing be it physically or emotionally.

Dipshits issue isn’t a lack of maturing as a pro, he’s simply a poor NHL hockey IQ asset - simply can’t think the game at the NHL level

 

[LaP]

I think we, myself included, would have appreciated Lehkonen a lot more if we had talent on the team. The problem is his GM was fixated on just having a team of Lehkonens, so he never stood out. Of course when he goes to a team that is full of talent, we see what he brings.

Kind of like Kovacevic. Our entire defence was just guys that play simple, boring hockey + Matheson. It made sense to get rid of him.

The revisionism is pretty funny. Especially with Kovacevic who NO ONE wanted to keep.

Important to note that the AVs is not just a team full of talent. One day MacKinnon will end up being considered one of the best forward ever. Top 10? Top 20? Top 30 ever? Not sure but he's not just a top player atm he's a top player in history. Same for Makar. Like Hyman Lehkonen is a good complement but he remains just that and like you said our team was full of that type ofg players.

The value was fine at the time of the trade. It's not today. No GM makes only good trades you evaluate a GM based on his body of work after 5 years not based on 2-3 trades. If you look at MB's trades they are fine for the most part what was not fine was the vision. A GM is a builder not a worker. You can sign good contracts and make good trade but if you build like the Homer car it'S not going to work.

I'd argue a good GM will have to purposely make a bad trades at one point. It would have been better for MB to make a bad trade for ROR involving picks and prospects than not making any trade for a center.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

They had to do it because they had too many defenseman.

They weren't going to waive Xhekaj.
Struble had earned his NHL keep based on his play last season.
Hutson was always going to play.
Savard was the veteran.
Matheson they still value and wanted to keep around off a 60 point season and being a leader in the room.
Barron wasn't going to get waived.
Guhle is our best defenseman.

That's 7 defenseman.. they were going to move on from Harris and Kovacevic to allow the guys to move into the line-up and not sit and not play. Even today we can't get both Struble and Xhekaj into the line-up, not sure why we'd compound that by keeping Kovacevic around. Nor did Kovacevic play ever warrant being looked at as more than a 7th defenseman.

It was logic to do so; and I think they were expecting more of a push from Mailloux toward that line-up and it didn't quite happen that way. But the logic behind all those summer moves made perfect sense.



OK and the result is that they have Michael Hage in the system by virtue of using that Colorado 2nd round pick. They also now have Carrier on defense.

I disagree 100%.
While I agree it was obvious the habs would only be able to keep a maximum of 8 defenseman in the NHL but instead of letting their play during camp+ pre season decide if their defenseman warranted to stay in the NHL, the habs decided to decimate their depth so they can give opportunity to their younger defenseman. To me this is/was always dumb, a 4th round pick for Kovacevic is not good enough of an asset to move him before training camp. If a team offered a 1st, sure but a mid round pick? The worst case scenario is that Kovacevic stink at camp and you demote him to the AHL or lose him on waiver and miss out on a mid pick. No big deal considering his cap hit. The issue was, if Mailloux, Reinbacher, Barron were not ready (which we know happened) or showed the talent to stay with the big club at least you would still have Kovacevic as a depth defenseman. It would also mean a battle for a roster spot at camp. Handing out NHL roster spot to rookie prior to the camp is not the way professional sport should be. It's a competitive sport, you need depth and you want them to show you they are ready by their play on the ice. Now guess what, we have acquired a depth defenseman in Carrier with a significant cap hit and terms. If he stink, you are stuck with him, demoting him to the AHL is not an option.

 

[Kennerback]

Apparently Nashville fans universally hate the deal.

 

[Wateredgarden]

The guy was voted 10th in Norris voting 2 years ago?

 

[417]

Well I'd like to see if a lot of teams, as contending as they were, got rid of a 20 year old 6'2'' RD....again, a position that seems insanely tough to get. The moves we see way more are getting rid of actual 1st round picks instead. Which, to me, would have been better.

Maybe but again...you can't evaluate that trade today, as though the Lehknonen they were trading then, is the Lehkonen we see today.

It just wasn't...go look on the Avs board, not even Avs fans were all that enthused about the trade. I remember going on there and posting that they might have gotten the steal of the deadline.

His value wasn't *that* great in the winter of 2022...

 

[morhilane]

Yeah I get it, just not sure why they were so convinced Barron was going to take another step or that Mailloux was ready to push into the lineup.
....

The Mailloux thing is easy: Bouillon kept saying he was NHL ready last year. Now we know Bouillon isn't very good at evaluating prospects, should stick to gyms and training.

Apparently Nashville fans universally hate the deal.

It's really weird out there. I'm saying people saying the Habs lose the trade because Carrier sucks and undersized while Barron is 6'2'', but also that Nashville made a bad trade and Trotz is the worst GM ever.

Looks like a lots of people out there have no idea who those two players are..or the state of the Habs defense.

 

[417]

Not at all - never trade a heart & soul type who can be slotted anywhere in the lineup for a pousse caca low hockey IQ dipshit.

I expressed those views immediately after the deal was announced. Atrocious trade

This is exactly why this concept of “development” is a BS red herring and gets confused w a player maturing be it physically or emotionally.

Dipshits issue isn’t a lack of maturing as a pro, he’s simply a poor NHL hockey IQ asset - simply can’t think the game at the NHL level

What he do to you man?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Apparently Nashville fans universally hate the deal.

Well they just traded for the worst defender in the NHL

 

[Kennerback]

I like it. Unlike Barron, Carrier can act as a RD placeholder that can actually play in the NHL until either Mailloux or Reinbacher get their shit together.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Barron could not be sent down (correct)
only way to move him out was trade

What I like about this trade is Carrier mentioned before the trade he wished to play for the Habs. A player who wants to play for us is a good thing. We don't have many happy players here with a smile like Dvorak for example ya know.

 

[salbutera]

What he do to you man?

Can’t believe Habs traded a non stop motor who played up & down the lineup as asked without any whining for a low IQ meathead

It is glaringly obvious the likes of Dipshit, Kegmeister (Beaulieu) and meathead (Pouliot) have little to no NHL level hockey IQ

 

[V13]

Honestly i don't know much about Carrier and never really noticed the guy when i watched Nashville games (which is not much but still). He does have OK offensive stats , better than Barron at least. Defensively i don't know. He's -14 this year but from the look of it he was mostly a + guy for most of his career. Now that doesn't mean much and was possibly a product of the Nashville D squad as a whole but heh gotta look for some positives

In any case it was getting obvious that Barron time in Montreal was over and that he was not in the team plans for the future. I thought we would net us some mid round pick but getting a D that can fill in immediately is not bad a i guess. It may end up being a good move who knows

 

[Kennerback]

Well they just traded for the worst defender in the NHL

But how could Preds fans know. They probably haven’t seen enough of Barron. To them it’s just another 23 y/o 6’2 RHD.

 

[teamfirst]

I certainly wasn't mad they traded Kovacevic, considering the cost they paid to acquire him, getting what they got was solid value.

Just not sure why they needed to do it, his salary was affordable, he played a role they didn't really have. It just seems like they've now spent the entire season looking for that type of player.

And we can argue whether or not Carrier > Kovacevic, I can't really provide an informed opinion I don't know much about Carrier.

But given their salaries, is the *that* much better?

I don't know....I just think they jumped the gun on Kovacevic a bit.

They traded him obviously beceause they knew one of Hutson-Reinbacher-Mailloux would make the team and didn't want to lose Barron on waivers.

What's bothering me a little there.... is why it took them so long to figure that Barron had no future with us.

 

[salbutera]

They traded him obviously beceause they knew one of Hutson-Reinbacher-Mailloux would make the team and didn't want to lose Barron on waivers.

What's bothering me a little there.... is why it took them so long to figure that Barron had no future with us.

Probably because no team showed any level of interest in Dipshit

 

[sampollock]

Barron sucked many of commented many times on this

KH was not going to get zip for him and if sent down, loose him for zip
good deal KH. Barron did not work out. end of story

Can we comment on some points of what the new dude brings?