Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[Whitesnake]

Barron’s career hasn’t even begun yet. We leveraged the 2nd to get Hage. Lek would’ve been wasted here.

I make that trade again for sure.

Not mentioning that we should have kept Lehky though I don't see how he hurts us. Thing is Barron has a target wasn't a good one. And if you have to trade for Lehky, get 2 high picks instead.

 

[Theodore450]

I am puzzled as well. Carrier’s first full NHL season he was already 24. Barron is 23. Must mean they are pretty convinced Barron is a bust and he has very little value. Hopefully they are right, cause I am sure we’ll hear about it every time Barron gets a few points for the rest of his career

That’s cause they (finally) realized that Justin Trashbin is and will never be a viable option on a playoff team. At some point you have the reward the team with guys that can play

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Guhle can probably go back to LD.

Guhle-Carrier
Hutson-Matheson
Xhekaj-Savard
Struble

Strubs is going to have to sit until we move Savard, which we'll definitely do.

 

[Theodore450]

Not mentioning that we should have kept Lehky though I don't see how he hurts us. Thing is Barron has a target wasn't a good one. And if you have to trade for Lehky, get 2 high picks instead.

Lehky direct replacement was obtained with 2 higher picks. And I rather have lehky than newhook

 

[salbutera]

Not mentioning that we should have kept Lehky though I don't see how he hurts us. Thing is Barron has a target wasn't a good one. And if you have to trade for Lehky, get 2 high picks instead.

If anything that non stop motor (work ethic factor) would be contagious on a young group

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Not mentioning that we should have kept Lehky though I don't see how he hurts us. Thing is Barron has a target wasn't a good one. And if you have to trade for Lehky, get 2 high picks instead.

Yeah, we should have gotten a 1st for him, but Hughes was able to use that 2nd to move up to get Hage, so not a total loss.

Lehkonen was seriously under appreciated here.

 

[overlords]

If anything that non stop motor (work ethic factor) would be contagious on a young group

It was a cap thing when we traded lehk iirc

 

[MeanMugging91]

But that trade is a confirmatoin that the Lehky trade was a really bad one. People should just acknowledge it at this point.

Lehky is killing it in Colorado, doubt he would have hit those number in montreal but it definitely doesn't look great looking back. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. Way she goes some times. I do like the fact that he didn't just wait till he lost Barron for nothing on waivers and did turn him into a #4-5 d man. That second we got with Barron help us move up for Hage so well have to see how that plays out.

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

Meh! I didn't believe in Barron anymore as I once did. The good thing with this trade is that Barron's progression or lack of it in Nashville will give us a hint on how MSL is doing with the development.

I think I would have preferred Desharnais though

 

[JoelWarlord]

I posted HuGo got anally raped on the deal the moment it was announced

Players like Lekhonen cannot be evaluated strictly by looking at their stats

Yeah I always loved the guy but he was despised here for being "a 30 pts player" and now everyone's pretending we traded Gretzky. Also the cap situation has just been entirely memory holed (we straight up wouldn't have had the money to sign him even after trading Kulak/Chiarot/Petry/Toffoli until Price went on LTIR that August)

 

[salbutera]

It was a cap thing when we traded lehk iirc

BS - there was other ways to free up spac

One concern I have about HuGo’s pro scouting is they seem to not be very good at evaluating character

 

[Intangir]

I posted HuGo got anally raped on the deal the moment it was announced

Players like Lekhonen cannot be evaluated strictly by looking at their stats

We were in salary cap hell when we traded Lehkonen too, so even if the value that he got back in trade isn't the greatest, it was still a smart move that ultimately allowed us to trade an excess 2nd-round pick to get the pick we used on Michael Hage.

Having Carrier will also allow us to more easily trade Savard/Matheson, so it adds value too.

And then we get into the whole "rebuilding team" part of the argument, and it becomes even clearer why we had to trade Lehkonen despite the fact that he was one of our few bright spots in 2022.

And when we look at Kent Hughes' history of trades as a GM, though I am ambivalent about the Dach and Newhook trades I still feel that he has done very well overall given the circumstances.

Some of Hughes' feats include getting us 2 firsts for taking, re-signing, and then later trading Monahan, managing to manuever himself out of MB's salary cap hell whilst not losing too much value overall (easier said than done), getting a 1st+ for Chiarot,
acquiring Laine AND a likely high 2nd for Harris, nabbing us Matheson for Petry, basically managed to use retention slots and Mike Hoffman to acquire a high Pittsburgh 2nd this year and veterans (Petry and DeSmith), which he then piece-mealed into another 3rd and 4th...

Kent Hughes hasn't even been in function for three years and he's already done very well for himself on the trade front. Better than any 3-year window of any Montreal GM in a WHILE.

 

[Habs]

Carrier’s game ironically is very similar to his new D coach, Robidas during his prime Dallas Stars seasons IMO

Carrier can play 20TOI due to his mobility + hockey IQ, a threshold Dipshit will never attain at NHL level

They said the same about Newhook. Did we bring this stud because he can play hockey or because he speaks the language? Good times, let's gather more 6-7 D Kent.

 

[GordonGraham]

Play him as a # 4 this year and next and slide to 3rd pair in final year of his deal whena kid takes his place ?

 

[Andrei79]

When does Noah Dobson come into the plan? That's if @Andrei79 approves of the neck

Dobson has pretty much a goldilocks morphology. Too little neck and you're likely headed for a coaching career, the bottom lines or chronic unemployment (this risk doubles and sometimes triples depending on studies if you have narrow eyes as well). Too much neck and you'll be cursed with one of the worst "gifts" one can be born into: talented enough to make the pros, but destined to be the fans laughing stock and soon to be out of the league. You won't make enough income to sustain a whole life, you're likely of average intelligence meaning your prospects outside of hockey are, at best, mediocre and you've tasted just enough of the sweet, sweet nectar of professional sports to be able to be nostalgic about what could have been, but which wasn't ever realistic with your cursed morphology.

Then, you have players like Dobson. You measure the neck and it's, quite evidently, of above average length, but still well within what's considered normal. It's imposing without being in freak territory. Think of a magnificent eagle with its long strong neck, compared to a horrible looking animal like an emu with it's abomination of a morphology, unable to fly or do much of anything except be slaughtered.

Just look at this fine specimen:

Notice the resemblance with one of our prospects, Mailloux. Similar facial structure and features above the filtrum. Where does he differ though ? What makes Dobson a star while Mailloux a player who we fear might become another low IQ player. It's the wide jaw compared to Maillouxs narrower, triangle shaped jaw and chin, highlighting his neck. This triangle shape also appears when you look at him from his profile. Two pieces of evidence to show everyone what I mean:

Look at the blue lines and sharp angles. The whole facial and head morphology pronounces the neck further.

Meanwhile:

Just beautiful. A perfect specimen.

 

[JoelWarlord]

BS - there was other ways to free up space

They traded Chiarot, Toffoli, and Kulak, only took back Dadonov to clear Weber's entire contract, and saved another 1.5M on the Petry/Matheson swap without spending any new money, and we still had zero dollars available until Price went on LTIR.

The way to free up space would have been dumping a 1st to get rid of Drouin or Hoffman. We know this because Monahan cost a 1st to dump in that exact same summer.

 

[1909]

Lehkonen for Barron for Carrier….. Hughes is not winning anyway.

You keep Lehky and Kovacevic and the team is already a .500 team, if not more.

Carrier should be ok. He had a 30 points season two or three seasons ago. Always been in the plusses except this season on a god awful worst team than Habs. His salary is a bit high. I guess they gonna trade Savard soon.

 

[salbutera]

They said the same about Newhook. Did we bring this stud because he can play hockey or because he speaks the language? Good times, let's gather more 6-7 D Kent.

Can’t have an entire D corps of 25 & under -
Savard will be gonzo need a replacement

BTW - Carrier is a legit 20TOI top 4, who is simply having a tough first third of the season

 

[LaP]

Solid trade imo. Was not working for Barron. Carrier is a good 3rd pairing guy with experience and a local player. Will be easier to trade savard at the deadline knowing we already have someone signed to replace him next season. Doesn't prevent to sign or acquire a real top 4 RHD during the summer either and leave one spot left for Mailloux/Reinbacher/Engstrom.

 

[salbutera]

They traded Chiarot, Toffoli, and Kulak, only took back Dadonov to clear Weber's entire contract, and saved another 1.5M on the Petry/Matheson swap without spending any new money, and we still had zero dollars available until Price went on LTIR.

The way to free up space would have been dumping a 1st to get rid of Drouin or Hoffman. We know this because Monahan cost a 1st to dump in that exact same summer.

Anderson?

 

[Andrei79]

I guess he figured Kova was replaceable and wanted to give Barron one more chance. Giving Barron 2 years instead of one was the bigger headscratcher. At the time of the trade, it was Barron/Struble/Harris/Mailloux/Reinbacher/Xhekaj and Kovacevic all competing for the bottom pair. Barron never capitalized, Struble is having a horrible year, Harris got traded because that's who Trevor Timmins (lol) targetted for Columbus, Mailloux's defensive struggles are still severe, Reinbacher got injured for the year, and Xhekaj took the last spot. All of a sudden defensive depth was a need.

I kind of wish we got Fabbro as well, still not sure why we didn't take him if Hughes was done giving Barron chances.

Good point about Fabbro. And it doesnt preclude the team from adding Carrier either, meaning the right side isn't a complete disaster anymore. There's been a number of puzzling moves from Hughes and Gorton this year.

 

[Goalfield13]

I can't believe we got an NHL player for Barron. Also, I was worried Hughes was stubborn with players he had a hand in acquiring. Good to see him cut Barron loose and not letting his ego get in the way.

 

[HabSgt]

So lets see, I am trapped behind enemy lines here in Leafland with no access to Habs games not to mention sporadic internet connection. Of course les boys win a game decisively, Laine gets a hat trick & a big trade is announced. Of f***ing course this all happens.
Merry Christmas you all, it will all be great as long as I am here. FOR YOU I SACRIFICE.

 

[MXD]

They said the same about Newhook. Did we bring this stud because he can play hockey or because he speaks the language? Good times, let's gather more 6-7 D Kent.

Clown take.

He's our best RHS D-Men. That doesn't mean much you'll tell me, but he's a least someone that makes sense to use on a second pair - compared to Barron - and the size downgrade from Barron is irrelevant, as Barron was scared to be scared.

 

[sampollock]

That Kovacevic love is insane

I don't get it