Value of: Alex Vlasic in a trade

[Chainshot]

So JJ Peterka?

 

[EbonyRaptor]

So JJ Peterka?

Yes, I'd strongly consider Paterka - he's big enough, been in the league 3 years and improved each year and got 68 points in 77 games this year. He is RFA so he would need to be signed - but yeah, I think I could go for that.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’d be interested in Vlasic in San Jose but I’m not sure we have what Chicago would be looking for.

 

[Kevin Musto]

What could Alex Vlasic get the Blackhawks in a trade?

The Hawks have a lot of young left handed d-men with potential and NHL games under their belt (Vlasic, Korchinski, Kaiser, del Mastro, Allan) - but what they don't have at the NHL level are young top-6 wingers already established in the NHL. Is there a win-win trade out there to be found?

Vlasic details:

LD with very good skating, can skate the puck out, plays top PK.
23 years old (turns 24 in June)
6'6" / 217 lbs
179 NHL games in top-4 role (mostly top-pairing this past season)
7 goals / 42 assists = 49 points (offense improving with 4 goals / 26 assist = 30 points this past season)
Contract: $4.6M for 5 more years - UFA in 2030.

There's no way you're a Hawks fan

 

[shello]

Why not move Korchinski instead?

 

[EbonyRaptor]

There's no way you're a Hawks fan

You're right - I just spent 71 years pretending to be a Hawks fan so that one day I could post something on hfboards that Musto doesn't agree with and revoke my Hawks fanclub membership. I love when a plan comes together.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Why not move Korchinski instead?

Because Korchinski hasn't established himself as a bonafide top-4 dman and therefore teams would not willing to trade the type of player I want the Hawks to acquire. If Korchinski would get Paterka back in trade then I would trade Korchinski rather than Vlasic.

I think I already explained that in the original post ... but whatever.

 

[pth2]

You're right - I just spent 71 years pretending to be a Hawks fan so that one day I could post something on hfboards that Musto doesn't agree with and revoke my Hawks fanclub membership. I love when a plan comes together.

Are you looking at this a bit like dealing a valuable player from a position of strength, like Montreal moving Romanov for a 1st at the 2022 draft ? And you're looking at moving the most valuable thinking he'll get the best return ?

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Are you looking at this a bit like dealing a valuable player from a position of strength, like Montreal moving Romanov for a 1st at the 2022 draft ? And you're looking at moving the most valuable thinking he'll get the best return ?

Yes.

 

[Drumman44]

is this in a world where the Hawks draft first overall in 2025 and grab Schaefer?

 

[Mrfenn92]

There's no way you're a Hawks fan

You hated Vlasic so calm down

 

[majormajor]

Alex Vlasic is the exact sort of mobile shutdown guy the Jackets need.

But from the Hawks perspective I can't imagine them trading him if they're not getting Kent Johnson or Fantilli or Marchenko back. And we're not doing that. The next young forwards down like Voronkov or Chinakhov or Sillinger aren't what the Hawks need. I don't see how to make it happen.

Why not move Korchinski instead?

Not that they should trade Vlasic, but Korchinski doesn't return a topline forward, which is the purpose in the OP.

 

[pth2]

Alex Vlasic is the exact sort of mobile shutdown guy the Jackets need.

But from the Hawks perspective I can't imagine them trading him if they're not getting Kent Johnson or Fantilli or Marchenko back. And we're not doing that. The next young forwards down like Voronkov or Chinakhov or Sillinger aren't what the Hawks need. I don't see how to make it happen.



Not that they should trade Vlasic, but Korchinski doesn't return a topline forward, which is the purpose in the OP.

I'd think a team entering or in contention but with a weak blueline and a surplus of offensive forwards would be the best fit.

If Holloway had broken out in Edmonton that might have been a fit.

 

[LavalPhantom]

Yes.

But then you need a haul. You don’t consider trading him unless a team seriously overpays. So it’s an extremely unlikely scenario.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

But then you need a haul. You don’t consider trading him unless a team seriously overpays. So it’s an extremely unlikely scenario.

That depends on what you mean by "haul". I see this trade as a one for one - quality for quality trade - not a haul as in multiple players being exchanged. A previous comment mentioned Kent Johnson - that would work one for one.

 

[LavalPhantom]

That depends on what you mean by "haul". I see this trade as a one for one - quality for quality trade - not a haul as in multiple players being exchanged. A previous comment mentioned Kent Johnson - that would work one for one.

By haul I mean an overpay. A team that would call the Hawks because Vlasic is who they want specifically and they are willing to pay above the market price. Given Vlasic’s contract, I would not consider Kent Johnson an overpay.

Basically I’m trying to say that he is an untouchable unless someone makes an offer that you can’t refuse.

 

[MoneyManny]

is this in a world where the Hawks draft first overall in 2025 and grab Schaefer?

There's no way karma will allow the Hawks to receive another 1st overall pick unless it's a major bust.

 

[Hull2Roenick2Kane]

There's no way karma will allow the Hawks to receive another 1st overall pick unless it's a major bust.

unless karma dictates the Blackhawks cannot have a chance at McKenna.

 

[MoneyManny]

unless karma dictates the Blackhawks cannot have a chance at McKenna.

I already have 666 goats prepared for sacrifice to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

[Deputy McRizzy]

I understand and respect your opinion but the question of "why" is clearly spelled out in the original post.

If Korchinski or del Mastro or Allan or Kaiser could get the type of player needed to play with Bedard - I would have proposed one of them - but I don't believe any of them could return a player better than what we already have like Donato or Bertuzzi or Mikheyev. I'm shooting for a player like a Seth Jarvis or a Dylan Guenther.

Let's say the Hawks draft 3rd or 4th.... that pick + Viasic for Jarvis and Nikishin. Who says no? Probably Carolina I'd guess as I'd imagine they'd be looking for scoring more so than help on D.

But Orlov is a UFA after this season and their LD2, so maybe the entertain the idea?

 

[HawksDub89]

What could Alex Vlasic get the Blackhawks in a trade?

The Hawks have a lot of young left handed d-men with potential and NHL games under their belt (Vlasic, Korchinski, Kaiser, del Mastro, Allan) - but what they don't have at the NHL level are young top-6 wingers already established in the NHL. Is there a win-win trade out there to be found?

Vlasic details:

LD with very good skating, can skate the puck out, plays top PK.
23 years old (turns 24 in June)
6'6" / 217 lbs
179 NHL games in top-4 role (mostly top-pairing this past season)
7 goals / 42 assists = 49 points (offense improving with 4 goals / 26 assist = 30 points this past season)
Contract: $4.6M for 5 more years - UFA in 2030.

Vlasic isn’t getting moved lol.

Hes going to be wearing a letter and anchor the blue line for a decade.

A hawks fan suggesting this is even more ridiculous.

 

[matt trick]

After 1C, 1D, and 2C, I think the elite defensive dman might be the fourth most valuable player type you can have. If the hawks get Schaefer, I’m sure Vlasic would bring a much better forward than Korchinski, but you keep Vlasic at all costs.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yes, I'd strongly consider Paterka - he's big enough, been in the league 3 years and improved each year and got 68 points in 77 games this year. He is RFA so he would need to be signed - but yeah, I think I could go for that.

Trading Vlasic for JJ Peterka would be an awful move for the Hawks. There is no reason they should even consider trading Vlasic, no forward upgrade would be worth it.

He's a cornerstone defenseman. Drafts some more young forwards, or pick someone up in free agency. If Vlasic were ever actually traded, the return would be enormous. Teams would be falling over eachother trying to outbid the other.

 

[Chainshot]

Trading Vlasic for JJ Peterka would be an awful move for the Hawks. There is no reason they should even consider trading Vlasic, no forward upgrade would be worth it.

He's a cornerstone defenseman. Drafts some more young forwards, or pick someone up in free agency. If Vlasic were ever actually traded, the return would be enormous. Teams would be falling over eachother trying to outbid the other.

Hey, quiet you! We’re negotiating here. Lol.

 

[HFpapi]

Vlasic is very underrated.

As others have said, he's a 6'6" defensive stalwart who put up 49 points, is 23 years old and has a very team friendly deal for 5 more seasons.

His value is immense.

I think the caliber of young forward you'd have to be talking about to get him are guys like Matty Beniers, Mason McTavish, Kent Johnson types.

If you aren't prepared to move your young forward of that caliber then don't bother.