Alexander Barkov vs. Auston Matthews

[Golden_Jet]

Edmonton is dependent on 1 line, Toronto not so much, they got goals from 3 lines last night

Draisitl doesn’t play with him, they did play on the PP the other night.
1 game sample nice.

 

[drktmplr12]

Are you really that daft that you don't see a difference between being elite on the PK vs ES, two entirely different states of the game? Additionally you don't think a guy who dominates play at ES where a vast majority of the game is played should be given full credit for his defensive play there and should automatically be excluded from any comparison to your prescious Barkov because they choose not to use him there when he's much more suited to dominate the other 98% of the game? Tough luck I guess.

where did i say any of that?

any case, I've said what I've wanted to. not trying to go tit for tat with the three of you replying to my posts.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Draisitl doesn’t play with him. 1 game sample nice.

Watch Leaf games they almost never depend on 1 line it's usually at least 2 going.

Last night it was 3

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We could use the defence but Matthews is too fun to pass up.

Matthews and Ehlers would be special

 

[Golden_Jet]

Watch Leaf games they almost never depend on 1 line it's usually at least 2 going.

Last night it was 3

Same as Edmonton this year, watch them as well.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Same as Edmonton this year, watch them as well.

I live in Alberta, I do watch them

If Mcdavid or Draisatil don't produce they usually don't win.

They have depended on 2 guys for several years hopefully Kane can help with that

 

[Golden_Jet]

I live in Alberta, I do watch them

If Mcdavid or Draisatil don't produce they usually don't win.

They have depended on 2 guys for several years hopefully Kane can help with that

Your point was they played together, they don’t.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Your point was they played together, they don’t.

The words "they play together." were never said

 

[Golden_Jet]

The words "they play together." were never said

Agree, it was worded they have 1 line scoring.

 

[pcruz]

Truth is that Barkov may not even be the best player in his own team.
I personally believe he is, but anyone arguing Huberdeau isn't automatically ignored.

 

[authentic]

28 goals - 49 points in his past 33 games. That's literally approaching 2010-11 Crosby levels with an elite defensive game on top, and while the league is higher scoring now Matthews goal scoring numbers are obviously far more sustainable in comparison.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Agree, it was worded they have 1 line scoring.

I guess so, what I should have said is they have 2 forwards, I know they don't usually play together.

Now that Kane is in they might have 3 forwards now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

28 goals - 49 points in his past 33 games. That's literally approaching 2010-11 Crosby levels with an elite defensive game on top, and while the league is higher scoring now Matthews goal scoring numbers are obviously far more sustainable in comparison.

Yeah I don't think Chris Krider is doing this again but Matthews can

 

[34]

Even the people who voted for Barkov here are not taking him over Matthews on their team. No f***ing way.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Yeah, no bias by Leafs fans. Never. LOL.

I guess it's just easier to point the finger at someone else

 

[Joe n]

Matthews will never be a better defensive player. Please watch a game.

That comment applies to you as well.

 

[jonu]

Leafs brigade in full force, dayshift has started for them it seems!

All this talk about "offensive gap > their defensive gap" when that offensive gap is like 6 points in the course of a season if even that, and that goes straight into margin of error. To top it off Matthews has had way better team around him than Barkov has until this season.

Glassthews hasn't even played a full season in the NHL yet.


I'd take Barkov over Matthews anyday.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You guys win. I can’t fight delusion. Mr. 4 second PK is the best. Once again proving why many people don’t respect analytics as the whole
Truth.

I got alot to read still but it seems like your trying to avoid giving an answer

 

[Joe n]

I disagree. Barkov can play with 3rd liners no problem. Edmonton, Toronto and Colorado have shown there isn't much success in playoffs when you are too dependent on two players / one line to produce.

As opposed to Florida's playoff success

 

[RapidKnight]

Matthews' defensive play has been slowly getting more and more over rated.

I think it's an attempt to make up for his lack of production compared to the top players in the league.

Last 3 years selke voting:

Barkov: 71 first place votes and a selke.

Matthews: 0 (edit: he has 1) first place votes and no selke.

Are we using awards to determine which player is better? If so the Hart and Rocket Richard are all heavily in Matthews’ favor.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Are we using awards to determine which player is better? If so the Hart and Rocket Richard are all heavily in Matthews’ favor.

What Hart?

 

[RapidKnight]

What Hart?

Edit: exactly.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Because I want the most valuable player on my team, I’m sure those experts know best.

Matthews has never won a Hart. Barkov has the Selke and Matthews the Rocket.

 

[RapidKnight]

Matthews has never won a Hart. Barkov has the Selke and Matthews the Rocket.

Vote totals. Barkov was never second in Hart trophy voting.

 

[pcruz]

Leafs brigade in full force, dayshift has started for them it seems!

All this talk about "offensive gap > their defensive gap" when that offensive gap is like 6 points in the course of a season if even that, and that goes straight into margin of error. To top it off Matthews has had way better team around him than Barkov has until this season.

Glassthews hasn't even played a full season in the NHL yet.


I'd take Barkov over Matthews anyday.

Ahh yes.
You know that when insulting players by changing their names into some sort of meme gives the argument +10 credibility.
However, since you brought it up, since Matthews entered the league (you know, seeing as Barkov is older and all that):

Points Leaders:

Pos	Name	GP	G	A	Pts	P/GP
1	McDavid	402	201	384	585	1.46
2	Draisaitl	410	209	298	507	1.24
3	Marchand	388	187	288	475	1.22
12	Matthews	373	228	174	402	1.08
16	Tavares	401	174	214	388	0.97
18	Barkov	372	150	236	386	1.04

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goals Leaders:

Pos	Name	GP	G	A	Pts	PPG	PPPts
1	Ovechkin	404	234	178	412	81	133
2	Matthews	373	228	174	402	57	111
3	Draisaitl	410	209	298	507	76	167
19	Barkov	372	150	236	386	41	111

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It's funny and ironic that Matthews has his health concerns brought up in a disparaging fashion while ignoring the time lost by Barkov.