Value of: Alexander Nikishin

[ViD]

Huge difference in the speed a D man needs to process the play in the nhl playoffs compared to the KHL. When the game starts to slow down in his mind, so he can keep, then he will be fine. He will be a regular fixture on the Canes D next season.

He would be slotted on the third pair and play around 10-13 minutes. besides, he will bring the needed physical presence that the Canes are missing right now

 

[robbieberns]

This thread and premise complete makes sense and checks out to me, I am totally on board with this idea and agree that it’s time for him to move on and it will be mutually beneficial to all parties involved. Also, I got kicked in the head by a donkey yesterday leading me to suffer brain injuries so severe that doctors have described it as a historical new level of severe mental Pejorative Sluration.

 

[ViD]

The premise of completely idiotic.

Chatfield is injured so Morrow has played because they are RHD. Nikishin is taking over the 2nd pair LHD spot next year

Rod playing Kochetkov this game. Absolutely no reason not to play Nikishin to shuffle things up.

 

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Rod playing Kochetkov this game. Absolutely no reason not to play Nikishin to shuffle things up.

Sure he could do that and I don’t disagree with the idea but to make up some narrative about how there is a rift and a trade because of it is just silliness

 

[Chan790]

My favorite part is this being a "value of" thread and being on page 2 without anyone making an offer because everyone knows exactly what it'll cost their team.

He's going nowhere...but you should make offers anyway, for amusement sake.

 

[spockBokk]

The levels of moron it took to start this thread is staggering

 

[Zine]

Carolina Fans mid-season - “Corrupt SKA needs to release Nikishin immediately after they are eliminated! He’ll be an upgrade to our D-core come playoff time!”

Carolina fans now: “Don't be dumb, you can't just throw someone with little NHL experience straight into the playoffs! Nikishin doesn't even speak English!"

 

[Fatass]

Carolina Fans mid-season - “Corrupt SKA needs to release Nikishin immediately after they are eliminated! He’ll be an upgrade to our D-core come playoff time!”

Carolina fans now: “Don't be dumb, you can't just throw someone with little NHL experience straight into the playoffs! Nikishin doesn't even speak English!"

I’m guess there are some fans who don’t realize how fast nhl playoff games are played. There’s a huge jump up in speed of play from the KHL (or any league) to the nhl, let alone the nhl playoffs. The AHL playoffs are fast enough for a young D man to learn.

 

[majormajor]

I think Gavrikov arrived late and they still played him against Boston. Besides, I believe Nikishin is a much better player now than what Gavrikov was in 2019.

I remember comments wondering why Torts wasn't playing Gavrikov. Nutivaara and Murray were injured so Harrington and Kukan played every playoff game and Adam Clendening played most of them. That was a half AHL D group. And Nikishin might be better overall but Gavrikov defensively was ready to go, he was an excellent NHL defender on his first shift.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Again he's not even that young...23 with multiple seasons of pro-experience.

I'll tell you who the playoffs are too fast for: Scott Morrow (who is YOUNGER than Nikishin).

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I remember comments wondering why Torts wasn't playing Gavrikov. Nutivaara and Murray were injured so Harrington and Kukan played every playoff game and Adam Clendening played most of them. That was a half AHL D group. And Nikishin might be better overall but Gavrikov defensively was ready to go, he was an excellent NHL defender on his first shift.

...and people are using a Torts example to justify that a decision is "good"?

 

[majormajor]

...and people are using a Torts example to justify that a decision is "good"?

No, that it is what coaches normally do.

 

[ViD]

I remember comments wondering why Torts wasn't playing Gavrikov. Nutivaara and Murray were injured so Harrington and Kukan played every playoff game and Adam Clendening played most of them. That was a half AHL D group. And Nikishin might be better overall but Gavrikov defensively was ready to go, he was an excellent NHL defender on his first shift.

I mean Nikishin had a very solid debut minus one mistake that was saved by a coach challenge

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

No, that it is what coaches normally do.

In a league with myriad mediocre coaches, the normal precedent still does not inspire confidence, especially since it's a case-by-case basis.

 

[ViD]

Again he's not even that young...23 with multiple seasons of pro-experience.

I'll tell you who the playoffs are too fast for: Scott Morrow (who is YOUNGER than Nikishin).

Exactly, Nikishin just arrived after a hard fought play off as a #1D. He’s ready.

 

[majormajor]

In a league with myriad mediocre coaches, the normal precedent still does not inspire confidence, especially since it's a case-by-case basis.

It might not be smart for coaches to act that way with new players coming over, but keep in mind this thread is largely premised that there is a special problem between Nikishin and Rod. I don't think there is anything special about it.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

It might not be smart for coaches to act that way with new players coming over, but keep in mind this thread is largely premised that there is a special problem between Nikishin and Rod. I don't think there is anything special about it.

True, there's a difference between the explanation, and supporting the explanation.

 

[ViD]

It might not be smart for coaches to act that way with new players coming over, but keep in mind this thread is largely premised that there is a special problem between Nikishin and Rod. I don't think there is anything special about it.

I just genuinely see no other reason for these decisions. He is sitting Andersen who seemed to be non replaceable and yet he plays a young rookie who was bad in previous games over Nikishin that has a lot of pro experience in the play offs in the second best league

 

[majormajor]

I just genuinely see no other reason for these decisions. He is sitting Andersen who seemed to be non replaceable and yet he plays a young rookie who was bad in previous games over Nikishin that has a lot of pro experience in the play offs in the second best league

Getting players to reliably do what the system dictates is what the coach is concerned with, and Morrow has played 14 games already and had many more team practices. He's also an RD playing the right side.

You have enough of an explanation there, no need to make up stuff about the player/coach relationship.

 

[IsThatSemin]

If there was a problem and they looked to move him, what does an actual fair return look like? Hard to draw a comp, seems to be a ready to go NHL defenseman with a pretty high floor but with no NA track record. Have to imagine Carolina would only do a hockey trade.

 

[SnS]

Yeah. We’re not going to do this. The entire premise of this thread is quacked.(and I’m not even a Carolina fan)